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Old April 22nd, 2003, 06:08 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rei Toei
@rahvin: i see this discussion started because of your misinterpretation of the term "protection". let's see if i can explain it better... with "protection" i was referring to the possibility, for the legitimate right owner, to ask the unauthorized user for royalties, moral or commercial damages, etc. i said that copyright protects every work even if the authors don't care because if they don't want their material to be protected by copyright they should state it clearly in written form.
"the practical ease of infringing on a copyright doesn't reduce the legal validity of the copyright" better now?
it's not that important, plus i only wish to be a thousand miles away from any discussion debating laws and their interpretation, but i don't really see a compliance between saying that the action can only be activated by the owner and saying - like you did - the protection works even if the owner doesn't know or care. if he doesn't care he's not going to activate his right and that's the end of it.
as for how easy it is to actually violate a copyright, it goes without saying that it doesn't decrease protection.

of course there's no copyright police or something, otherwise there weren't so many illegal sites on internet and of course it's very difficult to be caught and sued (by the right owners, yes) but this remote possibility still exists and everyone should be aware of it when planning to use copyrighted material for whatever purposes, even if they're non-commercial.
this was never argued. in fact, i even stated that it's not that hard to get caught. i also think there is a copyright police or something. they're probably dressed as pandas, or something.

as for freeware, unless i'm very much mistaken, you used that term to point out the method of distribution, whose rules apply to every "free" material you can find on the net, of course. however, strictly speaking (and to avoid further discussions with the many programmers who browse this online community), freeware is software that can be downloaded and used by anyone, free of charge, but although the software is made freely available it is not public domain, and the copyright remains with the original author unless otherwise stated by the author themselves. that is you're not allowed to modify/use it (in whole or in part) neither for distribution nor for commercial purposes plus you should always give proper credit to the author (usually they put some instructions in the readme files that should always come together with the software itself).
of course the copyright is still property of the author/owner. but you're allowed to modify it or distribute it for free, provided you do not make false claims about it (i.e., "i created this", or "ten thousand huns helped me sort through the code overnight"). this is why so many sites let you download small freeware software such as winuae and the likes by hosting the file themselves (i agree on the presence of "credit" information in the very files, btw).
as for "use it", i'm not sure what you mean... surely if it's distributed for free i can put it to its specific use...

hope i've been clearer, this time
anyway, for your copyright needs, here are some general info on this very tangled issue: (a bit old but very exhaustive) (basics and links)

and this is for finland only: (english version)
plus you might want to check this website for all your panda needs. it contains some general info on this very tangled issue.

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