[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Originally Posted by Necuratul

Really? Bullshit. If these people valued their own lives so much they wouldn't regularly engage in suicide bombings. It's quite a rash assumption to make to think that a culture surrounded by so much violent death as there would actually give a damn about capital punishment and think twice about doing something.



The only problem you're forgetting is that honor killing is not the only crime in the middle east, and there's rampant possibility to be had all around for innocent people being executed for those other crimes.




Why do you bother condemning the culture at all if you only mean to make it worse by adding more killing? The middle east doesn't need your kind of help. They need stabilization, not more stringent penalties on criminal activity. And the rationality of "my theory is not backwards because I've decided that things will never change" is completely fatalist and worthless.



DING DING DING, this was my fucking point. Thank you very much.



Actually it's not, for many reasons. I was demonstrating how honor killings are practiced in the modern Western setting, and I was also making a point against something else that I disagree with. It wasn't really meant to be a point of focus in the argument to begin with though.



Well if you looked at the context of the statement, I think it's decently clear that it was not necessarily a specific statement about this specific indident.



Bullshit.



Ad of course it has nothing to do with cultural, political, and economic repression that prevents people from actively speaking out against it. Just because you don't see many protests against the practice does not mean that most people there do not condemn the practice. And by "society" you mean "the elite who dictate their own principles on society." Don't mistake the reality for the potentiality. If the people had their way, most likely honor killing WOULD be condemned. It's obviously condemned somewhat, or else they wouldn't bother arresting people for the murders at all.



No, but I'm passionate on issues that involve unnecessary killing and general ignorance on the subject.



I don't know why you (and others) have continued to imply that I'm fine with the pathetic sentences these murderers have received for these honor killings. 6 months in jail for murdering your daughter is bullshit. They should be put in jail until they prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they would not do that again in the same situation. Which in practice will generally mean for life. It's a cultural mindset that is not easily distinguished, so these people will be locked away for the rest of their lives. Which would be a greater deterrent than the death penalty because an execution can be viewed as an honorable death or a martyrdom, which is what these people want. Dying of old age in a jail cell is shameful. I doubt that many Arabs would opt for that death.



It's not all that terribly hard to predict your feelings in a rational state regarding a situation. Of course there will be gut instincts, as displayed by the majority here in this thread, wishing harm upon the killer, that is a natural human impulse. But reason should override gut instinct. In a rational state, I would not wish death upon any man, regardless of what he has done, unless his life poses an imminent threat upon others. If anything, I think one should be able to choose between life imprisonment and the death penalty. I suppose I can't argue against somebody that WANTS to die.

I'll reply to your post tomorrow... was out all day and took a nap when i got home.. when i woke up had problems connecting to the internet for hours.. now it's late and have to wake up early tomorrow morning... so take a breather...