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Originally Posted by razoredge
Well we'll go back to nasty then
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I really don't think that I was being nasty.
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Originally Posted by razoredge
As far as I know phobia = fear ? Well bullshit then, some people are just grossed out... deal with it... they arent making it up.... it gives them the creeps... I guess they are the ones with the unnatural issues ?
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No, I fully understand that people have an adverse, physical reaction to this sort of thing. Tolerance is the key issue. You don't have to like it.
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Originally Posted by razoredge
Am I going to find a picture of a transexual Bonobo (which I never even heard of) or a Dolphin ? Didnt think so. Does this pertain to all species of animals and therefore should pertain to all species of men ?
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All I was saying is that you are convinced that something is 'wrong' with the development of transsexual people, and try to couch it in biological terms. We just plain can't base our morals on the animal kingdom. Bonobos, who share 97% of our DNA, masturbate their children to calm them down.
Because you're moralizing the behaviour as a wire getting crossed and the prejudice of others as a result of natural law, you feel comfortable with allowing prejudices as they exist and only combating the actual physical assault of these people. I don't think you'd have such an easy time justifying racism, although I'm sure a lot of racists would get a serious 'grossed-out' feeling watching a black man have sex with a white woman.
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Originally Posted by razoredge
So you deny what motivates stimulation in animals ? You feel one is just born and decides he/she only wants to have sex with the same kind ? dayly ?
In humans are you going to confuse or tie sexual perversion in with biological faults ?
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Of course not, what I object to is the biological or social differences being moralized when they are actually harmless.
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Originally Posted by razoredge
Did the Greek men get married ? Commit to each other for life ? Or just get freaking horney ?
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No, it was complicated. Normally an older man would have a boy who he sort of apprenticed, while also getting sexual favours. I find it repugnant, but as I said you can't view the past properly if you moralize it.
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Strays from the norm are not why we exist, dont give me the single cell thing. Man and the same animals have been around for thousands of years long after the first cell. Are you trying to tell me that nature is currently trying to create a breed of same sex humans ? A breed of down syndrome children or name any of the other hundreds of development faults.
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I specifically said that this is not the case. Nature doesn't 'try' to do anything. Imparting morals and goals onto nature itself is my main problem with what you're saying.
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I was raised "religious" as in went to church and said now I lay me down to sleep for a breif period but my family was far from a religious extreme. they certainly never made me say "now I lay me down to sleep... but never with a man" I personally havent been religious since I was ? 12 14 ? but never did I hear anything about not supposed to have same sex-sex or anything about sex for that matter... in fact I had my eyes all over girls long before I even knew why, then when I did hear about sex with girls I had still not heard about same sex-sex ? Are you trying to tell me I should have been educated in the possibilities first ? Should have researched surveys, studies of monkeys and fruit flys and indulged the scientific community for my sex ed ? Thus left wonder why I didnt have my eyes all over the boys as well ?
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Of course not. You can't use your own experience to judge all other people though, let alone the animal kingdom. Do you think that homosexuality is a choice or not, I can't tell.
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I would propose I came by my sexuality alot more naturally than is allowed today and I propose that is also how the human race survived and found its sexualality all these millenniums... and without doctors and hospitols to patch us up and the scientific community and special interests groups to keep our heads straight.... its a complete miracle, imagine that.
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Yes, and throughout that time the life expectancy was perhaps 25 years old, and about a quarter of people died violently. You're right, we live in a different world. We evolved in the savannahs of Africa, and we bear the stamp of our lowly origin. That's precisely why education is so important. Nobody's trying to stop kids from coming by their sexuality naturally except possibly religiously motivated schools.