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In some reading on utilitarianism today I came across a few points relevant to our discussion. I have in some sense accused you of what Dennett terms 'greedy reductionism' - that by looking to underlying factors you in effect explain away what is being explained. I now quite strongly want to see 'values' as ends in themselves, and 'satisfaction in relation to x value' as the designation that the end has been or will be, at least partially fulfilled. I don't think satisfaction can exist independently, it is always 'the satisfaction *of* something'. Pretty much the paradox of hedonism, I think.
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