Amon Amarth Necklace - Page 2

Metagodl · February 2nd, 2008, 12:01 AM

i actually found a nice one made of pewter from a local fair, me and my sister were shocked to see one in such a place.

Celtik Militia · February 2nd, 2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bates

I'm not a pagan, that's those silly Wiccan folk.

I'm a damn heathen!
But really, I do see your point, but people are going to do what they are going to do and I don't feel the need to get worked up over it. In my eyes, someone who wears it because of AA will at least treat it with respect, and that's good enough for me.

Well I think its cool that metal bands "influence" their fans into Odinism and stuff.
But these guys who wear Mjolnirs without knowing its a symbol for Thor's hammer... it doesn't bother me really... I just find it quite ridiculous.
Once this guy was wearing one and I said "nice Mjolnir".. he answered "what?" and i discovered that he had no idea what that pendant was. Sure he wore it cause he thought it looked nice but geese... some people are just ignorant... I know guys who aren't heathen at all, nor are they into metal, yet they know what a mjolnir pendant is.
No "true BMer" mentality here, I'd just prefer seeing a fucking nazi wearing one who actually knows what it is than a guy who wears it in total ignorance.

And about the non-historic hammers. I think its fine and even recommendable to wear a more modern mjolnir. Art evolves, we don't live a thousand years ago anymore. We don't wear medieval tunics, so its fine to wear stylised modern hammers (not critisizing those who wear historic mjolnirs here... i'm all for it too, just saying that modern ones are just as "real", they represent the same thing).

Bill S. · February 4th, 2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Celtik Militia

And about the non-historic hammers. I think its fine and even recommendable to wear a more modern mjolnir. Art evolves, we don't live a thousand years ago anymore. We don't wear medieval tunics, so its fine to wear stylised modern hammers (not critisizing those who wear historic mjolnirs here... i'm all for it too, just saying that modern ones are just as "real", they represent the same thing).

Well said, and damn good point.

HaloSlayer · February 5th, 2008, 08:53 AM

Ok, I'm beginning to believe I have made a mistake. Is this a site for the band or some religion? I like Amon Amarth music but I am certainly not dedicating myself to some cult. I went to an Amon Amarth concert at Jax in Virginia. It seemed to be a normal metal show. What does making an oath go Odin mean? I remember wearing slave bracelets and crooked crosses in the 90s like most metal heads. But none of us were going home and chanting and such. I think it is more of a poser mentality (or perhaps follower mentality is a better term) to wear something because some cult tells you to. Wear what you like. If you want to have a hammer hanging around your neck then do it. I personally don't care to wear any jewelry but that is me. I love how kids today go and buy some book at an incense shop and then declares everyone else who might have similar jewelry or clothing as posers.

Phelice · February 5th, 2008, 09:39 AM

1. It is a band forum, yes
2. Have you listened to the lyrics? Find out, what they are about

3. Amon Amarth concerts are nothing like a "normal show"! Although I have never been to one myself which I regret, they are something special. Anyone here can confirm that

4. Making an oath to Odin means like if you become a Christian (I think it is better to say it that way, so you understand) and you say this stuff about giving your life to their God and blah, and christians use to wear crosses, and also those have become fashion, as well as some fashion kids do now think wearing Mjölna is looking "cool". But theres more to that than just being cool, think of it like wearing Mjölna = saying you belong to Odin, to say it in a easy way.
5. People who wear stuff just because it is fahion (or because everybody else has one) ARE posers in my eyes. No matter if is is a cross or Thor's Hammer or anything else.
I wouldn't say that those people are insulting those who wear stuff because they know what it means, but I feel like being contempted by those fashion kids.

If you don't believe in Thor, don't wear his Hammer, for any other bloody reason than what it is made for!

HaloSlayer · February 5th, 2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Phelice

1. It is a band forum, yes
2. Have you listened to the lyrics? Find out, what they are about

3. Amon Amarth concerts are nothing like a "normal show"! Although I have never been to one myself which I regret, they are something special. Anyone here can confirm that

4. Making an oath to Odin means like if you become a Christian (I think it is better to say it that way, so you understand) and you say this stuff about giving your life to their God and blah, and christians use to wear crosses, and also those have become fashion, as well as some fashion kids do now think wearing Mjölna is looking "cool". But theres more to that than just being cool, think of it like wearing Mjölna = saying you belong to Odin, to say it in a easy way.
5. People who wear stuff just because it is fahion (or because everybody else has one) ARE posers in my eyes. No matter if is is a cross or Thor's Hammer or anything else.
I wouldn't say that those people are insulting those who wear stuff because they know what it means, but I feel like being contempted by those fashion kids.

If you don't believe in Thor, don't wear his Hammer, for any other bloody reason than what it is made for!

Ok I will respect your view but I have a tee-shirt from Bush Gardens with a picture of the Big Bad Wolf. I don't believe in the Big Bad Wolf but I would still like to wear the tee-shirt, with your permission of course.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most articles of jewelry have their roots in some faith or another. Crosses, hammers, suns, moon, stars, green clovers, purple horse shoes, rainbow....whoops. Sorry I was thinking of Lucky Charms. But my point is all ornaments probably mean something to someone. I don't think you have to make an oath to a fifteen hundred year old fairy tale in order to wear a necklace.

As for the rest of your post. I have been to an Amon Amarth show. It was a great show except for one of the opening bands (Sonic Syndicate) sucked so bad that I almost wanted to leave. And I also know the words to the songs. That is one of the reasons I love Amon Amarth so much is they are one of the few metal bands of this style that I can understand the words. I know they are mostly about Norse epic battles and myths. I can completely enjoy all of the songs without believing in Odin. Much the same way I can enjoy World of Warcraft without believing in elfs.

So have hard core pagans protested the game Halo because of the armor being named after Thor's Hammer? Just wondering.

Heartless_Bastard · February 5th, 2008, 02:01 PM

Yeah I agree with that statement, HaloSlayer. I believe everybody is entitled to wear whatever form of clothing or jewelry they want. If you happen to believe in the God/Goddess's the item resembles that's your prerogative. As it is to people who don't follow the same beliefs or views. Everybody's entitled to their own fate and/or destiny.

False Joe · February 5th, 2008, 02:20 PM

Personally I think it's silly to wear something, the very point of which is all about Norse mythology and Odin and the such, and not a fucking idea what it's about.

Heartless_Bastard · February 5th, 2008, 02:29 PM

You should keep in mind, the whole purpose of people wearing anything at all is for appearance. Many people wont bother questioning where the "hammer pendant" came from, as such nobody will think to themselves "Where did the shirt come from?" or "Where did the idea of a cross come from?". People figure, hell if it looks good on me, I'll wear it. If you actually know the meaning behind everything you're wearing right now, consider it a bonus.

False Joe · February 5th, 2008, 02:40 PM

I'm wearing some trousers, some socks, a plain shirt and a t-shirt for a band I like.

Not too much to know.

Heartless_Bastard · February 5th, 2008, 02:51 PM

What I meant was, who came up with the idea of wearing pants? Or shirts? There's really no answer to the questions, so somebody wearing a hammer-like pendant and not knowing its origin or meaning behind it, isn't doing anything wrong. It's all fashion afterall.

EDIT: And also, lets say I believe in Odin and all the Viking mythology, but I don't wear a Mjolnir - that doesn't mean I don't believe in Odin. Same with people who do wear Mjolnir's but don't know what it really represents.

HaloSlayer · February 6th, 2008, 10:03 AM

But the band Amon Amarth did not even start out as a Viking/Norse Mythology band. I remember back in the 80s (whey they were Scum) they were completely different. Plus I don't believe the name Amon Amarth has anything to do with Norse Mythology. I believe it is the name of a mountain in a Lord of the Rings book. If anything the name Amon has more to do with Egyptian Mythology since Amon is thought to be the father of Horus (if I remember correctly). If I am not mistaken, Alexander the Great went to Egypt to the Oracle at the temple of Amon and was told he was a son of Amon. This is where began his belief that he was to become a god.

The House of Amon is what King Diamond called the house in which his grandmother would talk to the demons.

These are the only referrences I know of to the name Amon.

So I'm not sure the band itself has taken an oath to Odin. If they had, wouldn't they name themselves appropriately?

Phelice · February 6th, 2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Heartless_Bastard

It's all fashion afterall.

Finally somebody understood what I meant.
I also don't wear Thor's Hammer, but that doesn't make me less a believer.

And to HaloSlayer: Don't take this too personal, but you should keep reading what I wrote. And what some others here wrote.

Metagodl · February 6th, 2008, 02:46 PM

HaloSlayer, i found everything you typed rude and disrespectful towards me, and probably other pagans.

Swabs · February 6th, 2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Metagodl

HaloSlayer, i found everything you typed rude and disrespectful towards me, and probably other pagans.

Well you shouldnt. You're starting to sound like a Christian.

Metagodl · February 6th, 2008, 04:03 PM

i dont see how, hes making smart-ass remarks which i find disrespectful.

HaloSlayer · February 6th, 2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Metagodl

HaloSlayer, i found everything you typed rude and disrespectful towards me, and probably other pagans.

Wow! Everything? Can you narrow your blanket of distaste and perhaps offer a reason for the offense you find in my remarks?

I have not found any insults towards pagans in my previous posts.

HaloSlayer · February 6th, 2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phelice

Finally somebody understood what I meant.
I also don't wear Thor's Hammer, but that doesn't make me less a believer.

And to HaloSlayer: Don't take this too personal, but you should keep reading what I wrote. And what some others here wrote.

I read everything you wrote in this thread. I thought I responded to all your points. If there is one you wish me to address, please requote it.

My real point is this: There are too many things in this would you have to do, pay taxes, work and the such. I don't see any reason to dictate what people should or should not be wearing.

For the record my son likes the necklace and I am going to buy him one when he brings home good grades on his report card next week. I don't expect him to take an oath to me or anyone else.

Swabs · February 6th, 2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Metagodl

i dont see how, hes making smart-ass remarks which i find disrespectful.

No, he's disagreeing with you and using examples. And you can't take it.

Vilewoman · February 6th, 2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaloSlayer

But the band Amon Amarth did not even start out as a Viking/Norse Mythology band. I remember back in the 80s (whey they were Scum) they were completely different. Plus I don't believe the name Amon Amarth has anything to do with Norse Mythology. I believe it is the name of a mountain in a Lord of the Rings book. If anything the name Amon has more to do with Egyptian Mythology since Amon is thought to be the father of Horus (if I remember correctly). If I am not mistaken, Alexander the Great went to Egypt to the Oracle at the temple of Amon and was told he was a son of Amon. This is where began his belief that he was to become a god.

The House of Amon is what King Diamond called the house in which his grandmother would talk to the demons.

These are the only referrences I know of to the name Amon.

So I'm not sure the band itself has taken an oath to Odin. If they had, wouldn't they name themselves appropriately?

Horus is believed to be the son of Isis and Osiris. (others have put him as the son of Hathor and Nut, and Amon-Ra). Alexander when to the temple of Amon-Ra. Romans linked Amon-Ra (Amon-Ra is the sun-god) to Zeus. Alexander believed himself to be the son (others say reincarnation) of Zeus himself. Many kings of the time believed themselves to be sons of gods.

Metagodl · February 6th, 2008, 05:50 PM

no, i didnt say anything, i wasnt really in this thread when he came along.
i came back a read something on a different topic, and he popped up and started making remarks, im not making excuses, but thats what i saw that happened.

i was exaggerating when i said everything, there are alot of things that HaloSlayer had said that i agree with... and some things i dont.
He is, without a fact, talking without knowing much, but thats ok, i do it a lot too, he is just using the knowledge he has, and predicting things, again, i do that too. All i said is that i found some of what he said
disrespectful, i didnt mean to cause all this ruckus, he also has an attitude with a lot of things, or maybe its just me.
it was a just a plain statement, there was no need for all of this.

Bates · February 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM

To answer earlier questions, and skip a bit on the bitching to and fro... Yes, it's a band forum, but there's a sizeable chunk of folk of the heathen persuasion who are fans of the band. The guys in the band, well, no idea, never asked. They play good music and tell stories I like. Some people are a bit sensitive about their beliefs. I can understand that, a lot of stupid bullshit has been spread over a very long time. Obviously, I myself am on the laid back tip. While there might be some wrong ways to go about things, there's also a whole lot of right ways, and a man's relationship with the gods is his own business.

But as an aside, I don't think of a Mjollner as any kind of oath to the fetters. A lot of people who follow the old ways use it is a token of faith, analogous to the Christian cross, but it's in no way "Like a cross, only for heathens." Looking at it from a mythological/historical perspective, it's mostly worn as an appeal to Þor for protection, which isn't likely to do anyone any harm, unless perhaps they're an oathbreaker. I wore one I had been given for years before I had given any thought to the matter, and I'm not hypocritcal enough to give someone else shit for doing the same thing.

amon666 · February 6th, 2008, 06:43 PM

well i kinda agree with haloslayer, i even remember that johan said in an interview that amon amarth means mountin of doom, but if u want more details or stories ask a toklins fan, and i think the band isnt really pagan (or werent in the begining) maybe only johan whos really intrested about viking and history, and the rest kinda grow inside of them with time,

PS: dont quote me, thats what i think, and thats what i heard, again dont quote me, espically u phelice haha

Bates · February 6th, 2008, 08:10 PM

Ya, Amon Amarth means 'Mountain of Doom' (in the old sense of 'doom', meaning fate) in Sindarin (one of Tolkein's languages). On the flipside, most of Tolkein's stuff was based off of Norse and Finnish mythology. Even Gandalf is supposed to be a kinder, gentler Allfather.

I know way too much about too many mostly useless things.

Metagodl · February 6th, 2008, 08:20 PM

I agree with you Bates.
i apologize for being so...ignorant.
like Bates, said, i am sensitive about my beliefs and i should of taken other peoples perspectives before i starting judging, flaming, or disrespecting everyones thoughts.

i do realize now, that it isnt really a problem for non-pagans or heathens to wear Mjollnir. i understand where you guys are coming from, and again, i apologize for be so close-minded and ignorant to other peoples thoughts. i now believe that it doesnt matter if you pagan or not, you can wear one, and no oaths are made. i apologize and take back everything, negative and disrespectful that i said.

February 5th, 2008, 02:01 PM	#32 (permalink)
Heartless_Bastard A Fury Divine Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 14	Yeah I agree with that statement, HaloSlayer. I believe everybody is entitled to wear whatever form of clothing or jewelry they want. If you happen to believe in the God/Goddess's the item resembles that's your prerogative. As it is to people who don't follow the same beliefs or views. Everybody's entitled to their own fate and/or destiny. __________________ Now they're headed home. Five swordsmen who fought repentlessly. Their story will be told. Of five brave men endlessly.

February 5th, 2008, 02:20 PM	#33 (permalink)
False Joe Who cares. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sheep fucking land somewhere. Posts: 7,561	Personally I think it's silly to wear something, the very point of which is all about Norse mythology and Odin and the such, and not a fucking idea what it's about. __________________

February 5th, 2008, 02:29 PM	#34 (permalink)
Heartless_Bastard A Fury Divine Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 14	You should keep in mind, the whole purpose of people wearing anything at all is for appearance. Many people wont bother questioning where the "hammer pendant" came from, as such nobody will think to themselves "Where did the shirt come from?" or "Where did the idea of a cross come from?". People figure, hell if it looks good on me, I'll wear it. If you actually know the meaning behind everything you're wearing right now, consider it a bonus. __________________ Now they're headed home. Five swordsmen who fought repentlessly. Their story will be told. Of five brave men endlessly.

February 5th, 2008, 02:40 PM	#35 (permalink)
False Joe Who cares. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sheep fucking land somewhere. Posts: 7,561	I'm wearing some trousers, some socks, a plain shirt and a t-shirt for a band I like. Not too much to know. __________________

February 5th, 2008, 02:51 PM	#36 (permalink)
Heartless_Bastard A Fury Divine Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 14	What I meant was, who came up with the idea of wearing pants? Or shirts? There's really no answer to the questions, so somebody wearing a hammer-like pendant and not knowing its origin or meaning behind it, isn't doing anything wrong. It's all fashion afterall. EDIT: And also, lets say I believe in Odin and all the Viking mythology, but I don't wear a Mjolnir - that doesn't mean I don't believe in Odin. Same with people who do wear Mjolnir's but don't know what it really represents. __________________ Now they're headed home. Five swordsmen who fought repentlessly. Their story will be told. Of five brave men endlessly. Last edited by Heartless_Bastard : February 5th, 2008 at 02:54 PM.

February 2nd, 2008, 12:01 AM	#26 (permalink)
Metagodl Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	i actually found a nice one made of pewter from a local fair, me and my sister were shocked to see one in such a place.

February 5th, 2008, 08:53 AM	#29 (permalink)
HaloSlayer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pasadena Maryland USA Posts: 154	Ok, I'm beginning to believe I have made a mistake. Is this a site for the band or some religion? I like Amon Amarth music but I am certainly not dedicating myself to some cult. I went to an Amon Amarth concert at Jax in Virginia. It seemed to be a normal metal show. What does making an oath go Odin mean? I remember wearing slave bracelets and crooked crosses in the 90s like most metal heads. But none of us were going home and chanting and such. I think it is more of a poser mentality (or perhaps follower mentality is a better term) to wear something because some cult tells you to. Wear what you like. If you want to have a hammer hanging around your neck then do it. I personally don't care to wear any jewelry but that is me. I love how kids today go and buy some book at an incense shop and then declares everyone else who might have similar jewelry or clothing as posers.

February 6th, 2008, 10:03 AM	#37 (permalink)
HaloSlayer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pasadena Maryland USA Posts: 154	But the band Amon Amarth did not even start out as a Viking/Norse Mythology band. I remember back in the 80s (whey they were Scum) they were completely different. Plus I don't believe the name Amon Amarth has anything to do with Norse Mythology. I believe it is the name of a mountain in a Lord of the Rings book. If anything the name Amon has more to do with Egyptian Mythology since Amon is thought to be the father of Horus (if I remember correctly). If I am not mistaken, Alexander the Great went to Egypt to the Oracle at the temple of Amon and was told he was a son of Amon. This is where began his belief that he was to become a god. The House of Amon is what King Diamond called the house in which his grandmother would talk to the demons. These are the only referrences I know of to the name Amon. So I'm not sure the band itself has taken an oath to Odin. If they had, wouldn't they name themselves appropriately? Last edited by HaloSlayer : February 6th, 2008 at 10:07 AM.

February 6th, 2008, 02:46 PM	#39 (permalink)
Metagodl Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	HaloSlayer, i found everything you typed rude and disrespectful towards me, and probably other pagans.

February 6th, 2008, 04:03 PM	#41 (permalink)
Metagodl Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	i dont see how, hes making smart-ass remarks which i find disrespectful.

February 6th, 2008, 05:50 PM	#46 (permalink)
Metagodl Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	no, i didnt say anything, i wasnt really in this thread when he came along. i came back a read something on a different topic, and he popped up and started making remarks, im not making excuses, but thats what i saw that happened. i was exaggerating when i said everything, there are alot of things that HaloSlayer had said that i agree with... and some things i dont. He is, without a fact, talking without knowing much, but thats ok, i do it a lot too, he is just using the knowledge he has, and predicting things, again, i do that too. All i said is that i found some of what he said disrespectful, i didnt mean to cause all this ruckus, he also has an attitude with a lot of things, or maybe its just me. it was a just a plain statement, there was no need for all of this.

February 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM	#47 (permalink)
Bates Swamp Yankee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deerfield, NH Posts: 1,496	To answer earlier questions, and skip a bit on the bitching to and fro... Yes, it's a band forum, but there's a sizeable chunk of folk of the heathen persuasion who are fans of the band. The guys in the band, well, no idea, never asked. They play good music and tell stories I like. Some people are a bit sensitive about their beliefs. I can understand that, a lot of stupid bullshit has been spread over a very long time. Obviously, I myself am on the laid back tip. While there might be some wrong ways to go about things, there's also a whole lot of right ways, and a man's relationship with the gods is his own business. But as an aside, I don't think of a Mjollner as any kind of oath to the fetters. A lot of people who follow the old ways use it is a token of faith, analogous to the Christian cross, but it's in no way "Like a cross, only for heathens." Looking at it from a mythological/historical perspective, it's mostly worn as an appeal to Þor for protection, which isn't likely to do anyone any harm, unless perhaps they're an oathbreaker. I wore one I had been given for years before I had given any thought to the matter, and I'm not hypocritcal enough to give someone else shit for doing the same thing. __________________ Other theories claim that Swamp Yankees were the undesirable, troublemaking New Englanders who moved to the "swamps" of southeastern New England upon arriving in the New World in the 1600s. We are brothers of the north, we all share in the Allfather's blood

February 6th, 2008, 08:10 PM	#49 (permalink)
Bates Swamp Yankee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deerfield, NH Posts: 1,496	Ya, Amon Amarth means 'Mountain of Doom' (in the old sense of 'doom', meaning fate) in Sindarin (one of Tolkein's languages). On the flipside, most of Tolkein's stuff was based off of Norse and Finnish mythology. Even Gandalf is supposed to be a kinder, gentler Allfather. I know way too much about too many mostly useless things. __________________ Other theories claim that Swamp Yankees were the undesirable, troublemaking New Englanders who moved to the "swamps" of southeastern New England upon arriving in the New World in the 1600s. We are brothers of the north, we all share in the Allfather's blood

February 6th, 2008, 08:20 PM	#50 (permalink)
Metagodl Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 10	I agree with you Bates. i apologize for being so...ignorant. like Bates, said, i am sensitive about my beliefs and i should of taken other peoples perspectives before i starting judging, flaming, or disrespecting everyones thoughts. i do realize now, that it isnt really a problem for non-pagans or heathens to wear Mjollnir. i understand where you guys are coming from, and again, i apologize for be so close-minded and ignorant to other peoples thoughts. i now believe that it doesnt matter if you pagan or not, you can wear one, and no oaths are made. i apologize and take back everything, negative and disrespectful that i said.