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Old November 3rd, 2005, 06:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Greatest Metal Guitar Mic on the planet !

damnit.....after hearing recorded guitars on albums like

It Dies Today
Bleed the Sky
Sevendust (seasons)
Unearth
Kill Switch
Caliban
Disturbed (new album)

just wondering what the hell everyone is recording with as far as mics ?

md421 ?
e609 ?
sm57 ?
radio shack ?

what's the deal the great studios are using ?
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 06:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Jesus christ...search function please.
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 06:49 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jesus christ...search function please.
no need to be a bastard about it !
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 07:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Besides, this topic has never REALLY been covered... the only real topics have been the SM57 vs the i5... NONE of the other mics have really been discussed.

FWIW, Meshuggah has used a Neumann TLM193 on a few of their records.. but that's WAY more $$$ than the simple dynamics listed above... so, discuss that.

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Old November 3rd, 2005, 07:41 PM   #5 (permalink)
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FWIW, Meshuggah has used a Neumann TLM193
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Yea....I never really liked mushuggah's sound......It always sounded like the guitars where recorded in a 55 gal. drum.

I know alot of plp prefer the md421. I just wonder if that is what alot of these bands (that I listed) are using ?

And if so, are they drastically changing the E.Q. curve in the computer later?
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 07:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Meshuggah to me always sounded like they're playing tanks with strings. very metallic heavy clear... pretty cool but not for me.

Anyway more on topic, I think alot of the sound comes from things besides the mic. I thought the new disturbed sound was a little weak personally but whatever.

I hear Two Shure SM-57's were used on DHIADW and that's a lovely guitar tone right there. (I might not be right about this though)
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 10:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i can't tell whether you are asking a very subjective question: "which mic does everyone THINK is the best for metal?" or whether you just want to know the historical answer to, "what mic has been used most to achieve the best guitar tones on all the best sounding metal albums over the years?". the latter could arguably be the ubiquitous sm57.
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 11:56 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I prefer the Royer 122 with a really fast pre like the Avalon 2022. Second choice, an SM57 through a Neve pre. Third choice, an MD421 through a Neve pre. Fourth choice, POD XT.
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Old November 4th, 2005, 12:03 AM   #9 (permalink)
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i can't tell whether you are asking a very subjective question: "which mic does everyone THINK is the best for metal?" or whether you just want to know the historical answer to, "what mic has been used most to achieve the best guitar tones on all the best sounding metal albums over the years?". the latter could arguably be the ubiquitous sm57.
Just curious, what do you personally think is the best?
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Old November 4th, 2005, 03:58 AM   #10 (permalink)
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This is a long shot, but here's a pic of Carnal Forge recording please..die at Studio Underground..



What type of mics might those be? TLM103 look kinda like that, but I guess many do ...heh
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Old November 4th, 2005, 10:00 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This is a long shot, but here's a pic of Carnal Forge recording please..die at Studio Underground..



What type of mics might those be? TLM103 look kinda like that, but I guess many do ...heh
If the picture doesn't work for you (it didn't for me) try going to http://hem.passagen.se/cf01/0106_rec..._studio_01.jpg
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Old November 4th, 2005, 10:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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the historical answer to, "what mic has been used most to achieve the best guitar tones on all the best sounding metal albums over the years?". the latter could arguably be the ubiquitous sm57.
I'm constantly baffled how professionals get this, yet so many hobbyists like myself (but, myself excluded) will argue to the death that the 57 is a piece of junk. I absolutely love that mic, and while I like multi (usually 2) mic recording, the 57 is a fantastic, and incredibly affordable, proven to be effective solution.
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Old November 4th, 2005, 10:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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No such as "best mic" really. Different combinations will give you different results. I'm talking about: Guitar, amp, cab, microphone, microphone pre-amp, A/D converters etc.

The 57 does a really good job for a lot of things and is very cheap - extremely durable. Not the kind of mic I would use for a Gretch guitar through a Vox AC30.

The Royer R-121 ribbon microphone is excellent for guitar cabs. Particularly the 48V version which saves all the impedance matching business and has higher gain.

I Recommend you to try one the royer.

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Old November 4th, 2005, 11:12 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have to disagree on the Royer, I really gave it a good shot but the good ol 57 never left the room.
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Old November 4th, 2005, 12:05 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I have to disagree on the Royer, I really gave it a good shot but the good ol 57 never left the room.
Didn't you leave the creator of the Royer ribbon mic confused or something when you told him that his stuff was not so great?
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Old November 4th, 2005, 12:14 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I have to disagree on the Royer, I really gave it a good shot but the good ol 57 never left the room.

How about the Coles 3048? I haven't used it but I want to...

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Old November 4th, 2005, 12:43 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I have to disagree on the Royer, I really gave it a good shot but the good ol 57 never left the room.
What pre did you use with it? I really like the sound of the Royer when I use it with the Avalon preamp, but with the Neve it sounds flat and lifeless.

Check out Division's track "Paradise Lost", on their mysapce page. I did the recording and the guitars are Royer 122 with the Avalon 2022 preamp. The other tracks on their myspace page I did with a 57 and a 421 through a Neve pre: http://www.myspace.com/divisionusa
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Old November 4th, 2005, 01:23 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I had a Royer for awhile but sold it. I liked the smoothness but it was so dark I always had to EQ it quite a bit. Finally I realized there's no point in keeping a $1K mic around that I constantly have to EQ to sound more like an $89 mic.

In all fairness though, I'm sure my room had a lot to do with it since the
Royer is figure-8. Those of us with less-than-perfect spaces benefit more from the rejection of a 57-type mic...at least in my experience. I used it with a Great River MP-2NV.
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Old November 4th, 2005, 02:51 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Matt S - did you have the 121 or 122? The Great River is based on a Neve design, and is probably a bit "darker" sounding preamp, with which the Royers do not work well, IMO.
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Old November 6th, 2005, 07:03 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Too bad I didnt read this thread before i went to visit Pelle this weekend when we gigged i västerås. However, it seems tyo be the same setup there as I used when we recorded The Arrival up there.

As I remember it it's an ancient Sennheiser microphone and he's got a couple of them for guitar and bass tracking.
Could be wrong though since it's been a couple of years since i was there.

He's rescently started using 5150's along with his Savage btw... We're talking killer guitartone there!

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This is a long shot, but here's a pic of Carnal Forge recording please..die at Studio Underground..



What type of mics might those be? TLM103 look kinda like that, but I guess many do ...heh
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Old February 15th, 2006, 03:18 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Sorry to warm this thread up.

When I first tried the Royer compared to a 57 I thought what's this muddy bass boom shit? Then I discovered that if you put it around 10-15 cm back from the speaker (which reduces the boomy bass) and use the backside of the mic, it makes it quite cool. It's never as "detailed" as a 57 and does not have the same attack, but it has makes the track really fat and somehow natural, which is good for "wall of sound" things and not so good for fast riffing.

So it's a great, completely different sounding alternative to the 57.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 03:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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How about the Coles 3048? I haven't used it but I want to...
im not sure the 3048 can take a loud guitar cab(close miked). i dont think they can take as high spls or as much actual moving air as a royer.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 06:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Oh and by the way, I know the i5 is the hot new item around these parts, but I have to say that after a lot of testing I still prefer the 57. I do dig the i5, but sometimes the high end on it can be a bit much with certain amps. Just my (probably unpopular) opinion.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 07:55 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm in agreement with you Matt. The i5 is totally cool, but it can get pretty bright, and I'm digging the dual 57 on/off axis thing right now.

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Old February 15th, 2006, 07:56 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I agree about the i5 Matt. From what I've heard, I'd still be using the 57 over it. I would love to hear some more samples of it in different applications though, and hopefully at some time try one myself.

Having said that, I LOVE the sounds that Meshuggah used to pull with the Neumann TLM193. I'd love to get into more experimentation using more expensive mics than just 57s, because I'm getting a bit sick of their sound. They seem to be a very safe option and everyone is using them these days, so I think it's good to change things around a bit.

Tesseract seem to have had some nice success when using a U87 in conjunction with a Powerball. So I'm just gonna try shoving everything in front of a cab and see what comes out my personal favourite.
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