Obsolete Guitar Sound

::XeS:: · March 24th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Hi
I know Dino Cazares used a modded marshall jcm800 in Demanufacture and a Line6 in Digimortal.
But which amp did he use for Obsolete?

kaomao · March 24th, 2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ::XeS::

Hi
I know Dino Cazares used a modded marshall jcm800 in Demanufacture and a Line6 in Digimortal.
But which amp did he use for Obsolete?

I think a Line6 flextone II on Obsolete as well.

Maurizio

evilmanny · March 25th, 2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kaomao

I think a Line6 flextone II on Obsolete as well.

Maurizio

mmm, I'm not sure, I think his marshall was nicked after obsolete. And I remember digimortal being a massive change into the line6 stuff.

could be wrong though... I wasn't there

kaomao · March 25th, 2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by evilmanny

mmm, I'm not sure, I think his marshall was nicked after obsolete. And I remember digimortal being a massive change into the line6 stuff.

could be wrong though... I wasn't there

Uhm the sound on Obsolete is very similar to Digimortal....
To me doesn't seem marshall.

Maurizio

Brett - K A L I S I A · March 25th, 2006, 02:32 PM

Does Demanufacture sound Marshall to you ?

evildonkeymaster · March 25th, 2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by evilmanny

mmm, I'm not sure, I think his marshall was nicked after obsolete. And I remember digimortal being a massive change into the line6 stuff.

could be wrong though... I wasn't there

You are correct. I got the chance to hang out with Dino and band during the Obsolete tour. We spent some time the day before the show talking shop and such. What happened was during the Obsolete tour the gear trailer was broken into and Dinos Marshalls were stolen. This resulted in a I need a new amp like tonight mode. So he hit a local music store and the only thing he could get a decent tone dialed into was a Line 6 Flextone II.

So he finshed the tour with that head but Obsolete was recorded with the Modded JCM800 (if you could even call it a JCM800 after the techs got done with it haha).

Talk to Dino breifly after the tour and he spoke of using a POD on tracks that he was cutting for a video game (forget what game it was) and he then decided to add a POD pro to his rigg and use that too.

Carcass29 · March 25th, 2006, 09:24 PM

Here it is....

Sinister Mephisto · March 25th, 2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by evildonkeymaster

Talk to Dino breifly after the tour and he spoke of using a POD on tracks that he was cutting for a video game (forget what game it was) and he then decided to add a POD pro to his rigg and use that too.

The game wasn't Freaquency was it?

Deus.exe · March 26th, 2006, 04:46 AM

Sinister Mephisto: The game was Messiah

The games main charachter was a Cherrub like Cupid. A very original game.

kaomao · March 26th, 2006, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett - K A L I S I A

Does Demanufacture sound Marshall to you ?

Have you evere tried a JCM800 with a screamer in front of it and scooped it a lot in the mids area?
I did it and it sounds like "Demanufacture".
Demanufacture is a JCM800 with a soldano mod, or something like that I think.

Maurizio

~BURNY~ · March 26th, 2006, 06:41 AM

Having owned a Moded 2203 (probably the best amp I ever had) + an EMG81 equipped guitar at the same time , I can confirm this. Demanufacture sound was easily achievable. As for the later albums, I don't know.

kaomao · March 26th, 2006, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ~BURNY~

Having owned a Moded 2203 (probably the best amp I ever had), I can confirm this. Demanufacture sound was easily achievable. As for the later albums, I don't know.

Yep to achieve it easily you have to use a guitar tuned to flat B or at least C#.
All the low end on Demanufacture is beacause of the lowtuning I think.
Anyway that album, as we all know, it's so modern and "tight-sounding".

Maurizio

~BURNY~ · March 26th, 2006, 06:50 AM

Absolutely. My guitar was tuned to B flat at that time.

Sinister Mephisto · March 26th, 2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus.exe

Sinister Mephisto: The game was Messiah

The games main charachter was a Cherrub like Cupid. A very original game.

Cool, thank you. I only ask because I think FF did a song for that game but I don't think it was that early. Anyway I know some people involved with the game, so that's why I asked. I'll have to check out messiah, thank you!

Wolfeman · March 26th, 2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinister Mephisto

Cool, thank you. I only ask because I think FF did a song for that game but I don't think it was that early. Anyway I know some people involved with the game, so that's why I asked. I'll have to check out messiah, thank you!

Check out the Hatefiles album, they have the song on there.... It kicks ass...

And def check out Messiah, it kicks ass, there was a sequel also if I remember correctly...

Black neon bob · March 26th, 2006, 02:00 PM

Frequency was great!

FF had a lot of songs in most of the test drive series as well..

]=J=[ · March 27th, 2006, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kaomao

Have you evere tried a JCM800 with a screamer in front of it and scooped it a lot in the mids area?
I did it and it sounds like "Demanufacture".
Demanufacture is a JCM800 with a soldano mod, or something like that I think.

Maurizio

Nope, not Soldano. Some Russian guy I think. I'm pretty sure Mark Cameron (amp modder that works for Bogner) knows who it is and may even know the mod.

The amp and guitar sound on Demanufacture and Obsolete are the same, the only difference is in the way it was recorded: guitars on Demanufacture recorded to digital and guitars on Obsolete went down to analog tape.

Eyes_of_the_Betrayer · March 27th, 2006, 03:19 AM

I think Dino used his gut as a resonating chamber, i know i would if i had one.

wait, i do. fuck.

Torniojaws · March 27th, 2006, 03:01 PM

Obsolete is 100% a modded JCM800. It had at least a gain mod, where that weirdish tight fuzz-style distortion comes from. Demanufacture was a non-modded JCM800 with a Mesa/Boogie cab (unknown model though) on a 6-string ESP with EMG pickups tuned between B and D, depending on the song.

Splat88 · March 27th, 2006, 09:25 PM

I had an old guitar world from 1998 and Dino said he used the same modded JCM 800 on Demanufacture and Obsolete. Then it got stolen out of his tour bus I think. He said it was like a member of his family died. It also stated he used a Marshall cab with vintage 30s.

kaomao · March 28th, 2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ]=J=[

The amp and guitar sound on Demanufacture and Obsolete are the same, the only difference is in the way it was recorded: guitars on Demanufacture recorded to digital and guitars on Obsolete went down to analog tape.

oh god same amp? it sounds so different.
I don't think is just something about digital/analog, I think is something about the engineer.
Actually even if obsolte is inferior to Demanufacture, it sounds so damn good! the guitar tone it's better I think.

Maurizio

Torniojaws · March 28th, 2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kaomao

oh god same amp? it sounds so different.
I don't think is just something about digital/analog, I think is something about the engineer.

It all comes down how you mic up the cabinet. With just a "small" movement of 5 cm into a different direction on the microphone, your recorded tone will change completely, especially with an SM57.

kaomao · March 29th, 2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Torniojaws

It all comes down how you mic up the cabinet. With just a "small" movement of 5 cm into a different direction on the microphone, your recorded tone will change completely, especially with an SM57.

A small movement? 5 cm is not a small movement especially with an sm57. Even if you move it 1-2 cm away will change a lot the sound.
that tone is so different, is so scooped.
On demanufacture sounds really as a marshall JCM800, on obsolete uhm is so different even if it's the same amp.
I listened again to obsolete, well I rememberd a better tone.... Demanufacture guitarwise wins...

Maurizio

Torniojaws · March 29th, 2006, 06:14 AM

That's why I put those quotemarks on the word "small"

It was just a notion, that you can easily have completely different sound from the identical setup depending on how you place the mic. There is no one sound you get from a given setup, not to mention the actual tweaking of the amp gain, EQ, presence etc.

evilmanny · March 29th, 2006, 06:54 AM

I'm probably in the minority here, but as much as I love demanufacture's sound (and I do), I think Obsolete has an absolutlely amazing sound. A guitar tone I strive towards on occaision. I feel rhys fulber did an amazing job with it.

I even eventually started liking digimortal's sound, which I hated when I first heard it. It certainly beats the travesty of buzzsaw guitar that is the badly recorded krank on their latest. A real shame.

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Splat88 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vegas Posts: 1,147	I had an old guitar world from 1998 and Dino said he used the same modded JCM 800 on Demanufacture and Obsolete. Then it got stolen out of his tour bus I think. He said it was like a member of his family died. It also stated he used a Marshall cab with vintage 30s.

March 29th, 2006, 06:14 AM	#24 (permalink)
Torniojaws They call me Juha Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tornio, North Finland Posts: 2,583	That's why I put those quotemarks on the word "small" It was just a notion, that you can easily have completely different sound from the identical setup depending on how you place the mic. There is no one sound you get from a given setup, not to mention the actual tweaking of the amp gain, EQ, presence etc. __________________ Relativity \| Vortech

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evilmanny industrial sandwich maker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lundun, UK Posts: 43	I'm probably in the minority here, but as much as I love demanufacture's sound (and I do), I think Obsolete has an absolutlely amazing sound. A guitar tone I strive towards on occaision. I feel rhys fulber did an amazing job with it. I even eventually started liking digimortal's sound, which I hated when I first heard it. It certainly beats the travesty of buzzsaw guitar that is the badly recorded krank on their latest. A real shame.