Let's talk about overheads.

[WeeFace]

Originally Posted by elmuchoescadawg

Ive been using my SE electronic SE3s recently and getting good results. Once Ive got the pennys togeather Ill be getting a 2nd 4033 and a second C414 so the 414s will probably end up as the overheads.

I was using SE3s as overheads the other day, very pleasing for relatively cheap mics - actually outdid the KM184s I tried on the same kit/room. Would like to get some time in with these Octava's everyone's mentioning though, where can you get them in the UK?

[Jackal_Strain]

I've had some real nice results with akg 451 as overheads. I'm planning on buying a couple of em'.

[brandy]

I like the KM184 but they are not allways the right choice. Sometimes i need more "metal" mics - then i usually like my old and trusty C391's...

brandy

[SquareSteve]

Thanks everybody's x and keiffer for the reply. Super informative and I'm excited to test this out.

[OzNimbus]

Glad it's working out for you, Matt!

[greyskull]

gott getmesome of theose okatavaas

[Pman]

i got my oktavas from here from its ebay shop
(i live in uk)
Oktava studio microphones - genuine Russian made products
it was before they had an online shop

[Ice Man]

Originally Posted by greyskull

gott getmesome of theose okatavaas

I just picked up a pair of the MK012s myself and they're sweet, for sure. Sound great as overheads and they also do excellent on acoustic guitar, too.

[Ice Man]

Originally Posted by everybody's x

watch this

http://sfrecording.com/videos/DrumRecording.mp4

read this

best placement for drum overheads - Gearslutz.com

Awesome, dude, thanks! The video showed me everything I needed to know. It seems like an obscure method, but you can see its usefulness in capturing the center of the kit with two different angles.

[Keiffer]

this method also works well with acoustic guitar.

mic 1 - out front down a bit pointed at the 12th fret

mic 2 - over the shoulder even with the body top plane pointed at the bridge.

both the same distance from what they're aimed at

[Phase]

Originally Posted by OzNimbus

Absolutely 100% goddamn fucking right on the money.


"What the fuck do you think you're doing?" I'll ask.
"Opening up the hats." The dumbfuck (errr drummer, I mean) replies.
"Is this a disco record?" I'll inquire.
"No. It's a metal record." The drummer blurts.
"Then keep the hats closed." I'll order.
!"

But the origin of the drummers thought there is how he hears the kit when practicing at home. It has nothing to do with being dumb.

A drumkit on a CD is a complete illusion and totally contrary to drum playing. What we ask a drummer to do goes against a drummers very nature---its not his fault. The reason why overheads and the whole kit are a bitch is because of the incredible taming you have to do to force this huge beast into a tiny box that is the modern mix

So what Im saying is give them a break because I hear this attitude all the time and although I know its just tounge in cheek they get sick of hearing it....their sound is the most complicated to capture, using umpteen mics, and guys who have not spent much time in the studio cant be expected to envision how the complete drum sound coalesces through all those mics when they have always heard their kit without them