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DSS3 · July 9th, 2008, 07:22 AM

Can you really mix/match individual pieces of kit from previous version, both DFHS and EZXs? It would be peeerfect if I could slap another splash or two in there from the EZDFH/DFHS kits!

Kazrog · July 9th, 2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

Can you really mix/match individual pieces of kit from previous version, both DFHS and EZXs? It would be peeerfect if I could slap another splash or two in there from the EZDFH/DFHS kits!

AFAIK that is exactly what they want us to do!

Waterboy · July 9th, 2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

Can you really mix/match individual pieces of kit from previous version, both DFHS and EZXs? It would be peeerfect if I could slap another splash or two in there from the EZDFH/DFHS kits!

Yes, sir. You really can.

That is one very cool feature of S2 (IMHO).

That means the money you have spent on their past/present products will still be totally useable - in addition to having the new and improved Superior unit.

Take care.

Waterboy · July 9th, 2008, 09:55 AM

I wanted to give you an idea of what you can do, if you choose.

Just now I created a N.Y Avatar Kit with:

- 12" Pearl from the Claustrophobic EZX

- Cake Pan from the Twisted EZX

- Funny Stuff from the Twisted EZX

- Splash 2 from the DFH EZX

As you can see along the right hand side of the GUI - all of those additional X-Pads that I brought into the kit are tweak-able. (FWIW)
But that is just an idea of what you can do.

Gnash · July 9th, 2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sparkyness

It's a completely new engine/interface so doesn't run off DFHS 1. There's no difference in the packages with the upgrade...it's just a different license/price.

If your copy of DFHS 1 is registered and authorised on the toontrack site it should then give you the auth code for S2.0.

RTFO! Man, my studio pc and DFHS box were stolen, along with my precious Gibson Flying V, while I was out on tour. And to think, I didn't want to take the guitar on the road for fear of it getting ripped off! I've been waiting for a long time for this!

DSS3 · July 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM

Oh fuck yes... I might not have enough splashes for my ideal kit (one per rack tom and another one or two on each side), but that's still more than I can get now!!

Black neon bob · July 10th, 2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterboy

I wanted to give you an idea of what you can do, if you choose.

Just now I created a N.Y Avatar Kit with:

- 12" Pearl from the Claustrophobic EZX

- Cake Pan from the Twisted EZX

- Funny Stuff from the Twisted EZX

- Splash 2 from the DFH EZX

As you can see along the right hand side of the GUI - all of those additional X-Pads that I brought into the kit are tweak-able. (FWIW)
But that is just an idea of what you can do.

MINE!

Amberience · July 10th, 2008, 08:45 AM

Can someone post a screenshot of the mixer when a kit is fully loaded up please???

Amberience · July 10th, 2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DSS3

Naw, two clips here:

http://acle.tesseractband.co.uk/AxeF...Test_July7.mp3

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=6695101

Kick and snare don't sound very expressive to me.

Meisterjäger · July 10th, 2008, 08:52 AM

I know absolutely nothing about these programs, and I've never used a program like this before, but I seriously need to buy one. I think I'm gonna buy EZDrummer and DFH soon, these things sound amazing for pre-programmed stuff!

The only thing I don't get is the groove thing. I need to make my own original drum tracks though, so I don't know how it works. Are there any sort of trial versions of it I can try?

Metaltastic · July 10th, 2008, 10:36 AM

I really hate the kicks in the DFH expansion for EZD, they're just too, I dunno, splatty for me and they ring out too long. I'm honestly probably gonna go with XLN Addictive Drums, cuz Superior 2.0 looks like just a bit too much of a handful for my modest needs. And I don't really know what the difference between grooves and loops is, so I guess I'd appreciate some clarification on that as well.

Amberience · July 10th, 2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Metaltastic

I really hate the kicks in the DFH expansion for EZD, they're just too, I dunno, splatty for me and they ring out too long. I'm honestly probably gonna go with XLN Addictive Drums, cuz Superior 2.0 looks like just a bit too much of a handful for my modest needs. And I don't really know what the difference between grooves and loops is, so I guess I'd appreciate some clarification on that as well.

Why not BFD2? Just the money, or something else?

Exocaster · July 10th, 2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Amberience

Kick and snare don't sound very expressive to me.

All the Meshuggah-type guys just destroy their drums with massive, massive compression. Chances are those bear no resemblance whatsoever to the dry sounds.

The demos on the Toontrack site sound quite nice.

Kenny Lee · July 10th, 2008, 12:52 PM

Hey Guys. here's a 1:30 sec sample I've had on my computer for a few weeks using DFHS 2.0

Only used the Sonalksis plug-ins on this. No post work, tried to do as many cymbals as possible and some hihats and did many tom hits at the end. This is ONLY one sample (so many variations with 2.0)

PostMortem1666 · July 10th, 2008, 12:57 PM

i have bfd2 and i can honestly say i dont like it at all. It is not in anyway good at all for metal productions. There is i think 1 snare that i really liked that had enough crack. none of the kicks were really that good to me. the cymbals were ok though.

Meisterjäger · July 10th, 2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny Lee

Hey Guys. here's a 1:30 sec sample I've had on my computer for a few weeks using DFHS 2.0

Only used the Sonalksis plug-ins on this. No post work, tried to do as many cymbals as possible and some hihats and did many tom hits at the end. This is ONLY one sample (so many variations with 2.0)

So you can do completely random stuff with it and make it your own? I'm used to using drum maps in Cubase, can I still use them and have the drums sounding this good? (Sorry, I'm new to this whole software approach)

Waterboy · July 10th, 2008, 01:24 PM

If I understand your question correctly - yes, you can do completely random stuff (such as kit pcs, variations of grooves, built in effects, etc) to make your own sound, etc.

If you are new to the software approach - you may be a little overwhelmed. That's ok, though. There are a lot of people on this forum who are more than willing to help you out.

Not to mention - you could always visit us over @ the ToonTrack forum, too.

There are a lot of guys over there that use Cubase & Nuendo that could help you with a blindfold on their eyes!

Enjoy.

gorath23 · July 10th, 2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Meisterjäger

I know absolutely nothing about these programs, and I've never used a program like this before, but I seriously need to buy one. I think I'm gonna buy EZDrummer and DFH soon, these things sound amazing for pre-programmed stuff!

The only thing I don't get is the groove thing. I need to make my own original drum tracks though, so I don't know how it works. Are there any sort of trial versions of it I can try?

Don't! I have EZDrummer and DFH and the kicks and snares are really bad, incredibly thin. Its almost impossible to get a decent sound out of it. The Toms and Cymbals are very nice though. I have just picked up a cheap copy of the original DFHS, as I've always been impressed with the sounds people get out of it. Nothing I have heard or seen has *yet* persuaded me that there is any reason to buy S2.0 over the original, except the Sonalkis plugs. The fact that the metal kits will just be re-released versions of DFHS seems to defeat the point of upgrading to S2.0 imo, I'll save my cash for something else.

006 · July 10th, 2008, 01:38 PM

The deal with the pre-made Grooves in EZDrummer, and in the expansions, is that you can drag them into your project from the EZD GUI and then you will have the MIDI for that groove on your MIDI track. You can then open the event and edit the hits using the Drum Editor as if you programmed it yourself. I do this alot myself so that a lot of the stuff is already done. I then go back and change the parts I want to be different. Basically, getting the foundation of all the beats I'm going to use from the pre-made Grooves then going back and shaping it into what I really need. Saves quite a bit of time for me actually.

~006

006 · July 10th, 2008, 01:41 PM

Also...yeah, the drums in EZD (kicks and snares) are quite thing sounding, so I usually end up replacing them. HOWEVER!!! I just got the Nashville expansion for EZD and holy shit...believe it or not, I have gotten a great all natural sound (no samples blended in) with the Nashville drumset for metal. I like it alot more than any of the other sets for EZD. I have the Pop/Rock (default) kit and DFH EZX...whenever I used either of those the snare and kick would always get replaced. The toms on the pop/rock/dfh kits are fine, and the cymbals in the DFH kit are fine, it's just the kick and snare. But the Nashville EZX...seriously, I was completely surprised but the samples actually have BODY for once.

~006

Meisterjäger · July 10th, 2008, 03:02 PM

That's all super cool stuff, thanks guys. I had a bad experience using 'Apple Loops' when I was messing around with Garageband when I first got my Mac, and I was paranoid that this would just be a better sounding version of that.

I appreciate the help offering on behalf of everyone else, Waterboy! I'll check out those Toontrack forums, if I go that route. the EZD/DFH approach is not sounding overwhelmingly great though, at the moment. It is damn cheap, though.

006, I think I understand the whole concept of Grooves now, then! Any idea if other software will work the same way, XLN Addictive for example?

Metaltastic · July 10th, 2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Amberience

Why not BFD2? Just the money, or something else?

Eh, more the fact that I really haven't heard anything that demonstrates the money is worth it over AD or Sup. 2.0 for the stuff I'll be doing (metal, naturally)

gorath23 · July 10th, 2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 006

You can then open the event and edit the hits using the Drum Editor as if you programmed it yourself. I do this alot myself so that a lot of the stuff is already done. I then go back and change the parts I want to be different. Basically, getting the foundation of all the beats I'm going to use from the pre-made Grooves then going back and shaping it into what I really need. Saves quite a bit of time for me actually.

~006

Exactly the same here, I find something that approximates what I hear in my head and then edit it. I'm pretty sure that via EZplayer Free I can still use the MIDI grooves that come with EZD/DFH in DFH Superior (different drum map by all accounts).

MegaMustaine · July 10th, 2008, 04:10 PM

How much does superior 2.0 cost? I just bought an old DKFHS copy from a buddy, is it worth looking into 2.0?

Also, I'm scared that my sounds are gonna be total crap from Superior. Any resources I should check that explain how to get started?

gorath23 · July 10th, 2008, 04:31 PM

The upgrade from DFHS to S2.0 is only £69 here, and the best guide I ever found is from our very own Oz: http://noise101.wikidot.com/metal-drum-guide (check part 5 for Mixing). Daunt's parallel compression guide is pretty helpful (google: Faderwear guides).

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Meisterjäger Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 479	I know absolutely nothing about these programs, and I've never used a program like this before, but I seriously need to buy one. I think I'm gonna buy EZDrummer and DFH soon, these things sound amazing for pre-programmed stuff! The only thing I don't get is the groove thing. I need to make my own original drum tracks though, so I don't know how it works. Are there any sort of trial versions of it I can try? Last edited by Meisterjäger : July 10th, 2008 at 09:55 AM.

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Kenny Lee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 393	Hey Guys. here's a 1:30 sec sample I've had on my computer for a few weeks using DFHS 2.0 Only used the Sonalksis plug-ins on this. No post work, tried to do as many cymbals as possible and some hihats and did many tom hits at the end. This is ONLY one sample (so many variations with 2.0) __________________

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PostMortem1666 Ocean Planet is on burn Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oklahoma, US Posts: 521	i have bfd2 and i can honestly say i dont like it at all. It is not in anyway good at all for metal productions. There is i think 1 snare that i really liked that had enough crack. none of the kicks were really that good to me. the cymbals were ok though. __________________ Guitar Stuff: Mesa 2-Channel Dual Rec, Marshall 1960A w/V30s, Schecter C-1 + w/ EMGs, Recording: M-Audio BX8As, Directsound EX29 Headphones, M-Audio Profire 2626 (2), Mics: Shure SM7B, Shure SM57, Shure SM81 (2), Audix D6 Monolith Productions

July 9th, 2008, 07:22 AM	#26 (permalink)
DSS3 Yeh. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 3,666	Can you really mix/match individual pieces of kit from previous version, both DFHS and EZXs? It would be peeerfect if I could slap another splash or two in there from the EZDFH/DFHS kits!

July 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM	#31 (permalink)
DSS3 Yeh. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 3,666	Oh fuck yes... I might not have enough splashes for my ideal kit (one per rack tom and another one or two on each side), but that's still more than I can get now!!

July 10th, 2008, 01:24 PM	#42 (permalink)
Waterboy  Certified iPod Trainer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Baton Rouge, La. Posts: 557	If I understand your question correctly - yes, you can do completely random stuff (such as kit pcs, variations of grooves, built in effects, etc) to make your own sound, etc. If you are new to the software approach - you may be a little overwhelmed. That's ok, though. There are a lot of people on this forum who are more than willing to help you out. Not to mention - you could always visit us over @ the ToonTrack forum, too. There are a lot of guys over there that use Cubase & Nuendo that could help you with a blindfold on their eyes! Enjoy. __________________ FREE Illogical Logic Video Tutorials!!! ☝☝☝☝☝☝Click Up there☝☝☝☝☝☝ __________________  Certified iPod Trainer

July 10th, 2008, 01:38 PM	#44 (permalink)
006 underwater slow jams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 4,896	The deal with the pre-made Grooves in EZDrummer, and in the expansions, is that you can drag them into your project from the EZD GUI and then you will have the MIDI for that groove on your MIDI track. You can then open the event and edit the hits using the Drum Editor as if you programmed it yourself. I do this alot myself so that a lot of the stuff is already done. I then go back and change the parts I want to be different. Basically, getting the foundation of all the beats I'm going to use from the pre-made Grooves then going back and shaping it into what I really need. Saves quite a bit of time for me actually. ~006 __________________

July 10th, 2008, 01:41 PM	#45 (permalink)
006 underwater slow jams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 4,896	Also...yeah, the drums in EZD (kicks and snares) are quite thing sounding, so I usually end up replacing them. HOWEVER!!! I just got the Nashville expansion for EZD and holy shit...believe it or not, I have gotten a great all natural sound (no samples blended in) with the Nashville drumset for metal. I like it alot more than any of the other sets for EZD. I have the Pop/Rock (default) kit and DFH EZX...whenever I used either of those the snare and kick would always get replaced. The toms on the pop/rock/dfh kits are fine, and the cymbals in the DFH kit are fine, it's just the kick and snare. But the Nashville EZX...seriously, I was completely surprised but the samples actually have BODY for once. ~006 __________________

July 10th, 2008, 03:02 PM	#46 (permalink)
Meisterjäger Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 479	That's all super cool stuff, thanks guys. I had a bad experience using 'Apple Loops' when I was messing around with Garageband when I first got my Mac, and I was paranoid that this would just be a better sounding version of that. I appreciate the help offering on behalf of everyone else, Waterboy! I'll check out those Toontrack forums, if I go that route. the EZD/DFH approach is not sounding overwhelmingly great though, at the moment. It is damn cheap, though. 006, I think I understand the whole concept of Grooves now, then! Any idea if other software will work the same way, XLN Addictive for example?

July 10th, 2008, 04:10 PM	#49 (permalink)
MegaMustaine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 193	How much does superior 2.0 cost? I just bought an old DKFHS copy from a buddy, is it worth looking into 2.0? Also, I'm scared that my sounds are gonna be total crap from Superior. Any resources I should check that explain how to get started?

July 10th, 2008, 04:31 PM	#50 (permalink)
gorath23 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 625	The upgrade from DFHS to S2.0 is only £69 here, and the best guide I ever found is from our very own Oz: http://noise101.wikidot.com/metal-drum-guide (check part 5 for Mixing). Daunt's parallel compression guide is pretty helpful (google: Faderwear guides). __________________ - Studio Diary now up!