The bi-annual 'Sweet Vengeance' guitar worship thread - Page 2

rispsira · February 23rd, 2012, 06:53 PM

thanks for the heads up; never heard of them before

Djabthrash · February 23rd, 2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rispsira

thanks for the heads up; never heard of them before

their first 3 albums are the shit

mva801 · February 23rd, 2012, 09:06 PM

Gonna have to get a full res version of this. Seems a bit harsh over the ol' youtube.

Mago · February 24th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Kick gets no love from me at all...
snare is a bit strange...sounds very roomey tho, which I think is cool.

Guitars....hmm........I dunno, the best word I have for it is "tasteless". They work good on some spots and solo, but at some parts they become a bit unclear.
Something about the mid structure is offending to me, but I cant put my finger on it...
Yet there's something in that sound that I seem to dig...cool growl at some spots!

I'm with CJ here, I also never was a huge into the clayman sound...+1 on everything say about STD by both of you.

blue_fAng · February 24th, 2012, 05:51 PM

I dont get why the worship I've just listened some songs of that album in youtube and the guitar tone doesnt sound really good to me and the overall mix sounds hmmm blurry?

. That kind of tone is very common in that style of music and not unique at all (to me

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Djabthrash · February 24th, 2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blue_fAng

I dont get why the worship I've just listened some songs of that album in youtube and the guitar tone doesnt sound really good to me and the overall mix sounds hmmm blurry?

. That kind of tone is very common in that style of music and not unique at all (to me

)

comes down to taste i guess then

i think this tone is the shit and the riffing too

this style of riffing and tone is common as in you can hear similar stuff on a lot of records, but on this one it's stellar IMO

and Lindberg' vocals are so filled-with-hate-sounding, and i live for that stuff

Brandon E. · February 24th, 2012, 06:48 PM

Yeah I'm not into this style of mix at all...messy gothenburg style mix, everything sounds smeared all over the place. Actually its probably my least favorite mix of all Nightrage albums (though I don't particularly like any of the mixes)...I guess I just don't "get it".

Charles J · February 24th, 2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon E.

...messy gothenburg style mix, everything sounds smeared all over the place.

my sentiments exactly.... butttttttt, I have yet to hear it in the control room.. haha, so I will hold back all opinions..

however, i stand by my Clayman statement. I just really don't think it's anything special... it's very akin to this mix... kinda smeary and just weird... IDK... just never dug it too much. not for me I guess!

fucking LOVE most of Nordstrom's work though (or Henrik, who doesn't get credited for a lot of the best records Nordstrom has produced....which apparently he mixed).. could be wrong, but that's the impression I got.

Ermz · February 24th, 2012, 08:26 PM

It's understandable, I think for a lot of those who favor modern metal mixes, there is an inherent aversion against records which sound like a band playing together. For me, what I love most about the Sweet Vengeance mix is that it's basically a rock mix done for a metal band. For me it retains all the energy endemic to the music, without trying to overstate itself or clean everything up. It sounds like a band who could play really well were captured and represented accurately on a record. Ultimately that's what this gig is all about to me.

Djabthrash · February 24th, 2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ermz

It's understandable, I think for a lot of those who favor modern metal mixes, there is an inherent aversion against records which sound like a band playing together. For me, what I love most about the Sweet Vengeance mix is that it's basically a rock mix done for a metal band. For me it retains all the energy endemic to the music, without trying to overstate itself or clean everything up. It sounds like a band who could play really well were captured and represented accurately on a record. Ultimately that's what this gig is all about to me.

+1

And it has a specific vibe from this era/area.

Sunny84 · February 25th, 2012, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by elmoe

Yeah, i picked this up ages ago. Seriously one of my favourite albums of all time. The melodies are beyond awesome

: Too bad that theier further releases arent that great as sweet vengence is.

I reckon a New Disease is Born is a killer record. Good production for the genre too (well I think so anyways!)

robz_untruth · March 21st, 2012, 05:49 AM

the tremor..

i cant sit still when i hear this. i love it.
guitars and general energy of the whole thing is intense.
one of my favourite metal songs ever both production wise and music wise.

Charles J · March 21st, 2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ermz

It's understandable, I think for a lot of those who favor modern metal mixes, there is an inherent aversion against records which sound like a band playing together. For me, what I love most about the Sweet Vengeance mix is that it's basically a rock mix done for a metal band. For me it retains all the energy endemic to the music, without trying to overstate itself or clean everything up. It sounds like a band who could play really well were captured and represented accurately on a record. Ultimately that's what this gig is all about to me.

See, now this makes me think. I've never thought of nor 'heard' the record with this kind of context in mind...

Maybe it's because one of my absolutely FAVORITE era in recorded history is the 50's and early 60's.... to ME, THAT is what a band sounds like playing in a room, jamming their fucking asses off...

I guess I have a hard time leveraging that kind of stuff against a record like this one, but now that I go back and listen I can see where you're coming from and I totally respect that...

FOR ME, mordern metal records that sound like a band jamming in the room are records done by Ballou, Albini (who's much more on the 'indie' side here but has done some heavier records, like Zao for instance, GOOD GODDDDD), etc... IDK.

Wherein, it's even MORE the performances I love rather than the actual tones. ..especially in the case of Zao's "Liberate Te Ex Inferis".... just straight up sounds like your deep at some early 90 crust-grind show....and I LOVE that.

=D OPENED my EYES yet AGAIN, Ermz... hahaha

Ermz · March 21st, 2012, 09:45 AM

I was listening to a bunch of melodeath albums on the huge drive to and from the drum studio this week, and whenever this record came on it just totally killed everything vibe-wise! Translates well even in the car.

Djabthrash · March 22nd, 2012, 04:33 PM

And Tompa's vocals are murderous as always !

February 24th, 2012, 10:54 AM	#29 (permalink)
Mago Austrian Blech Machine Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,790	Kick gets no love from me at all... snare is a bit strange...sounds very roomey tho, which I think is cool. Guitars....hmm........I dunno, the best word I have for it is "tasteless". They work good on some spots and solo, but at some parts they become a bit unclear. Something about the mid structure is offending to me, but I cant put my finger on it... Yet there's something in that sound that I seem to dig...cool growl at some spots! I'm with CJ here, I also never was a huge into the clayman sound...+1 on everything say about STD by both of you. __________________ www.harpiaproductions.com HARPIA DEIIS - Melodic Death/Thrash Metal FACEBOOK \| BANDCAMP

February 24th, 2012, 08:26 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ermz Mix Guideus Authoritus Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19,940	It's understandable, I think for a lot of those who favor modern metal mixes, there is an inherent aversion against records which sound like a band playing together. For me, what I love most about the Sweet Vengeance mix is that it's basically a rock mix done for a metal band. For me it retains all the energy endemic to the music, without trying to overstate itself or clean everything up. It sounds like a band who could play really well were captured and represented accurately on a record. Ultimately that's what this gig is all about to me. __________________

March 21st, 2012, 05:49 AM	#37 (permalink)
robz_untruth Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Morrabbin (Melbourne) Posts: 88	the tremor.. i cant sit still when i hear this. i love it. guitars and general energy of the whole thing is intense. one of my favourite metal songs ever both production wise and music wise. __________________ www.facebook.com/untruthmetal

March 21st, 2012, 09:45 AM	#39 (permalink)
Ermz Mix Guideus Authoritus Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19,940	I was listening to a bunch of melodeath albums on the huge drive to and from the drum studio this week, and whenever this record came on it just totally killed everything vibe-wise! Translates well even in the car. __________________

February 23rd, 2012, 06:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
rispsira Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 755	thanks for the heads up; never heard of them before

February 23rd, 2012, 09:06 PM	#28 (permalink)
mva801 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,164	Gonna have to get a full res version of this. Seems a bit harsh over the ol' youtube.

February 24th, 2012, 05:51 PM	#30 (permalink)
blue_fAng Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 543	I dont get why the worship I've just listened some songs of that album in youtube and the guitar tone doesnt sound really good to me and the overall mix sounds hmmm blurry? . That kind of tone is very common in that style of music and not unique at all (to me )

February 24th, 2012, 06:48 PM	#32 (permalink)
Brandon E. Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: NJ USA Posts: 1,001	Yeah I'm not into this style of mix at all...messy gothenburg style mix, everything sounds smeared all over the place. Actually its probably my least favorite mix of all Nightrage albums (though I don't particularly like any of the mixes)...I guess I just don't "get it".

March 22nd, 2012, 04:33 PM	#40 (permalink)
Djabthrash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paris / Montpellier, FRANCE Posts: 4,098	And Tompa's vocals are murderous as always !