Reamping guys: I need your help!

[sysera]

Originally Posted by ::XeS::

Call me stupid....but I think this is not a mixing/mastering battle.
So....for me it's better to mix reamped tracks with the drum/bass track (only levels) and nothing more.
If it is a reamp "battle" I don't understand why someone should master the clip at -6dB RMS......to impress more than other guys?
At least we can decide to use -10db RMS max.....
For me it would be more correct

What is your issue with this?

Nobody is having a battle with this but you and I'm certainly not trying to impress anyone.

Some of us prefer to hear how our guitar tone will stand up in a mix and MASTERING scenario with the other instruments because I certainly find it actually has a profound effect, regardless of what the guitar sound was before it's been compressed or limited. Much the same as the reason he included the bass and drum track, without context, finding a suitable guitar tone is a bit silly. I'll add again, he has a link to the raw WAV files in his inbox, so he can test them himself if he desires.

[::XeS::]

I'm not arguing with you...it's a general discussion
I mean, you can reamp, mix the tracks with bass and drums and that's all...you can judge the contest also without pushing it at -5dB rms. But mainly I said that because here you can find a clip very low and a clip very very loud and this way, for me, is not clear to judge different tones.
Anyway I finally pushed my clips too (also if I think it's not the right way to judge different reamps and a guitar tones)

[Ermz]

I think XeS makes a good point. I put the rough mix at an RMS level that I felt comfortable for most to maintain. I didn't intend for anyone to push things with a limiter on the back end, but that's ok, that's why we'll collect the raw tracks and present them all at equal levels for the band.

Once again thanks for the additional entries. I'll have a listen to them tomorrow through the monitors.

@Ola: If you can, maybe give the 6505 preamp outs I posted before a shot through the Savage. It's a long shot, but it might get around the problem of impedance matchin slightly. I've reamped the entire CD with the 6505, my main problem is that I had to use impulses.

[Mikko Vainiala]

Amp head with impulses.

Slight master bus compression, attenuated dynamics (at highest) 1-2db.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fractal.wonderland/4ermz_new.rar

Mikko

EDIT: Inserted new link for brighter impulses.

[Goddamn Guitar]

@Ola: If you can, maybe give the 6505 preamp outs I posted before a shot through the Savage. It's a long shot, but it might get around the problem of impedance matchin slightly. I've reamped the entire CD with the 6505, my main problem is that I had to use impulses.[/quote]

Sure thing man, I'm gonna do several clips this weekend.

[Mikko Vainiala]

With these I used a brighter set of impulses.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fractal.wonderland/4ermz_new.rar

Mikko

[Ermz]

Thanks for taking the time Mikko, but the very reason I'm posting these up is so that I don't have to use impulses. I thought the 6505 with impulses would cut it, but I always find that impulses fall apart with EQing more so than raw cab tracks. So I'd just love to keep it as natural as possible!

[Mikko Vainiala]

Ermz, heh...keeping holidays here so its just sauna and grilling which takes time besides the mobile phone dial-up I'm using here in our summer place. Everyone who posted used real cabs? I'm asking cause I haven't downloaded (with 2-4ktps speed) much anything.

Anyways, don't give up hope with impulses yet, cause (even) I haven't. I learned some things during this reamping also, mostly worried how my take no# 1 could have been in the mix. Just for fun I was positively surprised when I made this 10db RMS mix:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fractal.wonderland/test_mv.mp3

Those other takes would cut even better.

EDIT: Here is new one with more balanced guitars (I used impulse no#9):

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fractal.wonde...ke9_newmix.mp3

This is cool place to test reampings, impulses and stuff.

Greets,

Mikko

[::XeS::]

Yes I use real cab

[noarin]

here's my take; brunetti pre+poweramp with impulses. Not much use for you I presume but I like my Brunetti
http://stud.hro.nl/0762457/possesing-noarin.mp3

[Deaf Ear]

I'm doing some reamping today myself, so I ran this through. 5150>Mesav30>57>Avedis MA5.

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/316466/REAMP-02.mp3

[Morgan C]

Originally Posted by Ermz

Thanks for taking the time Mikko, but the very reason I'm posting these up is so that I don't have to use impulses. I thought the 6505 with impulses would cut it, but I always find that impulses fall apart with EQing more so than raw cab tracks. So I'd just love to keep it as natural as possible!

Hah, in that case better discount mine. TSS -> SoloC -> Catharsis.

[Mutant]

Originally Posted by Morgoe

Hah, in that case better discount mine. TSS -> SoloC -> Catharsis.

Heh i like your reamp very much.

And LOL at these Hetfield/Mustaine style vocals

[Ermz]

Originally Posted by Morgoe

Hah, in that case better discount mine. TSS -> SoloC -> Catharsis.

Cool man. In the last few days of listening Sysera's have definitely taken my fancy the most. He's been nice enough to mic up all 4 of his speakers and roll with the best.

Those model tones are deceptive. When I listen to my 6505 through Catharsis reamp it still sounds like one of my fave raw tones, but once I get an EQ on that sucker it falls apart like crazy. So thanks for the honesty!

@Deaf Ear: That's quite a nice reamp man. This stuff is definitely digging the Peavey>Mesa 4x12 chain. I'll take the opportunity and present that one to the band too if you want to give me the raw tracks (to a portion of it at least, if you're afraid of me ripping you off, haha).

[Mikko Vainiala]

Originally Posted by Ermz

When I listen to my 6505 through Catharsis reamp it still sounds like one of my fave raw tones, but once I get an EQ on that sucker it falls apart like crazy.

Hey Ermz, its quite confusing...what exactly breaks up when you EQ a track recorded with an impulse and how?

Listen to this clip:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fractal.wonderland/whatbreak.mp3

As a quick test I just tweaked one of my tones (after the impulse) to sound more like your original clip and it worked absolutely well. Nothing "breaked". In the clip you hear my eq-tweaked tone and then your original take.

I just can't imagine a situation where an impulse recorded tone behaves so differently with EQ than any other waves.

[Metaltastic]

Whichever was the second Mikko, I much preferred that, but it sounded good to me! (though granted, in a mix it might be different)

[Eddy (RawMachine)]

If I have the time I will post one done with the Soldano Slo and maybe Diezel Herbert or Custom Audio OD100SE+

[Metaltastic]

God would I love to hear that Eddy! And on a side note, after a look at your myspace, I see you're in Portugal, for some reason I always thought you were South America-based!

[Mikko Vainiala]

Originally Posted by Metaltastic

Whichever was the second Mikko, I much preferred that, but it sounded good to me! (though granted, in a mix it might be different)

This was only to show that nothing “falled apart” even drastical EQ-treatment made to the tone after impulse. In this thread I have showed some tones of mine which you could comment, even I already know you like fizzier tones and I hate them. Thus I *hated* also my tone in the clip you commented. But the EQ process (technically) went well as such.

Now, if I have targeted Ermz’s kinda tone (and especially for the mix) I have made it more like the one below – more mids and no fizz – after that comes again Ermz’s original (just to remember you I don’t like fizz and you do.) But you should compare this to my first ugly-fizzy tone!

http://www.kolumbus.fi/fractal.wonde...preferring.mp3

As an amp modder I do literally thousands of comparisons per year and doing so for learning and out of curiosity which drives people, not to harm them.

[Metaltastic]

Yeah, in that clip, the first sounds just wayyyyy too middy and honky, whereas the second breathes much more IMO (fizz is just a side effect). And as I said, as far as I can tell nothing "fell apart", but again, these are just solo guitar files, not in a mix, and in the end it's up to Ermz to decide what works best for his project

[Metaltastic]

Originally Posted by Deaf Ear

I'm doing some reamping today myself, so I ran this through. 5150>Mesav30>57>Avedis MA5.

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/316466/REAMP-02.mp3

Hey dude, pretty cool, though when everything drops out and it's just those harmonized guitars, they sound a bit undergained (though part of that sounds like weak pick attack, but still). Overall cool character though, sits really well in the mix IMO! Would you mind posting an mp3 of the guitars only?

[Metaltastic]

Originally Posted by sysera

Throwing my hat into the ring

No post processing, except for Master Bus Compression/Limiting. Brick walled for fun and profit. (That and I needed to hear how it would hold up to it.)

Hey dude, sounds cool but too middy IMO, I like how Deaf Ear's sits a bit better. What'd you use?

[Mikko Vainiala]

Originally Posted by Metaltastic

Yeah, in that clip, the first sounds just wayyyyy too middy and honky, whereas the second breathes much more IMO (fizz is just a side effect). And as I said, as far as I can tell nothing "fell apart", but again, these are just solo guitar files, not in a mix, and in the end it's up to Ermz to decide what works best for his project

Marcus, I was just going to add a smiley in my post, so that you know I wasn't too serious or emotional...plus I should have freaked you out more by saying that on these days I don't use same impulse twice, lol. The one I just made for last post is already in trash can.

Now, I also *thought* this thread will be a reamping thread and hear some amp alone clips but I was wrong. Sooo...may I dive next into your DIO, Roadster etc. thread? I'd like to try those DI's out. Also I'd suggest you a simple mods to your recto before you leave it too soon and buy something else. But we can continue discussion about it there.

[Deaf Ear]

Originally Posted by Ermz

@Deaf Ear: That's quite a nice reamp man. This stuff is definitely digging the Peavey>Mesa 4x12 chain. I'll take the opportunity and present that one to the band too if you want to give me the raw tracks (to a portion of it at least, if you're afraid of me ripping you off, haha).

No problem at all. I'll try and get it up tonight. I should have the cab set up for another three or four days. If you want to go ahead and up all the tracks. I'll go ahead and run them just in case they dig it.

[Deaf Ear]

Originally Posted by Metaltastic

Hey dude, pretty cool, though when everything drops out and it's just those harmonized guitars, they sound a bit undergained (though part of that sounds like weak pick attack, but still). Overall cool character though, sits really well in the mix IMO! Would you mind posting an mp3 of the guitars only?

Thanks for the kind words bro. I'll post up an mp3 no problem. I'm going to upload the straight tracks first though.