Anyone up for mixing a song?

jauernis · August 5th, 2009, 10:07 PM

Warning not metal and a cubase project and i cant sing lol
I finished a song temporary title 2012...here is a quick mix but since this mix there have been more parts added singing wise.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=7728565*

I'm really trying to get a Breaking Benjamin Diary of Jane type of sound with this song

You Tube

my stuff is nowhere close but if anyone is into this type of rock mixing I would love if you could give me feedback on how to improve performance wise to one day get there.

Here is the project: (midi, sampled drums, di guitars, di bass, orchestra east west, lots of crappy vox, etc.)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vo63t3

-some quick notes
-I have two verse 1's (one is greyed out) I wasn't sure which one to go with..but thought the first verse would sound good very distorted and eerie reverb (reverse reverb)??

Posted below as well:
Ok here is just the exported wav's and midi file (drums) for use in pro tools, etc.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/q06p4b

The song is 83bpm

Thanks for the feedback guys!!

And here is just the midi file...http://www.sendspace.com/file/6wq7za

*Rough Mix by Onqel (the serina experiment) who is an amazing amazing mixer. He has been extremely busy but if anyone has mix questions please post them here and John will answer em. I have done quite a few song changes since his mix and would love to hear how it will sound with the new changes.

HandsOfDespair · August 5th, 2009, 10:12 PM

Dude that song is awesome and the mix is good IMO. And I personally love your vocals, you're definely too hard with yourself.

Oh and I love the song, I'll have a crack at it tonight and tomorrow.

The-Zeronaut · August 6th, 2009, 04:20 AM

Could you post the midi drums and the tempo of the track?
there are overheads and hihat in your mix but i don't see them in the files :S

im loving the track >.< next week i will give it a shot

PostMortem1666 · August 6th, 2009, 10:58 AM

Great song I just wish it was consolidated files rather than a Cubase project so I could mix it in Pro Tools.

jauernis · August 6th, 2009, 01:16 PM

Ok here is just the exported wav's and midi file (drums) for use in pro tools, etc.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/q06p4b

The song is 83bpm

Thanks for the feedback guys!!

And here is just the midi file...http://www.sendspace.com/file/6wq7za

Any comments on the drum programming?

jauernis · August 6th, 2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Zeronaut

Could you post the midi drums and the tempo of the track?
there are overheads and hihat in your mix but i don't see them in the files :S

im loving the track >.< next week i will give it a shot

I exported just the kick and the snare samples as wav's to combine with sd 2, etc.
So the midi file has all the hats and overheads.

AudioPhile777 · August 6th, 2009, 01:50 PM

Sounds really good dude... what kick are you using there?

onqel · August 6th, 2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AudioPhile777

Sounds really good dude... what kick are you using there?

I'm using the devildriver kick with a 3dB cut at 3500hz and a 2.5dB boost at 11500 ..

the scratch mix is done by me :\ I haven't had the time to finish it because of a vst-project..

Maamar Huq · August 6th, 2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onqel

I haven't had the time to finish it because of a vst-project..

Are you on ltspice?

onqel · August 6th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maamar Huq

Are you on ltspice?

Hehe, yes I am

steeltormentorx · August 7th, 2009, 12:36 PM

I posted my attempt in Rate my mix forum.

HandsOfDespair · August 7th, 2009, 03:12 PM

Here's my first mix: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317666/2012-mix6.mp3

There's still things I don't like abouyt it, I'll try to fix them this week-end.

I already said it to you jauernis, but really great song haha. I had a blast to mix it.

jauernis · August 7th, 2009, 04:03 PM

Thanks Max!!

This is an awesome mix! Great vocals and the ideas you came up with are perfect. The ending is amazing and the parts before the chorus come in

tell me if you agree I wonder if we are thinking the same things

...these would be the final tweaks I would think of (beacuse of the genre not the mix):

-Kick and snare a little more room/verb..snare a slight db boost, and kick a very little bit of more low end thump
-Bass some more distortion and thicker to carry the song and the guitars and make the choruses a bit bigger (even though that all sounds phenomenal already)
-Guitars to come down but not much and also a little more liveliness to them (cause my DI and playing are still not that great and dull sounding..so that might be difficult

)

Otherwise Max this is kick ass! Like it a lot!!

Nuno Filipe · August 8th, 2009, 03:30 PM

I have been working on your music, I already spent a few hours on that but it´s still not finished. I will post here a little soundclip of the mix but I have to work a lot more. There is many things to do. I didnt yet worked hard on the bass sound.

More one week and I will finished this. Btw great fucking job composing this. Love it.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1457645/2012%20mix.mp3

onqel · August 8th, 2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jauernis

(cause my DI and playing are still not that great and dull sounding..so that might be difficult

you need to practice more on your palm muting.. so you can palm mute with full control over hardness etc.. it's too soft.. even compared to your Breaking Benjamin reference..

Your Stand Tall tracks were great though

...+ it's hard to give the song a Breaking benjamin sound with the synths going on in the background.. they are pushing the mixer (me at least) to do a more ambiance/big space oriented sound... could be that I'm a one-trick pony when it comes to mixing though :P

And No.. this wasn't meant to be an attack of your playing skills

jauernis · August 9th, 2009, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onqel

you need to practice more on your palm muting.. so you can palm mute with full control over hardness etc.. it's too soft.. even compared to your Breaking Benjamin reference..

I 100% agree and that is the feedback I like and need!

...+ it's hard to give the song a Breaking benjamin sound with the synths going on in the background.. they are pushing the mixer (me at least) to do a more ambiance/big space oriented sound... could be that I'm a one-trick pony when it comes to mixing though :P

No you are def no a one trick pony John its more my noobieness in trying to write songs I want a rock feel in the drums and guitars but also love having the atmospheric stuff in there as well. So still learning what works and doesnt. But I want the feedback!!!

And No.. this wasn't meant to be an attack of your playing skills

No worries

and let's hear some more stuff from you!!

jauernis · August 9th, 2009, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuno Filipe

I have been working on your music, I already spent a few hours on that but it´s still not finished. I will post here a little soundclip of the mix but I have to work a lot more. There is many things to do. I didnt yet worked hard on the bass sound.

More one week and I will finished this. Btw great fucking job composing this. Love it.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1457645/2012%20mix.mp3

Nuno thanks for the compliment and thanks for this mix!!!..... sounds awesome as well. Drums are awesome!! I'm going to comment again in the morning just got home and a little intoxicated

qwe · August 9th, 2009, 04:29 AM

man these drums are so great... am talking bout first post... what snare is that? sound so good! and hi hat and cymbals are great! can you share some info on drums
song is nice too! you kind of remind me of dream theatre singer x)
i love sound of guitars in first post too! what amp was that??
GREAT work mate! am listening song couple of times now and more i listen more i like it! those strings are giving great atmosfere

all best!

Nuno Filipe · August 9th, 2009, 04:40 AM

Onqel is right and dont see that as something negative. The song is fucking good without a doubt but if you improve your playing skills it will be even better. As Ongel said, pratice your palm mute but try to avoid all kind the noises when you are playing and try to be much tight as you can.
When you're comfortable with all these aspects, try quadtracking, beacuse this could improve a better and bigger sound.

onqel · August 9th, 2009, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwe

man these drums are so great... am talking bout first post... what snare is that? sound so good! and hi hat and cymbals are great! can you share some info on drums

Superior Drummer 2 with devildriverkick.. snare I believe is Lasse's black panther snare blended with original SD2 snare.

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwe

i love sound of guitars in first post too! what amp was that??

SoloC!

and I hope you was talking about the scratch mix :P if not, I made a fool of myself.. haha

qwe · August 9th, 2009, 08:23 PM

man you rock thanks for the info!

steeltormentorx · August 10th, 2009, 05:47 AM

You can find my mix in this thread. Please comment!
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/r...-jauernis.html

Nuno Filipe · August 12th, 2009, 01:05 PM

Great mix steeltormentorx. Here is my mix:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1457645/2012.mp3

ShallowEulogy · August 15th, 2009, 04:12 PM

Tumtumtum, I did a mix too

And it's in herrr

I think it needs some tweaking to do (my ears are mixing numb at the moment) or it might be me that i'm bitching about it

Overall i am really satisfied with what i got so far

I agree with onqel about the palm muting. Hit these mutes like you mean it and practice with your hand setting so that they sound dead but yet fat

(speaking of rhyming

) Furthermore it's a pretty solid performance! DI's were a little harsh sounding in the beginning of my (digital) reamping process, so that needed a lot of tweaking and experimenting, but that was fun too

Don't worry about your vocal performance cause it's pretty good! Only thing that bothered me is when the chorus vocals kicked in it sounded really nassal (is that word correct? what i mean is when you put your fingers over your nose and try to talk/sing) i cant really tell if it's the performance/mic/pre-amp/some kind of rat biting your nose/whatever but i noticed it. Hope you enjoy

sinquestsound · August 9th, 2011, 02:29 AM

Hi, great song !!!

http://soundcloud.com/sinquestsoundgregor/form-sinmix-2

Stay metall,

August 5th, 2009, 10:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
HandsOfDespair Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 1,523	Dude that song is awesome and the mix is good IMO. And I personally love your vocals, you're definely too hard with yourself. Oh and I love the song, I'll have a crack at it tonight and tomorrow. __________________ My bands: www.myspace.com/catuvolcus www.myspace.com/handsofdespair Last edited by HandsOfDespair : August 5th, 2009 at 10:20 PM.

August 6th, 2009, 10:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
PostMortem1666 Ocean Planet is on burn Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oklahoma, US Posts: 758	Great song I just wish it was consolidated files rather than a Cubase project so I could mix it in Pro Tools. __________________ Monolith Productions

August 6th, 2009, 01:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
jauernis Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Frisco, CA Posts: 801	Ok here is just the exported wav's and midi file (drums) for use in pro tools, etc. http://www.sendspace.com/file/q06p4b The song is 83bpm Thanks for the feedback guys!! And here is just the midi file...http://www.sendspace.com/file/6wq7za Any comments on the drum programming? __________________ Cheverie http://www.myspace.com/pieceofcheverie "Common sense is not so common." Voltaire "When seagulls follow a trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. " Cantona Last edited by jauernis : August 6th, 2009 at 01:20 PM.

August 7th, 2009, 03:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
HandsOfDespair Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 1,523	Here's my first mix: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317666/2012-mix6.mp3 There's still things I don't like abouyt it, I'll try to fix them this week-end. I already said it to you jauernis, but really great song haha. I had a blast to mix it. __________________ My bands: www.myspace.com/catuvolcus www.myspace.com/handsofdespair Last edited by HandsOfDespair : August 7th, 2009 at 03:16 PM.

August 7th, 2009, 04:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
jauernis Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Frisco, CA Posts: 801	Thanks Max!! This is an awesome mix! Great vocals and the ideas you came up with are perfect. The ending is amazing and the parts before the chorus come in tell me if you agree I wonder if we are thinking the same things ...these would be the final tweaks I would think of (beacuse of the genre not the mix): -Kick and snare a little more room/verb..snare a slight db boost, and kick a very little bit of more low end thump -Bass some more distortion and thicker to carry the song and the guitars and make the choruses a bit bigger (even though that all sounds phenomenal already) -Guitars to come down but not much and also a little more liveliness to them (cause my DI and playing are still not that great and dull sounding..so that might be difficult ) Otherwise Max this is kick ass! Like it a lot!! __________________ Cheverie http://www.myspace.com/pieceofcheverie "Common sense is not so common." Voltaire "When seagulls follow a trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. " Cantona

August 7th, 2009, 12:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
steeltormentorx Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Czech republic Posts: 47	I posted my attempt in Rate my mix forum.

August 8th, 2009, 03:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
Nuno Filipe You talkin' to me? Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 2,007	I have been working on your music, I already spent a few hours on that but it´s still not finished. I will post here a little soundclip of the mix but I have to work a lot more. There is many things to do. I didnt yet worked hard on the bass sound. More one week and I will finished this. Btw great fucking job composing this. Love it. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1457645/2012%20mix.mp3

August 9th, 2009, 04:29 AM	#18 (permalink)
qwe Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 61	man these drums are so great... am talking bout first post... what snare is that? sound so good! and hi hat and cymbals are great! can you share some info on drums song is nice too! you kind of remind me of dream theatre singer x) i love sound of guitars in first post too! what amp was that?? GREAT work mate! am listening song couple of times now and more i listen more i like it! those strings are giving great atmosfere all best!

August 9th, 2009, 04:40 AM	#19 (permalink)
Nuno Filipe You talkin' to me? Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 2,007	Onqel is right and dont see that as something negative. The song is fucking good without a doubt but if you improve your playing skills it will be even better. As Ongel said, pratice your palm mute but try to avoid all kind the noises when you are playing and try to be much tight as you can. When you're comfortable with all these aspects, try quadtracking, beacuse this could improve a better and bigger sound.

August 9th, 2009, 08:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
qwe Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 61	man you rock thanks for the info!

August 10th, 2009, 05:47 AM	#22 (permalink)
steeltormentorx Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Czech republic Posts: 47	You can find my mix in this thread. Please comment! http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/r...-jauernis.html

August 12th, 2009, 01:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
Nuno Filipe You talkin' to me? Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Portugal Posts: 2,007	Great mix steeltormentorx. Here is my mix: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1457645/2012.mp3

August 15th, 2009, 04:12 PM	#24 (permalink)
ShallowEulogy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dutchieland Posts: 495	Tumtumtum, I did a mix too And it's in herrr I think it needs some tweaking to do (my ears are mixing numb at the moment) or it might be me that i'm bitching about it Overall i am really satisfied with what i got so far I agree with onqel about the palm muting. Hit these mutes like you mean it and practice with your hand setting so that they sound dead but yet fat (speaking of rhyming ) Furthermore it's a pretty solid performance! DI's were a little harsh sounding in the beginning of my (digital) reamping process, so that needed a lot of tweaking and experimenting, but that was fun too Don't worry about your vocal performance cause it's pretty good! Only thing that bothered me is when the chorus vocals kicked in it sounded really nassal (is that word correct? what i mean is when you put your fingers over your nose and try to talk/sing) i cant really tell if it's the performance/mic/pre-amp/some kind of rat biting your nose/whatever but i noticed it. Hope you enjoy

August 9th, 2011, 02:29 AM	#25 (permalink)
sinquestsound Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lublin/Poland Posts: 341	Hi, great song !!! http://soundcloud.com/sinquestsoundgregor/form-sinmix-2 Stay metall, __________________ Mixing,Mastering,Reamping Services: http://sinmix.brickwall.pl/services/ REAMPING - 20$ PER SONG, MIX+MASTER(REAMPING INCLUDED)-50$ PER SONG... http://www.youtube.com/user/sinquestsound