Stabbing the Drama - Page 3

K Odell · May 3rd, 2012, 11:45 AM

I love everything about this cd. One of my favorites by far. Wouldn't change anything about it.

Machinated · May 3rd, 2012, 11:58 AM

likewise, gave it a listen last night.

cool sounds, and it works. great stuff.

LeSedna · May 3rd, 2012, 03:25 PM

Indeed impressive but there's always one thing bothering me : the first guitar riff has no fucking balls because there is a buildup and then that boring riff that sounds way too dry with those drums ! It's all perfect in the chorus but it's so separated that any part without a wall of sound is weak as a result imo

It's a very unusual mix indeed

Rhorschack · May 3rd, 2012, 06:50 PM

Incredibly classy, original and unique mix. I never got fed up of that album, and the production has a lot to do with...

plague_rider · May 4th, 2012, 04:44 AM

Absolutely love this album... its up there with my favourites...

Crestfallen is a stand out track for me...

+1 on the necrobumpage...

amarshism · May 4th, 2012, 04:55 AM

It really is a stellar mix. The only soilwork album I'll listen to.

atoragon · May 4th, 2012, 05:13 AM

i'm impressed by the production of "Natural born chaos".
Just love everything, especially the guitars, and drums (and songwriting, which is four times better than STD); impressive how devin townsend pulled out a production so much better than his own works'.
the mids and bass frequencies are just powerful, and same for "dead heart in a dead world" of nevermore, which on the attack of "the heart collector" feels like a punch in the stomach, and it's my favourite Sneap production

btw, did you hear the last In Flames album? guitars are purposedly lower and less aggressive than before, but the bass and drum sound is really awesome! (as an overall metal mix, anyway, the already mentioned soundtrack to your escape is even better!)

beyond dead · May 4th, 2012, 09:05 AM

^ I'm loving the latest in flames! Probably my favorite mix that has came out in the past few years. I love how dark the guitars are, and how low they sit in the mix. It really gives lots of space for the drums and vocals to breathe, but you can still hear the definition and articulation of the riffs. I've been referencing it quite extensively. I honestly think it i's on par with stabbing the drama.

As for stabbing the drama, I'm still infatuated with it. From the distance is probably one of my favorite songs ever.

sopulurn · May 4th, 2012, 09:44 AM

i'll give props to the mix for being unique, but i'm not really a fan of it.

i don't like the snare at all, it lacks presence and low end punch. and that guitar tone just keeps bugging me no matter how long i'm listening and trying to get used to it. the album lacks overall punch.

it's not all that bad really but i can't see why people are putting it on the "ultimate mix" pedestal

blackbull · May 4th, 2012, 10:14 AM

Anyone heard Sounds of a Playground fading? Hugest album I've ever heard.

Keregioz · May 4th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopulurn

i'll give props to the mix for being unique, but i'm not really a fan of it.

i don't like the snare at all, it lacks presence and low end punch. and that guitar tone just keeps bugging me no matter how long i'm listening and trying to get used to it. the album lacks overall punch.

it's not all that bad really but i can't see why people are putting it on the "ultimate mix" pedestal

+1

can't get enough of "the panic broadcast" though (both production wise and musically)

Melb_shredder · May 4th, 2012, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbull

Anyone heard Sounds of a Playground fading? Hugest album I've ever heard.

I own the album.. first thing when I listened through was *Could the mix annoy me any more*. I really, really dislike it :S

atoragon · May 4th, 2012, 10:56 AM

the panic broadcast it's a little bit too high-oriented maybe, but it's one of their best, songwriting-wise.
Vocals are really inhuman.

Ermz · May 4th, 2012, 02:59 PM

'The Panic Broadcast' has one of the most awkward and uncomfortable recorded guitar tones I've heard in a modern production. Actually makes STD sound dull, which is quite a feat. The overall balancing on STD is just way superior to boot, IMO.

'Sounds of a Playground Falling' is pretty interesting. It feels quite intentional, for it to sound that way. It has potential for hugeness, but lacks a little sumthin, sumthin. Huddle up, coz you're only ever going to hear me say this a few times in my entire life: I feel that the guitars are too dull to work in a metal context.... O_o

Axell Strad · May 5th, 2012, 04:47 AM

'The Panic Broadcast' sounds like mixed someone in this forum. It still good but man..this is done by Bogren whose alias - mr. Greatest Mix Ever

Keregioz · May 5th, 2012, 05:24 AM

Well, to my ears the guitar tone in STD sounds way more bright/harsh/thin than TPB (listening through AKG K701 headphones).

crillemannen · May 5th, 2012, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melb_shredder

I own the album.. first thing when I listened through was *Could the mix annoy me any more*. I really, really dislike it :S

I actually like it. Sounds huge and beefy nice kick and the snare sounds natural ( but i bet i isn't) Kind of bad guitar sound but it works in the mix.

Melb_shredder · May 6th, 2012, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crillemannen

I actually like it. Sounds huge and beefy nice kick and the snare sounds natural ( but i bet i isn't) Kind of bad guitar sound but it works in the mix.

I hear ya. I think the biggest offenders IMO are the guitars and the toms/ snare. Really disliking them for a fair few reasons. But overall it's an interesting mix that's for sure

Machinated · May 6th, 2012, 12:59 PM

So many guys on this forum have a way at looking at mixes where it's either good or bad. Not saying its a bad thing, but I think it's important to be able to appreciate all kinds of mixes (especially when the weird ones make them unique). Having slightly 'odd' elements in a mix is what gives each mix different characters, it would be dull to have 'perfect' guitars and drums every time.

atoragon · May 11th, 2012, 01:24 AM

and what do you think about the latest trivium, "in waves"? i'm hooked with that guitar sound!

Patrick (Nemesis) · May 11th, 2012, 05:00 AM

Listening to TPB is really fatiguing to my ears. Can't listen to it for more than 15 minutes. But STD is just awesome, I don't ever get tired of listening to it, which rarely happened before for me with other mixes.

Another mix I'd like to throw in for discussion: Warrel Dane - Praises to the War Machine. I think the production just perfectly fits the music and style. Has some nice low-end too and really dictates being heard LOUD. Can listen to this record over and over again and don't ever get tired of it.

Ermz · May 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM

Haha you had me in total agreement until you mentioned the Dane record.

Patrick (Nemesis) · May 11th, 2012, 06:03 AM

Yay, I was a bit afraid to mention it haha

But really, if I was asked what I would want to be changed in there (sound-wise), I would simply reply: nothing, it just fits perfectly. And I did choose this one intentionally, because it's not something like a classic or whatsoever. Well, another example: Pagans Mind - God's Equation (don't know how well-known they are in different parts of the world, but I'll give it a try...). If I directly compare it to other modern records, it somehow sounds a bit dull in some places and it has some weird spike somewhere around 800Hz, but after my ears are accustomed to the sound, it's just fucking awesome how every element and effect can be perceived that clearly and how it's overall sounding. But well, maybe it's just my personal taste...

B36arin · May 11th, 2012, 06:38 AM

I love The Panic Broadcast, both for it's music and it's production. I'll agree that the guitars aren't the best guitars ever recorded, but the drums sound amazing.

Heabow · May 11th, 2012, 10:03 AM

... and they're real!
But no, I don't dig the guitar sound on the last three Soilwork albums. I'd love to hear Soilwork produced by Tue Madsen!

May 3rd, 2012, 11:45 AM	#51 (permalink)
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May 3rd, 2012, 11:58 AM	#52 (permalink)
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May 3rd, 2012, 03:25 PM	#53 (permalink)
LeSedna Mat or Mateo Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Montpellier, France Posts: 4,485	Indeed impressive but there's always one thing bothering me : the first guitar riff has no fucking balls because there is a buildup and then that boring riff that sounds way too dry with those drums ! It's all perfect in the chorus but it's so separated that any part without a wall of sound is weak as a result imo It's a very unusual mix indeed __________________ MacBookPro 17in 2011 (MacOs/W7) / REAPER / Duet - equator D5 / ESP (SD) - Ltd B50 INHERIT EP about 50% finished (For fans of Devin Townsend / BTBAM / Cynic / Tesseract / Tool / Pink Floyd)

May 4th, 2012, 04:55 AM	#56 (permalink)
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May 4th, 2012, 05:13 AM	#57 (permalink)
atoragon Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 31	i'm impressed by the production of "Natural born chaos". Just love everything, especially the guitars, and drums (and songwriting, which is four times better than STD); impressive how devin townsend pulled out a production so much better than his own works'. the mids and bass frequencies are just powerful, and same for "dead heart in a dead world" of nevermore, which on the attack of "the heart collector" feels like a punch in the stomach, and it's my favourite Sneap production btw, did you hear the last In Flames album? guitars are purposedly lower and less aggressive than before, but the bass and drum sound is really awesome! (as an overall metal mix, anyway, the already mentioned soundtrack to your escape is even better!) __________________

May 3rd, 2012, 06:50 PM	#54 (permalink)
Rhorschack Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lausanne Posts: 45	Incredibly classy, original and unique mix. I never got fed up of that album, and the production has a lot to do with...

May 4th, 2012, 09:05 AM	#58 (permalink)
beyond dead heavy metal dad \m/ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: peterborough, ontario, canada Posts: 2,166	^ I'm loving the latest in flames! Probably my favorite mix that has came out in the past few years. I love how dark the guitars are, and how low they sit in the mix. It really gives lots of space for the drums and vocals to breathe, but you can still hear the definition and articulation of the riffs. I've been referencing it quite extensively. I honestly think it i's on par with stabbing the drama. As for stabbing the drama, I'm still infatuated with it. From the distance is probably one of my favorite songs ever. __________________ Uses and abuses: Profire 2626, Saffire Pro 40, ART PRO MPAII, Mac Mini w 2.6 ghz i7 8 gb ram, Logic Pro 9, Focusrite Liquid Mix, M-audio Keyrig 49 Mics: Shure, Audix, Sennheiser, Audio Technica, Studio Projects, Apex

May 4th, 2012, 09:44 AM	#59 (permalink)
sopulurn how do preset Join Date: May 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 3,531	i'll give props to the mix for being unique, but i'm not really a fan of it. i don't like the snare at all, it lacks presence and low end punch. and that guitar tone just keeps bugging me no matter how long i'm listening and trying to get used to it. the album lacks overall punch. it's not all that bad really but i can't see why people are putting it on the "ultimate mix" pedestal __________________ Chaotech Bonemechanics

May 4th, 2012, 10:14 AM	#60 (permalink)
blackbull Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Norway Posts: 67	Anyone heard Sounds of a Playground fading? Hugest album I've ever heard.

May 4th, 2012, 10:56 AM	#63 (permalink)
atoragon Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 31	the panic broadcast it's a little bit too high-oriented maybe, but it's one of their best, songwriting-wise. Vocals are really inhuman. __________________

May 4th, 2012, 02:59 PM	#64 (permalink)
Ermz Mix Guideus Authoritus Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19,942	'The Panic Broadcast' has one of the most awkward and uncomfortable recorded guitar tones I've heard in a modern production. Actually makes STD sound dull, which is quite a feat. The overall balancing on STD is just way superior to boot, IMO. 'Sounds of a Playground Falling' is pretty interesting. It feels quite intentional, for it to sound that way. It has potential for hugeness, but lacks a little sumthin, sumthin. Huddle up, coz you're only ever going to hear me say this a few times in my entire life: I feel that the guitars are too dull to work in a metal context.... O_o __________________

May 5th, 2012, 04:47 AM	#65 (permalink)
Axell Strad Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 93	'The Panic Broadcast' sounds like mixed someone in this forum. It still good but man..this is done by Bogren whose alias - mr. Greatest Mix Ever

May 5th, 2012, 05:24 AM	#66 (permalink)
Keregioz Kimon Zeliotis Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,931	Well, to my ears the guitar tone in STD sounds way more bright/harsh/thin than TPB (listening through AKG K701 headphones). __________________ Kimon "Tzek Keregioz" Zeliotis Psycrence Official Website Free Escalation Demo CD download: MP3, WAV Free Psycrence Demo CD download: MP3 Escalation myspace, facebook, soundclick Detached soundclick

May 6th, 2012, 12:59 PM	#69 (permalink)
Machinated Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Milton Keynes, UK Posts: 3,665	So many guys on this forum have a way at looking at mixes where it's either good or bad. Not saying its a bad thing, but I think it's important to be able to appreciate all kinds of mixes (especially when the weird ones make them unique). Having slightly 'odd' elements in a mix is what gives each mix different characters, it would be dull to have 'perfect' guitars and drums every time. __________________ Ed Sokolowski Follow me on facebook: EAS STUDIOS Follow me on twitter - http://twitter.com/easstudios Drum Quantizing + Reamping available + Production + Mixing - PM me for details

May 11th, 2012, 01:24 AM	#70 (permalink)
atoragon Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 31	and what do you think about the latest trivium, "in waves"? i'm hooked with that guitar sound! __________________

May 11th, 2012, 05:00 AM	#71 (permalink)
Patrick (Nemesis) Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 58	Listening to TPB is really fatiguing to my ears. Can't listen to it for more than 15 minutes. But STD is just awesome, I don't ever get tired of listening to it, which rarely happened before for me with other mixes. Another mix I'd like to throw in for discussion: Warrel Dane - Praises to the War Machine. I think the production just perfectly fits the music and style. Has some nice low-end too and really dictates being heard LOUD. Can listen to this record over and over again and don't ever get tired of it.

May 11th, 2012, 05:31 AM	#72 (permalink)
Ermz Mix Guideus Authoritus Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 19,942	Haha you had me in total agreement until you mentioned the Dane record. __________________

May 11th, 2012, 06:03 AM	#73 (permalink)
Patrick (Nemesis) Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 58	Yay, I was a bit afraid to mention it haha But really, if I was asked what I would want to be changed in there (sound-wise), I would simply reply: nothing, it just fits perfectly. And I did choose this one intentionally, because it's not something like a classic or whatsoever. Well, another example: Pagans Mind - God's Equation (don't know how well-known they are in different parts of the world, but I'll give it a try...). If I directly compare it to other modern records, it somehow sounds a bit dull in some places and it has some weird spike somewhere around 800Hz, but after my ears are accustomed to the sound, it's just fucking awesome how every element and effect can be perceived that clearly and how it's overall sounding. But well, maybe it's just my personal taste...

May 11th, 2012, 06:38 AM	#74 (permalink)
B36arin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 680	I love The Panic Broadcast, both for it's music and it's production. I'll agree that the guitars aren't the best guitars ever recorded, but the drums sound amazing.

May 11th, 2012, 10:03 AM	#75 (permalink)
Heabow Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 830	... and they're real! But no, I don't dig the guitar sound on the last three Soilwork albums. I'd love to hear Soilwork produced by Tue Madsen!