OT Black Album Live!

[kirkland]

Originally Posted by Darth Ridiculous

Not with "Gangland" on the tracklist!
Easily one of the top three worst songs Iron Maiden ever recorded with Bruce on vocals ...

I'll take Gangland over Don't Tread on Me, Nothing Else Matters, My Friend Misery, Through The Never, and every other lame song on The Black album

[Stompmosher]

Originally Posted by kirkland

I'll take Gangland over Don't Tread on Me, Nothing Else Matters, My Friend Misery, Through The Never, and every other lame song on The Black album

You are a drainer. Just keep draining it. You say arena rock? Well going by your definitions Metallica have always had some arena rock about them, then just hadn't got big enough at the time. Creeping death, For whom the bell tolls, Escape, Fade to Black, Sanitarium, Harvester of Sorrow, One, Shortest Straw could all have fit on the Black Album. Metallica got big on catchy choruses from the start. I suppose Blackened has proven to go down very well in the arenas too, just the same as anything from the Black Album. Sad but True, The God that Failed arena rock? Give me a break. You are so far in the minority in regards to anything Metallica that anything you say has become irrelevant or re-hashed with the same old tired argument.

[Darth Ridiculous]

Originally Posted by kirkland

I'll take Gangland over Don't Tread on Me, Nothing Else Matters, My Friend Misery, Through The Never, and every other lame song on The Black album

Agreed! Just sayin' Maiden's got at least three albums better than Number of the Beast, IMO.

[kirkland]

Originally Posted by Stompmosher

Creeping death, For whom the bell tolls, Escape, Fade to Black, Sanitarium, Harvester of Sorrow, One, Shortest Straw could all have fit on the Black Album.

Not one of those songs could have fit on the Black album. What the fuck are you talking about? Keep living in your fantasy world. I am sure The Black album was the first "metal" album you ever purchased so you hold it dear to your heart. Those of us who were Metallica fans long before that piece of garbage sell out record came out know that album was what turned Metallica into a bunch of pussies. The Black album was the gateway to the Load albums which I am sure you also think are excellent metal albums

[Joecephus]

[Anthrax_Mosher]

Originally Posted by Stompmosher

You are a drainer. Just keep draining it. You say arena rock? Well going by your definitions Metallica have always had some arena rock about them, then just hadn't got big enough at the time. Creeping death, For whom the bell tolls, Escape, Fade to Black, Sanitarium, Harvester of Sorrow, One, Shortest Straw could all have fit on the Black Album. Metallica got big on catchy choruses from the start. I suppose Blackened has proven to go down very well in the arenas too, just the same as anything from the Black Album. Sad but True, The God that Failed arena rock? Give me a break. You are so far in the minority in regards to anything Metallica that anything you say has become irrelevant or re-hashed with the same old tired argument.

Funny how you didnt name anything from Kill Em All.

Just sayin.

And even the untrained ear can hear the huge differences between the first 4 albums and the black album.

Just sayin again.

[Stompmosher]

4 horseman has a very catchy chorus BTW. Justice was my 1st Metallica Album and still my fave. There is difference for sure but there are elements of what was to come, always has been. Just like there are elements of the past on the Black Album, Struggle Within, Through the Never, Holier than Thou. I have a very trained ear, it's the untrained ear that can't hear that.

[Stompmosher]

Originally Posted by kirkland

Not one of those songs could have fit on the Black album. What the fuck are you talking about? Keep living in your fantasy world. I am sure The Black album was the first "metal" album you ever purchased so you hold it dear to your heart. Those of us who were Metallica fans long before that piece of garbage sell out record came out know that album was what turned Metallica into a bunch of pussies. The Black album was the gateway to the Load albums which I am sure you also think are excellent metal albums

Yes they could, you are so blinkered by your one sided opinions that you can't see it. I liked you better when you where IMFAN09. How lame is it that you hide under a new user name. How lame is it that you have to bring threads down. Why bother post a well worn opinion in the tread about something you hate? Seems like insanity to me, or you suffer from narcissistic personality disorder.

[Anthrax_Mosher]

Originally Posted by Stompmosher

Words.

[Stormwatch]

I see the double act of Anthrax Mosher and IMFan09/Kirkland are still spouting shite.

Good to know some things never change in Anthrax land.

[Stormwatch]

Why is IMFan posting under that Kirkland name anyway? Did he get banned?

[Anthrax_Mosher]

Stormwatch: "Stormwatch log onto board, Stormwatch make comment on board, disappear 6 month, that how work."

[the Medication]

Originally Posted by Stompmosher

Creeping death, For whom the bell tolls, Escape, Fade to Black, Sanitarium, Harvester of Sorrow, One, Shortest Straw could all have fit on the Black Album.

Not a fuckin chance! How can you compare those to the Black Album? And i'm saying this based on the songs, structure, writing, signatures, etc. - i.e. objective criteria:

Creeping Death has a tempo of like 220 bpm, powered by d-beat drums and shred solos! Where on the Black Album do they have such a similar formula? Shortest Straw?! Dude that's like 270 bpm! Also d-beats. I'm curious where the hell you here any similarity between this and TBA?! Fade to Black has instrumental choruses! One is almost 10 minutes. etc. etc.

There's also a massive difference in production... bass heavy

TBA is an album of simple song structures (generally intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, mid section, (verse,) chorus,) and slow groove tempos. Where's the staccato palm muting in TBA?

some people are weird

[kirkland]

Originally Posted by the Medication

Not a fuckin chance! How can you compare those to the Black Album? And i'm saying this based on the songs, structure, writing, signatures, etc. - i.e. objective criteria:

Creeping Death has a tempo of like 220 bpm, powered by d-beat drums and shred solos! Where on the Black Album do they have such a similar formula? Shortest Straw?! Dude that's like 270 bpm! Also d-beats. I'm curious where the hell you here any similarity between this and TBA?! Fade to Black has instrumental choruses! One is almost 10 minutes. etc. etc.

There's also a massive difference in production... bass heavy

TBA is an album of simple song structures (generally intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, mid section, (verse,) chorus,) and slow groove tempos. Where's the staccato palm muting in TBA?

some people are weird

The guy s a total moron plain and simple. The black album has absolutely no similarities to anything Metallica had ever done before it.

... And Justice of All was a heavy metal masterpiece, it was heavy, technical, fast, extremely complex and well executed.

The Black album was not heavy, not fast, not complex, and was a total commercial joke. How stompmosher can honestly listen to that album and think it is similar in any way shape or form to anything before it is beyond me. I know the guy is a moron but even with that being said I don't know what he is thinking

[Stompmosher]

Originally Posted by kirkland

The guy s a total moron plain and simple. The black album has absolutely no similarities to anything Metallica had ever done before it.

... And Justice of All was a heavy metal masterpiece, it was heavy, technical, fast, extremely complex and well executed.

The Black album was not heavy, not fast, not complex, and was a total commercial joke. How stompmosher can honestly listen to that album and think it is similar in any way shape or form to anything before it is beyond me. I know the guy is a moron but even with that being said I don't know what he is thinking

....and you are a coward hiding under a different username.

Yes the previous albums are more complex, I never disputed that. Escape are Bellz are very simple and could easily fit on the Black album as well as other I have mentioned. People like you focus on Sandman vs Battery rather than Escape vs Struggle within.

[Stompmosher]

Originally Posted by the Medication

Not a fuckin chance! How can you compare those to the Black Album? And i'm saying this based on the songs, structure, writing, signatures, etc. - i.e. objective criteria:

Creeping Death has a tempo of like 220 bpm, powered by d-beat drums and shred solos! Where on the Black Album do they have such a similar formula? Shortest Straw?! Dude that's like 270 bpm! Also d-beats. I'm curious where the hell you here any similarity between this and TBA?! Fade to Black has instrumental choruses! One is almost 10 minutes. etc. etc.

There's also a massive difference in production... bass heavy

TBA is an album of simple song structures (generally intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, mid section, (verse,) chorus,) and slow groove tempos. Where's the staccato palm muting in TBA?

some people are weird

Check the BPM for Through the Never please. Holier than Thou has staccato picking but check the BPM for that and Struggle too. Heavy downpicking for those songs like on previous albums, check on that while you're at it. Sad but True, heavy groove muck like The thing that should not Be is it not?

Tell me why they enjoy playing the old and new shit equally then if they sold out?

You guy are trend followers. You guys have become the things you hate, trend followers, Metallica bashing trend followers hahahahahaha. How does it feel?

Oh and BTW, there are more people in this world that think I'm right than think you're right, so I guess we are all wierd hey?

[Umodian]

Originally Posted by kirkland

The guy s a total moron plain and simple. The black album has absolutely no similarities to anything Metallica had ever done before it.

... And Justice of All was a heavy metal masterpiece, it was heavy, technical, fast, extremely complex and well executed.

The Black album was not heavy, not fast, not complex, and was a total commercial joke. How stompmosher can honestly listen to that album and think it is similar in any way shape or form to anything before it is beyond me. I know the guy is a moron but even with that being said I don't know what he is thinking

AJFA is not particularly technical nor is it complex. It's got long songs, so it must be progressive right? Not really no.

If you honestly can't hear the similarities at all then I don't know what to tell ya. It was there since MoP. They were always going for a heavier sound more akin to straight up heavy metal, they just went all out (more or less) on the black album.
You know, for such a praised "thrash" album, MoP really contains very little thrash.

Songs like 'Harvester of Sorrow', 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' and 'The Thing That Should Not Be' would feel right at home on the Black album.
Listen to 'Harvester of Sorrow' next to 'Through the Never' and tell me that doesn't sound similar. Or try 'The Thing...' next to 'The God That Failed', or 'Leper Messiah' next to 'Holier Than Thou'...
Sure, the songs are overall more stripped-down, but Metallica never really wrote very complex compositions in the first place.

I for one don't mind the black album and I don't view it as a "sell-out". I think it's got several things that work, several that don't, just like any other Metallica album in my mind. But I also don't view their pre-1991 output as "masterpieces" in any shape or form.

[resumurofnikufesin]

D-BEATS!!!!

You Tube

[the Medication]

Originally Posted by Stompmosher

Check the BPM for Through the Never please. Holier than Thou has staccato picking but check the BPM for that and Struggle too. Heavy downpicking for those songs like on previous albums, check on that while you're at it. Sad but True, heavy groove muck like The thing that should not Be is it not?

Tell me why they enjoy playing the old and new shit equally then if they sold out?

You guy are trend followers. You guys have become the things you hate, trend followers, Metallica bashing trend followers hahahahahaha. How does it feel?

Oh and BTW, there are more people in this world that think I'm right than think you're right, so I guess we are all wierd hey?

It feels good, thx.

"More people in this world that think you're right" LMFAO! what kind of fucking childish logic is that!? most people in this world think that britney spears is better than Anthrax. 'most people' are a bunch of dimwitted fucks.

[IamMrFabiaro]

All this hate towards the Black Album is really hurting my feelings...

[IamMrFabiaro]

Originally Posted by Umodian

I imagine things would be different if they didn't have such a ginormous fanbase and funding behind them.

Imagine? They would be trying so hard to impress, playing cover albums in their 'spare time' looking for extra cash,playing small clubs, keep on talking about the good ol'days when there was this band who helped them by lending them a freezer, trying all sorts of stunts like recording old songs with new style or getting involve with online poker games or even starting a side business like green tea or maybe ends up opening for a band from their own era who was luckier and ends up bigger...

[the Medication]

Originally Posted by Umodian

AJFA is not particularly technical nor is it complex. It's got long songs, so it must be progressive right? Not really no.

If you honestly can't hear the similarities at all then I don't know what to tell ya. It was there since MoP. They were always going for a heavier sound more akin to straight up heavy metal, they just went all out (more or less) on the black album.
You know, for such a praised "thrash" album, MoP really contains very little thrash.

Songs like 'Harvester of Sorrow', 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' and 'The Thing That Should Not Be' would feel right at home on the Black album.
Listen to 'Harvester of Sorrow' next to 'Through the Never' and tell me that doesn't sound similar. Or try 'The Thing...' next to 'The God That Failed', or 'Leper Messiah' next to 'Holier Than Thou'...
Sure, the songs are overall more stripped-down, but Metallica never really wrote very complex compositions in the first place.

I for one don't mind the black album and I don't view it as a "sell-out". I think it's got several things that work, several that don't, just like any other Metallica album in my mind. But I also don't view their pre-1991 output as "masterpieces" in any shape or form.

I think the problem here is what constitutes 'difference' - the concept of difference is relative.

I.e. for the untrained ear (untrained that is unfamiliar with heavy metal and rock), say an old man of 80 years. He can't tell the difference between Slipknot and At the Gates...it's all "just noise" to him. There's drums, bass guitars and loud screaming vocals, and for him, this similarity means they're all grouped under one concept - noise. For him, this type of music is so detached from his Pins n Needles et al., that it's all the same - in gains in definition according to his own context of sameness. How many people have you heard describe all metal as just noise. Now, when I listen to heavy metal (I only enjoy metal and classical) I here a completely different scape. The thing coming out the speakers is the same but we make different sense of it as I am learned in the genre and the old man is not. He misses the intricacies which comprise the music. I listen to almost all metal from Sabbath to Dark Funeral and Mayhem to Killswitch... I listen to music very theoretically, name the scale and mode that is being used when I hear a solo and riff, and so on. I identify certain patterns in the music which are germaine to certain genres across the ages - 'the genealogy of metal'.

Yes the Black Album has similarities to the earlier albums, but it depends what your criteria for determining difference is. Generally they occupy the same spectrum of music. It's the same four people as AJFA so of course it's gonna sound 'the same' to some degree. Risk sounds more like Peace Sells than it does Madonna Ray of Light... doesn't mean Risk sounds like Peace Sells, it depends on the context of comparison.

But the deeper you go, the more different it sounds. The only song that you list that I could possibly imagine POSSIBLy fitting on the Black Album is Bells...and that's being lenient. It would sound different. Would Jason have come up with that lead bass line? Pretty doubtful. It would have been different.

The Black Album generally is a stripped down Metallica, and I'm qouting Hetfield here in A Year and a Half in the LIfe of Metallica. He said the style changed, before it was about getting as many riffs as possible to work in a song, now [tBa - 1991] it was about using like 3 core but derivative riffs per song. That's what bands do when they want to grow bigger. I don't think they had any idea that the album would be so big. I think they also released the right album at the right time.

[Social Distortion]

Originally Posted by IamMrFabiaro

Imagine? They would be trying so hard to impress, playing cover albums in their 'spare time' looking for extra cash,playing small clubs, keep on talking about the good ol'days when there was this band who helped them by lending them a freezer, trying all sorts of stunts like recording old songs with new style or getting involve with online poker games or even starting a side business like green tea or maybe ends up opening for a band from their own era who was luckier and ends up bigger...

Come on don't be an asshole.

[Stompmosher]

Originally Posted by the Medication

It feels good, thx.

"More people in this world that think you're right" LMFAO! what kind of fucking childish logic is that!? most people in this world think that britney spears is better than Anthrax. 'most people' are a bunch of dimwitted fucks.

I'll rephrase that, more agree with me than don't. You're entitled to you opinion. I hate Britney Spears but to call people dimwitted fucks because they like it is immature lol..........they like it and that's that. If Bill Gates liked Britney, would he be a dimwitted fuck?

[kirkland]

Originally Posted by Stompmosher

I'll rephrase that, more agree with me than don't.

False. Most pre- black album Metallica fans, the die hard ones gave up on this band a long time ago. They are not even around to answser your stupid hypothetical poll question.

You think the Black album is "The perfect metal album" and I am here to tell you that you are a fucking moron