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Old January 27th, 2007, 04:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ive been thinking lately that my Mesa Mark IV is not cutting it anymore. I put a Maxon OD808 in front of it and I'm still not satisfied(Dont get me wrong, this amp is one of the best Ive had, but for in your face metal, Im not happy). People have been telling me to check out the Engl Powerball. What do you guys use for balls to the wall metal? Im also interested in hearing this new VHT Deliverance head. What does Andy use on most of his recordings?
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Old January 27th, 2007, 04:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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5150, dual rectumfryer, krank... and the list goes on...
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Old January 27th, 2007, 05:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Had a shootout recently of a:

Peavey JSX
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And the rectifier blew everyones' heads off. Unbelievable metal amp. I always tend to favor the Mesa gear. If you like the character of the Mark IV, it may be a logical step to check out the rectifiers.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 05:55 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I dig my Krank Revolution a lot. Andy used Kranks on the newest Arch Enemy and Nevermore albums and those are probably my two favorite heavy guitar tones that I've ever heard
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Old January 27th, 2007, 07:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I dig my Krank Revolution a lot. Andy used Kranks on the newest Arch Enemy and Nevermore albums and those are probably my two favorite heavy guitar tones that I've ever heard
+1 those two are why I have a Revolution...

I enjoy playing my Revolution as much or more than any I have.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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rectos were also used on doomsday machine and TGE
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Take any PODxt, set output to "Stack Pwramp", plug it into any power amplifier (+100W), and connect it to your favourite 4x12.

You can get any tone from Bitch Boys to Meshuggah, if you practise the tweaking a tad.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Take any PODxt, set output to "Stack Pwramp", plug it into any power amplifier (+100W), and connect it to your favourite 4x12.

You can get any tone from Bitch Boys to Meshuggah, if you practise the tweaking a tad.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 07:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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rectos were also used on doomsday machine and TGE
my DR and Revolution can be dialed very similarly.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 07:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
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rectos were also used on doomsday machine and TGE
Truth, but the snarl on those albums seems to be a characteristic of the Krank more so than the Mesa.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 09:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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So, Krank eh.,...end ervyone prefers the revolution over the krankenstein?
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Old January 28th, 2007, 09:55 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Diezel Herbert or VH4.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 03:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Diezel Herbert or VH4.
+1. And the SLO.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 03:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Diezel Herbert or VH4.
They're too expensive! I can't justify paying that much for an amp when I can get a 5150 for a third of the price. And I think it sounds better!
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Old January 29th, 2007, 09:33 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Before we go blindly recommending amps:

What are you going for tonally, and what is it you don't like about the Mark IV? What, specifically, is the Mark IV not doing for you?

If I may ask, what are your Mark IV settings? The Mark IV's controls are sort of counterintuitive compared to a more "normal" amp. It's very mid-heavy, to the point where you can't really dial out mids without the graphic EQ, and the amp's bass control adds more mud than anything past about three or four on the dial. And it's very dark without turning the treble up. Despite all these seeming "issues", the Mark IV is actually capable of a wide variety of tones due to the graphic EQ and power stage options.

I used the following settings with an EMG-loaded Jackson tuned to B or A for death metal with my Mark IV. With a boost pedal and the EMGs, it was the tightest thing going next to possibly a VHT.

Lead Channel, Full Power, Simul-class (Mesa EL34s and NOS GE 6L6GCs), Triode.

Lead gain- 8, Fat Pulled
Bass- 3
Mids- 4
Treble- 8
Lead drive- 6
Presence- varies, depending on room

Graphic EQ- Boost 80hz, cut 240hz, leave 800hz flat, boost 2200hz slightly, boost 6600hz.

Boost settings (I used a Boss SD-1): Level 5:00, tone 1:00, Gain 7:00

...and a cab with Vintage 30s.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 09:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for the settings man. But I think the Mark IV is getting the boot anyway. I looked at the Krank Revolution, and it blew me away. Im going to go try to tweak the Mark IV a little more, but it looks like the Krank is what Im gunning for.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 12:22 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Take any PODxt, set output to "Stack Pwramp", plug it into any power amplifier (+100W), and connect it to your favourite 4x12.

You can get any tone from Bitch Boys to Meshuggah, if you practise the tweaking a tad.
+1

Tubes man, run it through a tube head for maximum GHUN GHUN!
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Old January 30th, 2007, 12:36 AM   #18 (permalink)
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tried and true over and over again, the dual rectifier is the mighty of the mighty.

if you like the mark iv but aren't happy with the "metalness" then like moonlapse stated, you might like the dual recto.

if you can try to get one off ebay, the 2 ch dual rectifier from the early 90's has the most fabled recto sound. i have the road king series 1 myself and the ch3 on it according to mesa tech mike t. is a faithful reproduction of the 2 channels second distortion channel dubbed "orange"

it sounds great for balls metal. i also really like the "cut" you get on a road king when you engage the el34's in addition to the quad 6L6's especially in the vintage mode on ch3 with the rectifier setting to tube rectified.

sounds good with the right pups. i prefer my C tuned ibanez with dimarzio EVOS. sounds very very tight. or my ibanez 7 string with a dimarzio blaze in bridge
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Old January 30th, 2007, 05:42 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for the settings man. But I think the Mark IV is getting the boot anyway. I looked at the Krank Revolution, and it blew me away. Im going to go try to tweak the Mark IV a little more, but it looks like the Krank is what Im gunning for.
I'm definitely a Krank Revo fan...
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Old January 30th, 2007, 08:24 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Old January 30th, 2007, 09:31 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i understand your dillemma but i think the mark iv is such a great amp maybe you should look harder as to why you can't get a good tone. i have one on the way it is at mesa factory getting some work done on it and i've tried them before, you can get such a powerful tone out of it. tried it on my friends 60' LP w. emg 81/85 and i've tried with my 7 string with dimarzios, it sounded pretty brutal, and i didn't even know the tonal functions of the amp that well. i've been to couple of lamb of gods concerts, during soundcheck they sound very very heavy. unless you want a more saturated gain tone in which case it's not your amp. i gues it's me, i like more "less gain" tones. even on my road king dual recto in modern mode i keep the gain around halfway. i am able to get a very very tight and focused dark sound.
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