Big DI Shootout 10-300€ - Page 2

Torgal · December 29th, 2011, 01:52 AM

Thanks DeLuther for your help!
I also set my output level to unity gain, sometimes a little lower if I can't get it high enough. The ground lifts were always active to kill the 50Hz buzz.

Yesterday just before you posted I did some additional tests with the Millenium DI-E, JDI and Redeye. Honestly they all sounded pretty good and I couldn't determine a "winner". They all handle level and gain a little differently but by tweaking the amp every setup was pleasing. Only thing I noticed that it's hard to get a good amount of low end in. Any suggestions?

Every box was in some way noisy, but after I put the "Boss-Noisegate" from Guitar Rig over the original DI the noise was gone on the reamped track. As far as I can tell without any loss of quality on the reamped track. I'm also getting a different cable between audio interface and reamp box. So far I'm using an unbalanced 1m cable and I'm getting one with XLR to TRS. According to this review the old PCI-version of my interface, the ESI ESP 1010 could work balanced and unbalanced on it's output jacks. So I believe my newer version can still do that.

I'm not sure if the noise occurs only when the track is playing or in standby. I think it was there even in standby but I'll check that tonight.

So for all of it's features I'm going to get(keep) the Redeye (most probably).

So here's a little bit of audio for you to hear the current state of my progress. I've included the original DI-track for comparison.
Thank you all for your contribution and please comment on the audio files!

deLuther · December 29th, 2011, 03:51 AM

It will be interesting to see frequency response of this "reampers" (because some cases are DI in reverse, not actually reamp-boxes) into same Hi-Z input...
Maybe there is some lack of low end response.
I`m have relatively flat frequency response with my modified Radial ProRMP:

Radial ProRMP modification
But better to see with extended plot range:

Stock ProRMP have almost V1 mod response, only lower output level.

Torgal · December 29th, 2011, 04:14 AM

Hm, I doubt that's the case, because all boxes prety much sounded "neutral" and I haven't ever heared anybody complain about the Redeyes Low-End response.
What I did notice is that when reamping only trough the preamp (via FxSend) you cut out presence and countour controllers and depth boost buttons etc. This way you're lacking all the options of the poweramp to color the sound.
Is there a way around this?

Edit: I've seen the low end drop on your Pro RMP is around 50Hz and we usually cut the guitars at 60-70Hz to make room for the bassguitar. So this won't affect me nagatively. Maybe I wasn't precise about "low-end". I'm going to check the frequencies and find out where exactly my "low end" sits.

deLuther · December 29th, 2011, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torgal

Only thing I noticed that it's hard to get a good amount of low end in.

Maybe I did not understood this sentence right

Torgal · December 29th, 2011, 05:26 AM

Yeah my bad.

I'm relatively new to all the engineering stuff so I'm probably abusing one or the other technical term on my adventurous journey through the recording rabit hole.
In my own words I would describe it as low punch, growl, voluminous body, hairy balls.

The "thing" I'm going for is more present on the LeGion Vst-track.

Does that make any sense listening to the files?

Torgal · December 30th, 2011, 02:42 PM

I put my hiss/noise question into the big reamping thread along with some sample files.

As promised I examined the frequencies on the reamped tracks and the LeGion VST track and there is a drop
from around 250Hz to 500Hz. The top one is the Marshall and below that's the vst plugins. So maybe this
is the section where the "big hairy balls" are situated.

Can I simply EQ that back up and be fine?

Siguros · March 9th, 2012, 03:25 AM

Skip to 00:21 on all of the tracks, H, I and J all have a bit of noise/hiss at this point. G and K don't though.

Is that the problem you're talking about? Sounds like a cable is moving, or just due to them being cheaper boxes I'm not sure.

December 29th, 2011, 03:51 AM	#27 (permalink)
deLuther Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Russia Posts: 905	It will be interesting to see frequency response of this "reampers" (because some cases are DI in reverse, not actually reamp-boxes) into same Hi-Z input... Maybe there is some lack of low end response. I`m have relatively flat frequency response with my modified Radial ProRMP: Radial ProRMP modification But better to see with extended plot range: Stock ProRMP have almost V1 mod response, only lower output level. __________________ Caparison TAT SSH Red Sunset (Charvel Model 6, Charvel Fusion Plus)->Chris Custom Screamer->ENGL TubeToner e430->Randall RG75 Recording chain: Guitar->Digilab SPM-100->ESI Juli@ Reamping chain: Juli@->Radial ProRMP->Screamer->TubeToner->Randall->Shure SM58->Digilab->Juli@ Last edited by deLuther : December 29th, 2011 at 04:08 AM.

December 29th, 2011, 04:14 AM	#28 (permalink)
Torgal guitar nerd Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 67	Hm, I doubt that's the case, because all boxes prety much sounded "neutral" and I haven't ever heared anybody complain about the Redeyes Low-End response. What I did notice is that when reamping only trough the preamp (via FxSend) you cut out presence and countour controllers and depth boost buttons etc. This way you're lacking all the options of the poweramp to color the sound. Is there a way around this? Edit: I've seen the low end drop on your Pro RMP is around 50Hz and we usually cut the guitars at 60-70Hz to make room for the bassguitar. So this won't affect me nagatively. Maybe I wasn't precise about "low-end". I'm going to check the frequencies and find out where exactly my "low end" sits. Last edited by Torgal : December 29th, 2011 at 04:36 AM.

December 29th, 2011, 01:52 AM	#26 (permalink)
Torgal guitar nerd Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 67	Thanks DeLuther for your help! I also set my output level to unity gain, sometimes a little lower if I can't get it high enough. The ground lifts were always active to kill the 50Hz buzz. Yesterday just before you posted I did some additional tests with the Millenium DI-E, JDI and Redeye. Honestly they all sounded pretty good and I couldn't determine a "winner". They all handle level and gain a little differently but by tweaking the amp every setup was pleasing. Only thing I noticed that it's hard to get a good amount of low end in. Any suggestions? Every box was in some way noisy, but after I put the "Boss-Noisegate" from Guitar Rig over the original DI the noise was gone on the reamped track. As far as I can tell without any loss of quality on the reamped track. I'm also getting a different cable between audio interface and reamp box. So far I'm using an unbalanced 1m cable and I'm getting one with XLR to TRS. According to this review the old PCI-version of my interface, the ESI ESP 1010 could work balanced and unbalanced on it's output jacks. So I believe my newer version can still do that. I'm not sure if the noise occurs only when the track is playing or in standby. I think it was there even in standby but I'll check that tonight. So for all of it's features I'm going to get(keep) the Redeye (most probably). So here's a little bit of audio for you to hear the current state of my progress. I've included the original DI-track for comparison. Thank you all for your contribution and please comment on the audio files!

December 29th, 2011, 05:26 AM	#30 (permalink)
Torgal guitar nerd Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 67	Yeah my bad. I'm relatively new to all the engineering stuff so I'm probably abusing one or the other technical term on my adventurous journey through the recording rabit hole. In my own words I would describe it as low punch, growl, voluminous body, hairy balls. The "thing" I'm going for is more present on the LeGion Vst-track. Does that make any sense listening to the files?

December 30th, 2011, 02:42 PM	#31 (permalink)
Torgal guitar nerd Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 67	I put my hiss/noise question into the big reamping thread along with some sample files. As promised I examined the frequencies on the reamped tracks and the LeGion VST track and there is a drop from around 250Hz to 500Hz. The top one is the Marshall and below that's the vst plugins. So maybe this is the section where the "big hairy balls" are situated. Can I simply EQ that back up and be fine?

March 9th, 2012, 03:25 AM	#32 (permalink)
Siguros Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Newport, UK Posts: 359	Skip to 00:21 on all of the tracks, H, I and J all have a bit of noise/hiss at this point. G and K don't though. Is that the problem you're talking about? Sounds like a cable is moving, or just due to them being cheaper boxes I'm not sure.