The Ron Paul appreciation thread!

AD Chaos · December 3rd, 2011, 11:51 PM

Serious love for the man.. Makes me wish I was American, so I'd vote for him!

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Inform yourself:
http://www.ronpaul.com/

Ze4th0x · December 4th, 2011, 01:49 AM

eh...Only thing I can agree with him is some certain domestic issues. But Other than that, his fiscal and foreign policy is quite destructive if you look at it.
Cutting back military intelligence? Does he plan to run across the street with a blind fold on? He's all hype and no substance.

Only people voting for him I know are the piss poor and college libertarian kids, who can't seem to figure out there communications degree doesn't pay for their 100k+ college debt at an Ivy League.

Edit: Not trying to troll here, but this Ron Paul guy's politics really irritates me.

AllanD · December 4th, 2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ze4th0x

Only people voting for him I know are the piss poor and college libertarian kids, who can't seem to figure out there communications degree doesn't pay for their 100k+ college debt at an Ivy League.

lol

His laissez-faire ideals are insane. The Gilded age in American history is a great example of corporations with no regulations.

AD Chaos · December 4th, 2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ze4th0x

Other than that, his fiscal and foreign policy is quite destructive if you look at it.

His fiscal policy is destructive? Are you serious?

As for the foreign policy it makes A LOT of sense; protect YOUR borders and stop fabricating enemies around the world (sponsored, then aggressed by the military industry).

Loren Littlejohn · December 4th, 2011, 04:05 AM

Eh he has some good ideas, like getting rid of the Fed for one. But honestly I don't know enough about the dude to form an honest opinion of him yet.

RattyFiend · December 4th, 2011, 04:37 AM

Ron Paul owns. he will be getting my vote.

i understand some of his policies are hard to understand at first glance, read deeper into them and see why he has those beliefs. there is a good chance you will agree.

just take a look at his pristine voting record. this is the only guy with the balls to stand up for the constitution even when its not popular. even when he personally disagrees/agrees with a bill, if its not constitutional he votes against it.

it would be nice to finally have a man of principle in office.

RattyFiend · December 4th, 2011, 04:41 AM

oh, and the fact drinkingwithbob supports him.

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SocialNumb · December 4th, 2011, 06:42 AM

Damn Christian. The conspiracy crowd love this guy.

roy22341 · December 4th, 2011, 07:09 AM

Ron Paul is basically the exact opposite of what the "conspiracy crowd" believe. Its just that most them are too ignorant to realize it. What conspiracy theories does he espouse?

He is painfully consistent and honest, and upholds liberty and the Constitution above his personal values.

SocialNumb · December 4th, 2011, 07:57 AM

I don't know that he does. I doubt it. Just an observation on my part. Footage of him can be found in a lot of conspiracy vids. "They" seem to really like him.

Aaron Smith · December 4th, 2011, 05:20 PM

I have massive admiration for Ron Paul. The guy is brilliant and fantastically unchanged in his principles, despite spending years in Washington DC. He even resigned from the Republican party in 1987, because he was so disillusioned and dissatisfied by the hypocrisy in his own party. His resignation letter is downright inspiring, check it out: http://www.dailypaul.com/177575/ron-...party-document

I quietly judged him in my head for years, ignorantly making assumptions about him that were completely unjustified, but when I finally actually took the time to listen, read, and understand what he's all about, it had a profound influence on my view of government, politics, our monetary system, and the economy. Been about three years now. Reading his book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" for the first time was enthralling and magnetic to me, every American needs to read it.

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Originally Posted by SocialNumb

I don't know that he does. I doubt it. Just an observation on my part. Footage of him can be found in a lot of conspiracy vids. "They" seem to really like him.

That's because conspiracy theorists will blindly gravitate towards anything that paints reality to be different than it is most commonly considered to be. Thus, on occasion they will inadvertently gravitate towards something worthwhile and true (Ron Paul), while most of the time they are simply attracted to nonsense, jabbered on by other conspiracy theorists.

Using Ron Paul's alleged "popularity" among conspiracy theorists is not in the least bit a legitimate way to discredit him, you just have to dig in for yourself.

TesticleMilkshake · December 4th, 2011, 07:31 PM

http://youtu.be/d28IFaRvkJ8

I love Ron Paul, almost as much as I love Ralph Nader.

Ze4th0x · December 4th, 2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AD Chaos

His fiscal policy is destructive? Are you serious?

As for the foreign policy it makes A LOT of sense; protect YOUR borders and stop fabricating enemies around the world (sponsored, then aggressed by the military industry).

Well, trying to bring a superpower to the gold standard and making economic buying power of the US equal to about the 1850's won't help the jobs situation.

Rob Logic · December 4th, 2011, 08:59 PM

The way I see it is is the popular votes of the republican and democratic parties are ultimately very close in most presidential elections. Nearly half of the country is almost always going to be unhappy with it's elected president. The same goes for congress because they are always going to vote the party lines. Most people in any political office can't speak for themselves on much of anything of merit that matters to the people in the country.

Not saying I would vote for Ron Paul but it's good to at least know what you are getting with a candidate. We just need someone steadfast that will do what they campaign on so at least half the country is happy. I voted for Obama and he has done little to merit my vote a second time. I hope there is one day when the economy, health care, and job security aren't paramount concerns and I can rest a little easier.

Aaron Smith · December 5th, 2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ze4th0x

Well, trying to bring a superpower to the gold standard and making economic buying power of the US equal to about the 1850's won't help the jobs situation.

—The US economy prospered and grew immensely under a gold standard

—It's a fallacy that an endlessly liquid money supply is mandatory in order for economies to grow

—Ron Paul won't mandate a forced return to a gold standard, rather he advocates a repeal of legal tender laws, so that the market is allowed to transact business something other than Federal Reserve notes

AllanD · December 5th, 2011, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Logic

Not saying I would vote for Ron Paul but it's good to at least know what you are getting with a candidate. We just need someone steadfast that will do what they campaign on so at least half the country is happy. I voted for Obama and he has done little to merit my vote a second time. I hope there is one day when the economy, health care, and job security aren't paramount concerns and I can rest a little easier.

I'll give you that, his transparency is admirable.

SocialNumb · December 5th, 2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron Smith

That's because conspiracy theorists will blindly gravitate towards anything that paints reality to be different than it is most commonly considered to be. Thus, on occasion they will inadvertently gravitate towards something worthwhile and true (Ron Paul), while most of the time they are simply attracted to nonsense, jabbered on by other conspiracy theorists.

Using Ron Paul's alleged "popularity" among conspiracy theorists is not in the least bit a legitimate way to discredit him, you just have to dig in for yourself.

Oh I know why they like him. In three words: The Federal Reserve.

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Fits right into their whole NWO thing.

I wasn't trying to discredit the guy.

He's Christian, I won't be voting for him based on that alone.

Another vote in the trashcan.

Zack Uidl · December 5th, 2011, 07:34 AM

Ron Paul is definitely getting my vote, that is for sure

BrettT · December 5th, 2011, 10:54 AM

He's got some good ideas, but without a Congress to back him he'd never be able to get very many of them to come to fruition.

JeffTD · December 5th, 2011, 11:14 AM

I'll be voting for him in the primary, but his whole spiel about the US being a Christian nation, founded by Christians upon Christian principles is pure horseshit. I'm also not 100% onboard with his opinions on abortion, but I don't see his plan to let states regulate it really affect the current legal status of abortion.

TheWinterSnow · December 5th, 2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BrettT

He's got some good ideas, but without a Congress to back him he'd never be able to get very many of them to come to fruition.

That may be the case, however, if he is doing job and congress prevents him from doing so, those congressional officials and senators won't be getting reelected. There is a reason why congress and senate is voted in between the presidential election.

SocialNumb · December 5th, 2011, 11:58 AM

Is he a Creationist? I can't decide if he is or not. I know he doesn't believe in The Theory of Evolution and thinks a "Creator" (His) did it all but I haven't heard him say he believes in the creation myth in the Bible.

To me, this shows (if he is a creationist) a total lack of critical thinking skills and boarders on insanity, which could be a bad thing.

Edit: I should mention he excepts there is no proof for his "Creator".

Loren Littlejohn · December 5th, 2011, 02:08 PM

So far at least for me he seems to be the lesser of all the evils at the moment. Obama? Yeah fuck that I will not be voting for him, that asshole has nuked my health (read again, I said MY) insurance to hell and back and I think it sucks. Because of that retarded piece of shit bill I get to look forward to not being able to afford my medication next year and get to see the HRA account that the company setup a few years back either get flushed or severely restricted because of that crap piece of legislation.

DanLights · December 5th, 2011, 03:15 PM

So he doesn't "believe" in evolution? Quotes because you don't have to believe, there's tons of evidence to back it up, so honestly whoever denies that yet accepts the self-contradictory fairy tales of an old book out of pure inculcation, I can't really trust. I'm not American so I'm speaking out of my ass, but I figured I could give my opinion anyways.

And that Christian nation thing, bullshit, many of the founding fathers were atheist.

Aaron Smith · December 5th, 2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SocialNumb

Oh I know why they like him. In three words: The Federal Reserve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8

Fits right into their whole NWO thing.

I wasn't trying to discredit the guy.

He's Christian, I won't be voting for him based on that alone.

Another vote in the trashcan.

Well, the Federal Reserve IS immensely sketchy, and even more so to anyone who doesn't buy into Keynesian nonsense. The Federal Reserve Act was written in secret at JP Morgan's millionaire's estate, by bankers, for the benefit of the banks, and passed through Congress during Christmas vacation when there was low attendance. Beyond that, just look at the currency devaluation we've gone through in this country since 1913. Also, our insane debt burden simply could not have occurred without a central bank to monetize our nation's debts. Politicians make lofty promises to get elected, that they don't have to fund through things like taxation and balanced budgets, all made possible because of the Fed. And supposedly a small body of central planners know precisely what value our interest rates should be at any given time? The housing bubble wouldn't have occurred without the Fed's low interest rates. Trillions of dollars lent in secret to foreign central banks? Trillions pumped into the US economy to "save" it? I could go on and on...

As for Creationism, in one of his books he briefly talked about the subject, and I got the feeling that he was a lot like myself on the topic—that it is pointless to argue, and impossible to know precisely by what mechanism that God created the universe and life in it.

As for you elevating his Christianity to "deal breaker" status, regardless of all of his other principles, his track record, and his intellect, to me, this shows a total lack of critical thinking skills and boarders on insanity, which could be a bad thing

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Zack Uidl Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 1,364	Ron Paul is definitely getting my vote, that is for sure __________________ Zack Uidl zack@zackuidl.com www.zackuidl.com www.huntleyguitarlessons.com FREE guitar lessons available for a limited time!

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JeffTD Ballclap Supremus Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 10,931	I'll be voting for him in the primary, but his whole spiel about the US being a Christian nation, founded by Christians upon Christian principles is pure horseshit. I'm also not 100% onboard with his opinions on abortion, but I don't see his plan to let states regulate it really affect the current legal status of abortion. __________________ Arcana Recordings

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DanLights A Venezuelan in Europe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A Coruña, Spain Posts: 6,659	Re: The Ron Paul appreciation thread! So he doesn't "believe" in evolution? Quotes because you don't have to believe, there's tons of evidence to back it up, so honestly whoever denies that yet accepts the self-contradictory fairy tales of an old book out of pure inculcation, I can't really trust. I'm not American so I'm speaking out of my ass, but I figured I could give my opinion anyways. And that Christian nation thing, bullshit, many of the founding fathers were atheist. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/adintra Weekly Favorites - Currently Listening

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RattyFiend bree blargh reeeeee Join Date: May 2010 Location: Detroit MI Posts: 83	Ron Paul owns. he will be getting my vote. i understand some of his policies are hard to understand at first glance, read deeper into them and see why he has those beliefs. there is a good chance you will agree. just take a look at his pristine voting record. this is the only guy with the balls to stand up for the constitution even when its not popular. even when he personally disagrees/agrees with a bill, if its not constitutional he votes against it. it would be nice to finally have a man of principle in office.

December 4th, 2011, 07:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
roy22341 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 778	Ron Paul is basically the exact opposite of what the "conspiracy crowd" believe. Its just that most them are too ignorant to realize it. What conspiracy theories does he espouse? He is painfully consistent and honest, and upholds liberty and the Constitution above his personal values.

December 4th, 2011, 08:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rob Logic yayyyyyy! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 473	The way I see it is is the popular votes of the republican and democratic parties are ultimately very close in most presidential elections. Nearly half of the country is almost always going to be unhappy with it's elected president. The same goes for congress because they are always going to vote the party lines. Most people in any political office can't speak for themselves on much of anything of merit that matters to the people in the country. Not saying I would vote for Ron Paul but it's good to at least know what you are getting with a candidate. We just need someone steadfast that will do what they campaign on so at least half the country is happy. I voted for Obama and he has done little to merit my vote a second time. I hope there is one day when the economy, health care, and job security aren't paramount concerns and I can rest a little easier.

December 5th, 2011, 10:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
BrettT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,736	He's got some good ideas, but without a Congress to back him he'd never be able to get very many of them to come to fruition.