Your favourite Borknagar vocalist - Page 2

lefay82 · June 3rd, 2009, 03:22 AM

simen is unlistenable in those songs from the video...
i've never thought that vintersorg was a great live vocalist but at least you're able to recognise which song he is singing!

i've some problems also with his latest way of singing.
he has a really beautiful voice but i think he is going beyond his possibilities.
he has a warm and full voice when singing low-middle tones, while it becomes stretched and weak in higher tones.
in my opiniom the album where he is perfect is cosmic genesis (just listen to the enigmatic spirit) not too low not too high....just..PERFECT!

SiMuLaCrUm · June 3rd, 2009, 11:42 AM

I just really liked Garm's tone.

However, the reason why I like Mr. V a lot more than Vortex is the emotion he puts in the singing. I listen to the other 2 and don't hear much, but Mr. V is very passionate about it.
Garm is simply my favourite because I like his rustic clean vocals, very viking and epic. I also like his screams more than the others.

Vortex was good for Borknagar for what he did, no one else could really take his place on those songs.
Speaking of taking places, have any of you heard Vortex sing any of the Garm era songs? It's not too bad, but he screams in some different places than Garm did...

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SiMuLaCrUm · June 3rd, 2009, 04:09 PM

But Garm's voice was not over produced with Borknagar, or on Shadows of the Sun... The Sham Mirrors, yes, I agree it does sound to electronic.

Oh and I hate Dimmu Borgir, so pretty much anything they do to me sounds like crap... They ruined Vortex's voice by far.

Zephyrus · June 3rd, 2009, 08:15 PM

The fake Latin in your avatar offends me.

SiMuLaCrUm · June 4th, 2009, 07:51 AM

What is it supposed to say?

lefay82 · June 4th, 2009, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Archaic Con

Uh, Vintersorg singing simen era songs live is really bad. I mean really.

yes i know, i've seen the wacken concert's video....

but sadly there are not so many singers that are really good live.
i generally don't like live albums, i'm a great fan of concerts, i usually go from 10 to 20 concerts per year....but i love being there, seeing the show, tasting the music with my ears.... i don't like live cds or dvds. i've never bought one, neighter of my fav groups.
i went to see agalloch some months ago, and even if they are one of the bands i like mostly now, i've to say that hauhgm was totally out of tune for all the concert.
i can accept this if i'm there, because the concert has is own atmosphere and doesn't need to be flawless, it was also the first time for me seeing agalloch live, and has been one of the most intense musical experiences i've ever made, but honestly he had serious problems with intonation (maybe he could not hear himself?!?).
i was happy and satisfied with the concert, but if i wans't there i would never listen to it on a cd, i want a perfect product if i'm going to listen it in my stereo, that's why i don't buy live cds.

another example i can give you are falconer. i like mathias blad's voice. i think it is very beautiful and warm, an incredible full timber, his voice is what transforms (for me of course) an ordinary and a bit mediocre powermetal band (musically speaking) in a folkishmetal band that i like quite a lot.
but i've seen the videos from wacken and i tought "whaaaaat?????"

he was totally without voice and had big big problems with high notes...i was so disappointed

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Allfader · June 4th, 2009, 12:14 PM

The Falconer video was terrible!!! xDDD and not just the vocals! the guitars make some mistakes here and there too!

I don't hear power metal, except of them and a couple more of bands...At least they are not so bad as Dragonforce xD

@The Archaic: On live shows there're a lot of things that can make you perform bad. On big stages like Wacken those problems are the less, but still there's a chance to happen. Some bands have $$ to put a flawless equipment/people to sound always great, others not, or prefer to sound more naturally using less FX and such.

I agree to some extent about the Vortex's live performance now with Dimmu - downtuning the songs btw. On the past he wasn't so great. On Arcturus he wasn't flawless live, even on Shipwrecked in Oslo, where some vocals were re-recorded or altered on the final product. On inferno 2005 he wasn't great at all, but he is more solid than V live generally speaking.

note: Even I prefer Oyvind live for Arcturus over Simen.

lefay82 · June 4th, 2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allfader

I don't hear power metal, except of them and a couple more of bands...At least they are not so bad as Dragonforce xD

me too.
i discovered them just because the guitarist is the same of mithotyn

i listend to them and thought "not so bad for being power"

SiMuLaCrUm · June 4th, 2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Archaic Con

THE PRESENCE IS OMINOUS... but apparently that guy doesn't approve of the online translator I used :

Ah, OK. I can kind of see the cognates, but I don't know latin so... lol

Allfader · June 4th, 2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Archaic Con

I also think we're being a little harsh here... we can't really judge unless we do it ourselves so I dunno. Just as an observer I am giving my opinions, if they're coming off a bit strong to any members of the band/board my apologies.

Being honest it's not to being harsh IMO. Here you can find some real opinions instead the usual "OMGZ - insert singer name here - he is God!!"; " he is the best of the world!" and some other comment, of the worst kind.

About the power metal bands, recommend me some, altough I know the genre and most of them are the too way similar to each other, like the 'bagpipe' kind of folk metal bands (except In Extremo) - shit, I hate bagpipes xD

About Vortex... the Inferno bootleg is not good. I found better the Metalmania material. Shipwrecked still kick ass, at least the final edition is near flawless. I have a bootleg from France where he did a better job than Inferno.

I have 2 full concerts with Oyvind and he did a great job IMO. The songs from AHS and The Sham Mirrors were really great, specially Nightmare Heaven and Kinetic (also they played To Thou Who Dwellest..!!!). He was kinda weak on the LMI repertoire, where Vortex is stronger.

We'll have the chance to hear Mr V, Vortex and - hopefully - Lars on the same song, so that song will be a fantastic chance to compare and enjoy they voices.

Someone knows if Lars played live with Ásmegin? I wonder if there's a live bootleg with him.

SiMuLaCrUm · June 6th, 2009, 12:41 PM

V will probably do backing vocals with Lars if that happens. I hope.

SiMuLaCrUm · June 7th, 2009, 08:43 AM

Ah, yea I know what you mean.

They're hiding lol...
or lurking

Allfader · June 7th, 2009, 01:57 PM

@The Archaic: Thanx for the recommendations, but I know those bands quite well and only Symphony X is kinda interesting. BG-SA, Stratovarius, Rhapsody and such are very similar to each other and I don't like that style too much (specially in Sonata and Rhapsody). Kamelot has some decent stuff.

I found a good power metal band some time ago with a little celtic and progressive influence, called Wuthering Heights. They are, in my opinion, far better than the 'power metal classics'. Lost Horizon is pretty decent too.

About 'My Domain', I think Simen will do the lead vocals, but I don't think that he'll sing on more songs. I wonder how Simen will sound on the song.

SiMuLaCrUm · June 7th, 2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allfader

I found a good power metal band some time ago with a little celtic and progressive influence, called Wuthering Heights. They are, in my opinion, far better than the 'power metal classics'. Lost Horizon is pretty decent too.

You might like Wintersun....

A Vortex solo album? That would actually be kind of cool.

Allfader · June 8th, 2009, 12:53 PM

I know Wintersun and Ensiferum already and yes, they are more of my liking (on the Ensiferum case, just the 1st album which is very epic...when Jari left the band, it lost that viking epic feel, now they are more into folk influenced power metal for me).

Vortex said he had tons of written material , but Dimmu keeps him busy all the time... it's such a pity.

SiMuLaCrUm · June 9th, 2009, 07:52 AM

Ah, yea, I had forgotten about that statement.

Quote:

Vortex said he had tons of written material , but Dimmu keeps him busy all the time... it's such a pity.

Only one way to fix that

IntoPhagist · June 23rd, 2009, 12:29 AM

Vintersorg...Though I'd love to hear some modern recordings of Vortex..Dimmu Sucks and holds that man back.

Helge-Uwe · June 23rd, 2009, 05:42 AM

for me it is Vortex. Vintersorg is a great singer but only stands truly out for me on The Genuine Pulse concerning Borknagar and the Empiricism-album (which I think is my least favourite, except The Genuine Pulse, which is a masterpiece). On Epic there are way more songs I consider to be sung extraordinary well.

SiMuLaCrUm · June 23rd, 2009, 08:28 AM

Origin has some of Mr. V's best singing.
And I am saying that mostly because I do not like his screams too much.

Azzor1911 · June 23rd, 2009, 08:42 AM

I agree, his clean vocals on Origin and the other Borknagar albums are beautiful. Though I think it used to be even better, like on the older Vintersorg albums, and Havayoth. The kind of clean voice he never used in Borknagar, for some reason. or maybe his voice simply changed so much

Helge-Uwe · June 23rd, 2009, 09:02 AM

I can't really understand how a voice "can change" over a timespan of a decade maybe.. the same is for In Flames' Anders - I think Fridén and Vintersorg just do not want to sing as they did before anymore (which is a pity in both cases)

darcy · July 3rd, 2009, 10:03 AM

Vortex. Probably my biggest inspiration as a vocalist. I love all three though.

I want him to be the full-time singer of a band again, the little nuggets of awesome in his Dimmu Borgir work still do not make it worth digging through the nuggets of poop around them.

I think Garm's non-Bork work is my least favourite though. People always talk about how Vintersorg's voice has changed, but I think his range has just expanded. Garm has certainly had the greatest shift in actual style.

darcy · July 3rd, 2009, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allfader

I know Wintersun and Ensiferum already and yes, they are more of my liking (on the Ensiferum case, just the 1st album which is very epic...when Jari left the band, it lost that viking epic feel, now they are more into folk influenced power metal for me).

Jari leaving that band was the worst thing to happen to it. It's like a hockey team losing their star forward and replacing him with a zamboni. Petri can't even come close to his talents as a lead guitarist, clean vocalist or lyricist.

~Derek~ · July 6th, 2009, 12:56 PM

Garm. Vintervredets Sjelesagn is my favorite Garm song I've heard from Borknagar.

Mon Cher Personne · July 10th, 2009, 02:37 PM

1. Simen
2. Garm
3. Andreas

They all is superb & cult vocalists.

View Poll Results: Your favourite Borknagar vocalist
Garm (Kristoffer Rygg)	8	16.00%
ICS Vortex (Simen Hestnaes)	24	48.00%
Vintersorg (Andreas Hedlund)	18	36.00%
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June 3rd, 2009, 03:22 AM	#26 (permalink)
lefay82 Per aspera ad astra Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: italy Posts: 1,182	simen is unlistenable in those songs from the video... i've never thought that vintersorg was a great live vocalist but at least you're able to recognise which song he is singing! i've some problems also with his latest way of singing. he has a really beautiful voice but i think he is going beyond his possibilities. he has a warm and full voice when singing low-middle tones, while it becomes stretched and weak in higher tones. in my opiniom the album where he is perfect is cosmic genesis (just listen to the enigmatic spirit) not too low not too high....just..PERFECT! __________________ Last edited by lefay82 : June 3rd, 2009 at 03:24 AM.

June 3rd, 2009, 08:15 PM	#29 (permalink)
Zephyrus Tyrants And Slaves Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 20,632	The fake Latin in your avatar offends me. __________________ Music Blog - Updated 3/13/10 Latest review: Burzum - Belus XANTHUS / VERGIL'S INFERNO

June 4th, 2009, 12:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
Allfader Session fretless bassist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: White Falling Room Posts: 1,096	The Falconer video was terrible!!! xDDD and not just the vocals! the guitars make some mistakes here and there too! I don't hear power metal, except of them and a couple more of bands...At least they are not so bad as Dragonforce xD @The Archaic: On live shows there're a lot of things that can make you perform bad. On big stages like Wacken those problems are the less, but still there's a chance to happen. Some bands have $$ to put a flawless equipment/people to sound always great, others not, or prefer to sound more naturally using less FX and such. I agree to some extent about the Vortex's live performance now with Dimmu - downtuning the songs btw. On the past he wasn't so great. On Arcturus he wasn't flawless live, even on Shipwrecked in Oslo, where some vocals were re-recorded or altered on the final product. On inferno 2005 he wasn't great at all, but he is more solid than V live generally speaking. note: Even I prefer Oyvind live for Arcturus over Simen. __________________ "Han ofra sitt auge, for at fjan skulle sjå Han blødde for dei som til slutt lot han rå. Men ingen lovnad ei ga ham, det vart ingen fred. Dei skal fframleis kjempa, til jorda sig ned" http://www.myspace.com/veraguaschile http://www.myspace.com/forestfather

June 7th, 2009, 01:57 PM	#38 (permalink)
Allfader Session fretless bassist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: White Falling Room Posts: 1,096	@The Archaic: Thanx for the recommendations, but I know those bands quite well and only Symphony X is kinda interesting. BG-SA, Stratovarius, Rhapsody and such are very similar to each other and I don't like that style too much (specially in Sonata and Rhapsody). Kamelot has some decent stuff. I found a good power metal band some time ago with a little celtic and progressive influence, called Wuthering Heights. They are, in my opinion, far better than the 'power metal classics'. Lost Horizon is pretty decent too. About 'My Domain', I think Simen will do the lead vocals, but I don't think that he'll sing on more songs. I wonder how Simen will sound on the song. __________________ "Han ofra sitt auge, for at fjan skulle sjå Han blødde for dei som til slutt lot han rå. Men ingen lovnad ei ga ham, det vart ingen fred. Dei skal fframleis kjempa, til jorda sig ned" http://www.myspace.com/veraguaschile http://www.myspace.com/forestfather

June 8th, 2009, 12:53 PM	#40 (permalink)
Allfader Session fretless bassist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: White Falling Room Posts: 1,096	I know Wintersun and Ensiferum already and yes, they are more of my liking (on the Ensiferum case, just the 1st album which is very epic...when Jari left the band, it lost that viking epic feel, now they are more into folk influenced power metal for me). Vortex said he had tons of written material , but Dimmu keeps him busy all the time... it's such a pity. __________________ "Han ofra sitt auge, for at fjan skulle sjå Han blødde for dei som til slutt lot han rå. Men ingen lovnad ei ga ham, det vart ingen fred. Dei skal fframleis kjempa, til jorda sig ned" http://www.myspace.com/veraguaschile http://www.myspace.com/forestfather

June 23rd, 2009, 12:29 AM	#42 (permalink)
IntoPhagist FloriiiiiiiooooooOOO! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York City and Around Posts: 1,663	Vintersorg...Though I'd love to hear some modern recordings of Vortex..Dimmu Sucks and holds that man back. __________________ Hello there!

June 23rd, 2009, 05:42 AM	#43 (permalink)
Helge-Uwe Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 87	for me it is Vortex. Vintersorg is a great singer but only stands truly out for me on The Genuine Pulse concerning Borknagar and the Empiricism-album (which I think is my least favourite, except The Genuine Pulse, which is a masterpiece). On Epic there are way more songs I consider to be sung extraordinary well.

June 23rd, 2009, 08:42 AM	#45 (permalink)
Azzor1911 Lone Walker Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: City 17 Posts: 859	I agree, his clean vocals on Origin and the other Borknagar albums are beautiful. Though I think it used to be even better, like on the older Vintersorg albums, and Havayoth. The kind of clean voice he never used in Borknagar, for some reason. or maybe his voice simply changed so much

June 23rd, 2009, 09:02 AM	#46 (permalink)
Helge-Uwe Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 87	I can't really understand how a voice "can change" over a timespan of a decade maybe.. the same is for In Flames' Anders - I think Fridén and Vintersorg just do not want to sing as they did before anymore (which is a pity in both cases)

July 3rd, 2009, 10:03 AM	#47 (permalink)
darcy Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 460	Vortex. Probably my biggest inspiration as a vocalist. I love all three though. I want him to be the full-time singer of a band again, the little nuggets of awesome in his Dimmu Borgir work still do not make it worth digging through the nuggets of poop around them. I think Garm's non-Bork work is my least favourite though. People always talk about how Vintersorg's voice has changed, but I think his range has just expanded. Garm has certainly had the greatest shift in actual style. __________________ Listen to Sylvus, epic extreme metal!

July 6th, 2009, 12:56 PM	#49 (permalink)
~Derek~ Optimistic Christmas Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 4,355	Garm. Vintervredets Sjelesagn is my favorite Garm song I've heard from Borknagar. __________________ My black metal band's MySpace www.myspace.com/bloodredmoonmetal

July 10th, 2009, 02:37 PM	#50 (permalink)
Mon Cher Personne Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mother Russia Posts: 25	1. Simen 2. Garm 3. Andreas They all is superb & cult vocalists.