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Old October 26th, 2006, 09:40 PM   #1626 (permalink)
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Those drum fills were Jaska-tacular.
btw I liked your solo the most, I have a question, you know the last part of it, you did a harmonized diminished run(atleast it sounded like it), if at all possible, could you explain to me like how you know which diminished scale to incorporate over which chord. So the rhythm behind it was G#(thinking in E standard not D), so like is the diminished run based over the G#, or the overall C# rhythm? And how did you harmonize it? Diatonic Harmonization in minor scales is getting kinda boring for me, so I am trying to learn new things. Thanks
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Old October 26th, 2006, 09:45 PM   #1627 (permalink)
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I love Paul Gilbert. He's my favourite guitarist technically, and Alexi is my favourite on a compositional note. I look that firts pattern from some Alexi does all the time, and the string skipping is a Racer X style thing, you were right.

I think I have a few jam tracks but they're not metal/rock so I'll have to write some out or something.

Did anyone notice how I ended it?
LoL I should have looked at your sig first before I asked that question. Yeah that first lick I noticed alexi does a lot, especially in like Mask of Sanity and Bastards of Bodom.

Hey also, if you made some jam tracks I think it would be beneficial for the forum as well. Like if you made some progressions in a lot of the common progressions first like you know E minor, phrygian, major, and then for like the common progressions like E, D, A, and stuff, that would be soo cool. I am not imposing anything on you, I am just saying like it would be a next step or something if you have already tabbed most bodom songs, but you already done so much as far as tabbing goes so good job and thnx a bunch to you
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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:09 PM   #1628 (permalink)
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btw I liked your solo the most, I have a question, you know the last part of it, you did a harmonized diminished run(atleast it sounded like it), if at all possible, could you explain to me like how you know which diminished scale to incorporate over which chord. So the rhythm behind it was G#(thinking in E standard not D), so like is the diminished run based over the G#, or the overall C# rhythm? And how did you harmonize it? Diatonic Harmonization in minor scales is getting kinda boring for me, so I am trying to learn new things. Thanks
I realise that I'm not Ben Johnson, but I can help.

This song is in the key of C#min (C#, D#, E, F#, G#, A, B, C#).

The last section of this backing track is G# major (G#, B#, D#). Over this, the best scale to use would be C# harmonic minor (C#, D#, E, F#, G#, A, B#, C#).

Now if you want to play a diminished run like in Ben's solo or any Malmsteen solo etc, you can figure out which frets to use but starting a diminished lick on the #7th of the harmonic minor scale. In this case, it's B# so play a diminished lick starting on B#, then you can move it up and down (by 3 frets each time of course) and start wherever you want.

Here's a C# (the root):

E-9-
B---

The #7th in this scale would be on the 8th fret so you could play something like this:

E-8-5---5--11-8------8--14-11----11--17-14----14-
B----7-7-------10--10--------13-13--------16-16---
G-----8----------11------------14-----------17----- etc

Also, another way to find your note that you can start on, is to play the major chord which is a 4th lower than your root chord (the key). Basically, in this C#min piece, you'd play a G#major. Then, just simply find the major3rd and that's your note, which is also the raised 7th of the harmonic minor scale that's diatonic to that key. So there's 2 ways of working it out. If you actually sit there with a guitar and do this, it won't seem so confusing.


In terms of harmonising, you can use 3 frets apart or 6, 9, 12, 15 etc because being a fully diminished arpeggio, all the intervals are minor 3rds so you can harmonise it with the same shape in any inversion. (What I tabbed above are the inversions of a fully diminished arpeggio).

Using anything else for this arpeggio might not sound great though so that's your best bet. Ben used 6 frets strictly when harmonising although he fingering the arpeggios differently in each part so it might not be obvious just by looking at it.


For the backing track thing, what kinda style do you want, what speeds etc?
Give me a rough idea.

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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:19 PM   #1629 (permalink)
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Great job on that Mitch! . When I listened to it again, I realized mine didnt sound quite the way I thought at the beginning .

I think it would be really cool if we could do it again sometime.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:25 PM   #1630 (permalink)
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I realise that I'm not Ben Johnson, but I can help.

This song is in the key of C#min (C#, D#, E, F#, G#, A, B, C#).

The last section of this backing track is G# major (G#, B#, D#). Over this, the best scale to use would be C# harmonic minor (C#, D#, E, F#, G#, A, B#, C#).

Now if you want to play a diminished run like in Ben's solo or any Malmsteen solo etc, you can figure out which frets to use but starting a diminished lick on the #7th of the harmonic minor scale. In this case, it's B# so play a diminished lick starting on B#, then you can move it up and down (by 3 frets each time of course) and start wherever you want.

Here's a C# (the root):

E-9-
B---

The #7th in this scale would be on the 8th fret so you could play something like this:

E-8-5---5--11-8------8--14-11----11--17-14----14-
B----7-7-------10--10--------13-13--------16-16---
G-----8----------11------------14-----------17----- etc

Also, another way to find your note that you can start on, is to play the major chord which is a 4th lower than your root chord (the key). Basically, in this C#min piece, you'd play a G#major. Then, just simply find the major3rd and that's your note, which is also the raised 7th of the harmonic minor scale that's diatonic to that key. So there's 2 ways of working it out. If you actually sit there with a guitar and do this, it won't seem so confusing.


In terms of harmonising, you can use 3 frets apart or 6, 9, 12, 15 etc because being a fully diminished arpeggio, all the intervals are minor 3rds so you can harmonise it with the same shape in any inversion. (What I tabbed above are the inversions of a fully diminished arpeggio).

Using anything else for this arpeggio might not sound great though so that's your best bet. Ben used 6 frets strictly when harmonising although he fingering the arpeggios differently in each part so it might not be obvious just by looking at it.


For the backing track thing, what kinda style do you want, what speeds etc?
Give me a rough idea.
Wow, that makes perfect sense. Thanks a bunch man! A quick question, so you basically dissect the notes of both rhythms then find which scale they fit in? So lets say when you dissect it, yo uknow, whatever, its like a D mixolydian or something, I don't know if a diminished would fit over it good, but would you again do it on the 7th of that scale. Is the diminished scale applied to only the 7ths?

Like both maybe? A fast one for just shredding, and a slower mid tempo one for like you know slower more melodic and emphazising the phrasing. Again, I don't want to force you to do anything, but like you know, it would also help out the forum too. haha I sound like a little prick. But yeah, like a slow one for slower solos and fast one for shred type things. So could you first do like (in D standard, so I will be talking as if in E standard, but in D in actuality), like the common E that bodom uses, and then maybe a B? If you do , you are awesome man

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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:45 PM   #1631 (permalink)
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Yeah, thanks for answering that, Mitch. I have no idea what I'm doing, really - I just play whatever sounds right.
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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:48 PM   #1632 (permalink)
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Yeah, thanks for answering that, Mitch. I have no idea what I'm doing, really - I just play whatever sounds right.
haha yea,sometimes I'm just messing around and my guitar teacher was like,
"what was that?"
"I was just messing around"
"that was a diatonic fluctual shifting paradox run"
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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:50 PM   #1633 (permalink)
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haha yea,sometimes I'm just messing around and my guitar teacher was like,
"what was that?"
"I was just messing around"
"that was a diatonic fluctual shifting paradox run"
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Old October 26th, 2006, 10:51 PM   #1634 (permalink)
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Wow, that makes perfect sense. Thanks a bunch man! A quick question, so you basically dissect the notes of both rhythms then find which scale they fit in? So lets say when you dissect it, yo uknow, whatever, its like a D mixolydian or something, I don't know if a diminished would fit over it good, but would you again do it on the 7th of that scale. Is the diminished scale applied to only the 7ths?

Like both maybe? A fast one for just shredding, and a slower mid tempo one for like you know slower more melodic and emphazising the phrasing. Again, I don't want to force you to do anything, but like you know, it would also help out the forum too. haha I sound like a little prick. But yeah, like a slow one for slower solos and fast one for shred type things. So could you first do like (in D standard, so I will be talking as if in E standard, but in D in actuality), like the common E that bodom uses, and then maybe a B? If you do , you are awesome man
If you have a D Mixolydian lick and you want to play a diminished arpeggio next, you should figure out the key first.

OK you said D Mixolydian? That's the 5th mode of the major scale so if a D note is the 5th, a G note would be the key, you'd be in G major, right?

Now I said last time about starting on the #7th of the harmonic minor, but first you need to find the natural minor. In G major, the relative natural minor is Emin (E,F#,G,A,B,C,D,E). So if D is the 7th, D# much be the #7th (harmonic minor) so I THINK you'd base a diminished lick around that and move it up/down by 3 frets like last time.

I'm not positive on this like I was last time but it makes sense if you compare it with my other example.

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Great job on that Mitch! . When I listened to it again, I realized mine didnt sound quite the way I thought at the beginning .

I think it would be really cool if we could do it again sometime.
Hehe yeah, that synth I put in there really highlights accidentals. That's why I was trying to point out to everyone to stick with a diatonic solo.

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Old October 27th, 2006, 02:39 AM   #1635 (permalink)
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Did anyone notice how I ended it?
...Mask Of Sanity.

Edit: Meh.

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Old October 27th, 2006, 07:22 AM   #1636 (permalink)
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Nice work warheart ! I have no idea what you meant with the comment "Take it away Inhe" though

Still, really nice work, i'm looking forward to doing something like this again!
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Old October 27th, 2006, 08:55 AM   #1637 (permalink)
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Not you dude, "idiot" was Merrild. I don't know why he felt the need to come in and post what he did but it obviously sparked some off-topic stuff.
Yeah!! well its ok Mitch ^^
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Old October 27th, 2006, 09:13 AM   #1638 (permalink)
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chillz dudes, etwas a juke...anyways..really nice solos ! hails to all the solo dudes
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Old October 27th, 2006, 09:28 AM   #1639 (permalink)
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Nice work warheart ! I have no idea what you meant with the comment "Take it away Inhe" though

Still, really nice work, i'm looking forward to doing something like this again!
Well it's a solo jam and you were first up so "take it away" just means go, basically. Lead the way.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 09:51 AM   #1640 (permalink)
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any one got a tab for The Fourth World by Sinergy or wants to help me out??
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Old October 27th, 2006, 10:10 AM   #1641 (permalink)
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There's a tab for RETURN to the Fourth world and PASSAGE to the Fourth world...
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:57 PM   #1642 (permalink)
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Touch like angel of death tab please? I know theres a good live version of it somewhere..but msb has closed down so
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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:08 PM   #1643 (permalink)
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C'mon people, read the first post.

"Check first on www.911tabs.com to see if what you want is there first.

http://911tabs.com/tabs/c/children_o..._death_tab.htm
http://911tabs.com/tabs/c/children_o...h_live_tab.htm
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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:22 PM   #1644 (permalink)
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Well it's a solo jam and you were first up so "take it away" just means go, basically. Lead the way.
Ye, kinda figured.

And www.gprotab.net also has alot of tabs!
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Ye, kinda figured.

And www.gprotab.net also has alot of tabs!
I tried to get angels dont kill tab off of gprotab.net and its an unrecognized file tipe "streamtab" or something like that

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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:32 PM   #1646 (permalink)
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Get gp5 and it will work!
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Ye, kinda figured.

And www.gprotab.net also has alot of tabs!
Yeah thanks for that, I wanted a GP tab sorry not for saying that.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 02:06 PM   #1648 (permalink)
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911tabs is an archive of everything on the net. Ultimate-guitar is just as good.
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Get gp5 and it will work!
I have gp4 and gp5 both installed lol... any other suggestions? thanks
also, i've noticed tabs on some sites that haven't been available on 911tabs
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Yeah, for some reason i downloaded the streamtab and opened it in GP5, it worked

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My friend has that problem, try downloading them. Then start guitar pro 5 and then open the tab from the program, and not from windows directly.
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