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Siren · January 14th, 2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil' Bloodred Ridin' Hood

Germans will obviously have a better reputation than say (no offense) Colombians..

..or those from Costa Rica.

Nt3N · January 14th, 2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Siren

..or those from Costa Rica.

ahahahah....

nationality has nothing to do with reputation imho.
honesty is not written in blood. cheaters can be from any country.

dreamlore999 · January 14th, 2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nt3N

ahahahah....

nationality has nothing to do with reputation imho.
honesty is not written in blood. cheaters can be from any country.

i second that. i didn't decide to trust the person in question on the basis of any equation "german=honest", same as SHOULD this story end the bad way it won't make me trust German people less.

Siren · January 14th, 2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nt3N

nationality has nothing to do with reputation imho.
honesty is not written in blood. cheaters can be from any country.

true.
but i need to make clear one thing: i said what i said cause i have noted in other LBRH posts as well faint hints of race slurs.
and that makes me angry.

dreamlore999 · January 15th, 2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nt3N

it's probably fake. as far as I know, that dt demo was made in 2 versions: white cassette, totally transparent cassette. I own the second version. but i've never seen a black-cassette version. the feedback isn't much encouraging, and what they say on that forum seems true to me.

just found this...

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=4019

it looks like the same black-cassette to me...

Nt3N · January 15th, 2008, 03:38 PM

mmm, yes indeed. well this is the first time I see this (besides yours, of course). I wouldn't know what to say... maybe try asking Niklas if he remembers whether it was printed in black as well, or not. just to be 100% sure.

Jolty · January 15th, 2008, 09:16 PM

I don't know, if you look really closely, the two tapes have some differences. Not only is the real one labelled, but the tapes themselves have different marks on them. Also, his picture was taken in 2005, which doesn't really make sense to me. :/

Nt3N · January 16th, 2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolty

I don't know, if you look really closely, the two tapes have some differences. Not only is the real one labelled, but the tapes themselves have different marks on them. Also, his picture was taken in 2005, which doesn't really make sense to me. :/

well.. mine is not labelled, but I'm sure it's original, as I bought it from a trustworthy collector.

dreamlore999 · January 16th, 2008, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolty

I don't know, if you look really closely, the two tapes have some differences. Not only is the real one labelled, but the tapes themselves have different marks on them. Also, his picture was taken in 2005, which doesn't really make sense to me. :/

I don't really know, everything could be...anyway different light can make things look slightly different...as for the date of the photo, I don't see how this could constitute a proof of anything or a reason to doubt.
About the label, of course I noticed that difference...in my attempt to find justifications to it I could only come up with very weak arguments...say, the owner wasn't much of a careful collector and the label came off (but then a serious seller would probably mention that) or...the label on the metal-archives version was put on by the owner not by the band...or...some copies are labelled some are not depending on the more/less lazy band member who back then technically distributed them...
well, I don't believe myself that much in these hypothesis...but what I am doing (and you guys are helping me a lot in this ) is considering the problem from any possibile angulation, so...

anyway I followed Nt3N's advice and directly asked Niklas to shed some light on this...obviously as we know he's not exactly home right now it may take him some time before he can answer

Siren · January 16th, 2008, 02:04 PM

@dream: just tell your self that it is not fake.

Nt3N · January 16th, 2008, 04:05 PM

please tell us what niklas will tell you =)

JUMPINMETALLICA · January 17th, 2008, 12:26 AM

yes I am interested. I have 2 tapes: transparent and black. And the black one really doesn't look like a fake.

GONE Ridin' Hood · January 17th, 2008, 01:07 AM

^ Care to give/sell one to me? Please?

JUMPINMETALLICA · January 17th, 2008, 02:53 AM

no sorry , for me the black and the transparent are two differents items in my collection , so I don't sell any of them

Nt3N · January 17th, 2008, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JUMPINMETALLICA

no sorry , for me the black and the transparent are two differents items in my collection , so I don't sell any of them

u know there's even a third one.. with a white cassette... 3 editions of the same item them...

JUMPINMETALLICA · January 17th, 2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nt3N

u know there's even a third one.. with a white cassette... 3 editions of the same item them...

yes I know that , thanks. I still search this f*****g third cassette !!!

GONE Ridin' Hood · January 17th, 2008, 12:15 PM

^ Damn

, three cassettes and I don't even own one

.

Oh well I'd reckon that DT's collection is easiear and cheaper to complete than say... Mötorhead or Maiden

.

Siren · January 17th, 2008, 12:30 PM

This would be very fun if back then DT would just buy any type of tape they found in the store at a given time.

dreamlore999 · January 22nd, 2008, 03:01 AM

hi guys, i'm back with niklas' reply over the demo question (he will reply further on the forum as soon as he's back home)
what niklas wrote anyway leaves me some hope, since he says it might be an authentic tape:

"Most of the cassettes we used where white, but there definitely have been cases where we've sent away the demo on black tapes, even if those were a minority. The "real" sign of whether or not it's the real deal is actually the inlay. If it's printed on glossy paper, it's authentic.

That said, it could of course be very easy these days to make an almost identical copy of both the cassette and the inlay on glossy paper. There really is not 100% sure way of identifying a demo."

this is it...I will post photos of the real object as soon as I have it in my hands

Nt3N · January 22nd, 2008, 01:25 PM

fuck... mine is not glossy paper.. it's thick but ordinary paper...

FUCK
but my seller is a trustworthy one....!

dreamlore999 · January 22nd, 2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nt3N

fuck... mine is not glossy paper.. it's thick but ordinary paper...

FUCK
but my seller is a trustworthy one....!

i don't know what to say, man...i guess the only thing to do is wait for niklas to be back and see what he says

Caotico · January 23rd, 2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamlore999

i don't know what to say, man...i guess the only thing to do is wait for niklas to be back and see what he says

plintus · January 23rd, 2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Caotico

another jewel

Caotico · January 23rd, 2008, 04:15 AM

Sorry Nico, couldn't resist. :P

I'm afraid that I can't give any positive news here. I'm 100% sure that all the demos we sent out had those glossy inlays, regardless of the cassettes used. Maybe there were some distributors making their own copies with our permission (though I can't remember this), but if the definition of an "authentic" demo is one that was bought directly from us, I'm sorry to say that this isn't one.

Nt3N · January 23rd, 2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Caotico

Sorry Nico, couldn't resist. :P

I'm afraid that I can't give any positive news here. I'm 100% sure that all the demos we sent out had those glossy inlays, regardless of the cassettes used. Maybe there were some distributors making their own copies with our permission (though I can't remember this), but if the definition of an "authentic" demo is one that was bought directly from us, I'm sorry to say that this isn't one.

ehehe no problem :P

I see.... pretty disappointing really..

I guess now I can't sell it back on ebay... and I already left feedback for it

edit: fuck it.. I think I'm gonna sell it back on ebay and get my money back.... I spent 40 euros for it goddamit!

January 15th, 2008, 03:38 PM	#56 (permalink)
Nt3N Dark Tranquillity Italia Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mestre (Venice) Posts: 1,466	mmm, yes indeed. well this is the first time I see this (besides yours, of course). I wouldn't know what to say... maybe try asking Niklas if he remembers whether it was printed in black as well, or not. just to be 100% sure. __________________ Dark Tranquillity Italia email: nt3n [at] darkillity [dot] net myspace: myspace.com/dtitalia

January 16th, 2008, 02:04 PM	#60 (permalink)
Siren dead to this world Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: unfortunately, still here Posts: 9,341	@dream: just tell your self that it is not fake. __________________ fishit

January 16th, 2008, 04:05 PM	#61 (permalink)
Nt3N Dark Tranquillity Italia Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mestre (Venice) Posts: 1,466	please tell us what niklas will tell you =) __________________ Dark Tranquillity Italia email: nt3n [at] darkillity [dot] net myspace: myspace.com/dtitalia

January 17th, 2008, 12:30 PM	#68 (permalink)
Siren dead to this world Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: unfortunately, still here Posts: 9,341	This would be very fun if back then DT would just buy any type of tape they found in the store at a given time. __________________ fishit

January 22nd, 2008, 03:01 AM	#69 (permalink)
dreamlore999 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Potenza, Italy Posts: 33	hi guys, i'm back with niklas' reply over the demo question (he will reply further on the forum as soon as he's back home) what niklas wrote anyway leaves me some hope, since he says it might be an authentic tape: "Most of the cassettes we used where white, but there definitely have been cases where we've sent away the demo on black tapes, even if those were a minority. The "real" sign of whether or not it's the real deal is actually the inlay. If it's printed on glossy paper, it's authentic. That said, it could of course be very easy these days to make an almost identical copy of both the cassette and the inlay on glossy paper. There really is not 100% sure way of identifying a demo." this is it...I will post photos of the real object as soon as I have it in my hands __________________ Den fagra men oblida pesten skall kurera oss

January 15th, 2008, 09:16 PM	#57 (permalink)
Jolty Monochromatic Stains Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 394	I don't know, if you look really closely, the two tapes have some differences. Not only is the real one labelled, but the tapes themselves have different marks on them. Also, his picture was taken in 2005, which doesn't really make sense to me. :/

January 17th, 2008, 12:26 AM	#62 (permalink)
JUMPINMETALLICA Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 90	yes I am interested. I have 2 tapes: transparent and black. And the black one really doesn't look like a fake.

January 17th, 2008, 01:07 AM	#63 (permalink)
GONE Ridin' Hood Professor. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,805	^ Care to give/sell one to me? Please?

January 17th, 2008, 02:53 AM	#64 (permalink)
JUMPINMETALLICA Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 90	no sorry , for me the black and the transparent are two differents items in my collection , so I don't sell any of them

January 17th, 2008, 12:15 PM	#67 (permalink)
GONE Ridin' Hood Professor. Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,805	^ Damn , three cassettes and I don't even own one . Oh well I'd reckon that DT's collection is easiear and cheaper to complete than say... Mötorhead or Maiden .

January 22nd, 2008, 01:25 PM	#70 (permalink)
Nt3N Dark Tranquillity Italia Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mestre (Venice) Posts: 1,466	fuck... mine is not glossy paper.. it's thick but ordinary paper... FUCK but my seller is a trustworthy one....! __________________ Dark Tranquillity Italia email: nt3n [at] darkillity [dot] net myspace: myspace.com/dtitalia

January 23rd, 2008, 04:15 AM	#74 (permalink)
Caotico Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Terra firma Posts: 439	Sorry Nico, couldn't resist. :P I'm afraid that I can't give any positive news here. I'm 100% sure that all the demos we sent out had those glossy inlays, regardless of the cassettes used. Maybe there were some distributors making their own copies with our permission (though I can't remember this), but if the definition of an "authentic" demo is one that was bought directly from us, I'm sorry to say that this isn't one. __________________ niklassundin.com \| cabinfevermedia.com \| darktranquillity.com \| laethora.com