This Album is BAD - Page 4

BlueSky · April 27th, 2006, 09:48 PM

It's no rec, inner or in search but it's still really good.

Thiago Mielli · April 28th, 2006, 08:30 PM

okay okay it's not bad, but it's too fucking far from inner circle and recreation day...it's totaly diferent from the other albums.
i waited 2 damn years for this

reidie · April 29th, 2006, 01:41 AM

Seriously stop bitching about MMA, sure its not recreation day, the songs are alot more straight forward, but its still evergrey. Tom sounds as good as ever on vocals and there are still are great guitar solos. I actually like it alot.

Look on the bright side, its nowhere near as disapointing as St. anger!

Doni · April 29th, 2006, 04:41 AM

Was on a live show yesterday here in sweden and man "enough said"

goinpostal04 · April 29th, 2006, 09:36 PM

[quote=batmura]I feel they've sold out when I listen to their new album. Tom could say they've stayed true to their integrity for the rest of his life in every interview he does, but when I hear MMA I can sense a deliberate attempt at "selling out".

You know when i first got the album the first thing i said when i listened to the whole thing was.."wow i really have to listen to this alot to get used to it" and eventually i did cause its evergrey.The songs are catchy (not there heaviest stuff) but catchy.Then i remember reading an interview in "metal edge" and Tom was saying that he had to start thinking about the sales.I look at it like this if they are TRUELY happy with the music they made then its not selling out,but if they decided to take this approach because they were worried about sales well then.......like i said i just hate to think it

Scythewind Sempiternus · May 5th, 2006, 04:58 PM

I've been listening to Evergrey and Metal in general for a long time, since I was 10 years old ( I'm 22 now), listened to many different bands, and sometimes its very easy to tell when their sound has taken a huge change, for good or for worse.

In my OPINION MMA is probably their worst album, HOWEVER!....
Evergreys worst is better than alot of other bands best, and MMA is a good album, it doesn't suck at all, it just isn't as good as their other stuff.

As far as EG selling out..........I get sick of seeing that crap, this band sold out, that band sold out, etc etc, shut the hell up already. Wanna know who sold out? Metallica, thats the only band I can think of that REALLY did sell out. Look at Opeth, they are on fucking ROADRUNNER now, and people shat themselves over it "zomg opeth is gunna b teh sux now!1" give me a goddamn break, Ghost reveries is probably their second best album, second only to Still life and tied with if not a bit better than Blackwater park.

Wanna know how a band sold out? Their music changes a fair bit, and their image changes, and they are suddenly getting more and more popular, this is about the time I'll start thinking, "fuck they sold out...". But most extreme metal bands and such will [i]never[i] sell out, because of various reasons. There is a difference between selling out and changing style a bit, I mean, even if Mr. Englund cut his hair, I wouldn't say " ohhhhh shiiiittt......", so what, he cut his fucking hair, maybe HE DIDN'T WANT LONG HAIR? I mean seriously.

About the whole "elitist" thing, anytime someone has morals or beliefs or standards that they take very seriously, and they express their dismay at other peoples lack of understanding of their feelings, it doesn't make them elitist. Calling others elitist is just a childish cop out most of the time, someone has a higher standard for reasons of their own, and bam they are an "elitist asshole", the people who fire off the word elitist are just as bad, if not worse than the people who fire off "sell out", get the hell over yourselves.

I understand the whole debate about bands becoming popular and being on the radio, and frankly I agree with In a state of paralysis, Kenneth just doesn't seem to understand what he means. Anyone who understands pop culture, herd mentality, the concept of memes, etc etc, will be able to understand and accept In a states viewpoint, but instand Kenneth just calls his ideas absurd and calls him an elitist.

Wanna know what an elitist comment is, and I've seen it a hundred times.

Emperorfan235: Hey guys whats going on.
Darkthronefan765: Get the fuck out pussy, Emperor haven't been tr00 blackmetal since In the nightside eclipse!1

Yes I've had that said to me. I wish Evergrey could make good money off of their music, and It would be cool if they were on the radio instead of the crap they play now, but you see the thing is, inorder for them to be on the radio, either they will have to adapt to the general standard of the culture in regards to music (in otherwords sell out or suck ass), or the general standard and taste of the public will have to change (not gonna happen realisticly, but who knows!).

Anyone who cannot see what is wrong with the general populace in regards to how they think/act, and why it would be a bad thing for Evergrey to be on the radio...well, I wish that rose coloured, fair world could exist like that but it doesn't and probably won't. And if you don't understand why, then I'm sorry I can't help you.

Anyhow MMA is a good album, EG hasn't fricken sold out, jesus, people need to chill out. The bands music, and the message they put out through their lyrics and image are whats important ( I don't mean image as in, u r only black metal if u wear corpse paint!11 tr00 evil!1).

Since I've been over this 1000000 times and I'm not ready to type a bible and watch as people debate me with logical fallacies and immaurity, I'll stop here.

BlueSky · May 5th, 2006, 05:14 PM

this cd is in no way worse than their debute

Rager93 · May 5th, 2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lunatic fan

I just rec'd my copy on April 5th..

I had a pre-released copy about a month ago......

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Its plain and simple...Its a pure sell out... I can actually picture Brittany Spears dancing in the background to any of the first 5 songs...

LOL. Dude that's funny. While I would agree this has some of the most "acccessible" music Evergrey has put out to date I would call it anything but a sell out. To say that you can picture Mrs. Federline with this music is just hilarious.

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ITs terrible..

I think its very good. <shrug>

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I am beyond dissappointed in this..I have seen Evergrey 3 times Live now in Atlanta and have been a fan for many years...IMO, its just not for me...It might be for some fans, its just not for me.......

Now that's a reasonable statement. Very much how I feel about the new Queensryche album. I've been a Ryche fan since 1983 and I am beyond dissapoint in Mindcrime II. Others are diggin it though so....<shrug>

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This album blows.. The band sold out, its that simple...

lunatic

Say you don't like it. Say you're dissapointed. But calling it a "sellout" just doesn't make sense to me. It's still Evergrey and my wife and kids still yell at me to turn it off so I know it hasn't gotten too soft.

Looking forward to seeing them at PP VII this year.

Virtus · May 6th, 2006, 04:39 PM

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It's still Evergrey and my wife and kids still yell at me to turn it off so I know it hasn't gotten too soft.

Nice argument

I think this album is good, but I was a bit dissapointed in the beginning, so I understand these guy who are complaining. I think I was expecting an album with more progressive elements and a more complex structure, which made evergrey songs more diversified, so that you discover every time you are listening their songs some details.
The new songs are more simple, and after a few listenings you know them. I think Still in the Water is the most complex song...

But it's still a good album and it sounds like evergrey...
In my opinion the only things I really don't like, and that are 100% NOT EVERGREY are the cover and the chorus of Lost...

Starchildren · May 6th, 2006, 05:45 PM

I don´t like this shit about "sellouts" and all those meaningless words.

.: I don´t think the album is the best so far by these guys, in fact I think it only beats TDD.
And please don´t go, "have you listened to the album more than once", ´couse I have realy tried to get in to this one. I have listened to it MANY times and all the songs are great, but in my oppinion not as good as the others.It feels like the songs are much lower, and Tom´s voice is not as powerfull down there.

.: Of course I think it´s a good album, or else I would not be writing this. some of the songs (like "The dark I walk you through") are better than other songs from other albums.
It´s just that the vocals, melody lines, gtr solos, and the sound is not as good on this one.

.: As for me, I can´t wait till the next live-gig with E, and hearing the new songs live. I just don´t get what all the fuzz is all about..

P.S.
Someone mentioned S.T. Anger as a crappy album.
Am I the only person in the world who does NOT think that album sucks??
D.S

Black Rain · May 7th, 2006, 04:06 PM

st anger is quite possibly the worst set of music ever assembled on a disc.

April 29th, 2006, 09:36 PM	#80 (permalink)
goinpostal04 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3	sell out? i hate to think it [quote=batmura]I feel they've sold out when I listen to their new album. Tom could say they've stayed true to their integrity for the rest of his life in every interview he does, but when I hear MMA I can sense a deliberate attempt at "selling out". You know when i first got the album the first thing i said when i listened to the whole thing was.."wow i really have to listen to this alot to get used to it" and eventually i did cause its evergrey.The songs are catchy (not there heaviest stuff) but catchy.Then i remember reading an interview in "metal edge" and Tom was saying that he had to start thinking about the sales.I look at it like this if they are TRUELY happy with the music they made then its not selling out,but if they decided to take this approach because they were worried about sales well then.......like i said i just hate to think it

May 5th, 2006, 04:58 PM	#81 (permalink)
Scythewind Sempiternus Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2	hmm... I've been listening to Evergrey and Metal in general for a long time, since I was 10 years old ( I'm 22 now), listened to many different bands, and sometimes its very easy to tell when their sound has taken a huge change, for good or for worse. In my OPINION MMA is probably their worst album, HOWEVER!.... Evergreys worst is better than alot of other bands best, and MMA is a good album, it doesn't suck at all, it just isn't as good as their other stuff. As far as EG selling out..........I get sick of seeing that crap, this band sold out, that band sold out, etc etc, shut the hell up already. Wanna know who sold out? Metallica, thats the only band I can think of that REALLY did sell out. Look at Opeth, they are on fucking ROADRUNNER now, and people shat themselves over it "zomg opeth is gunna b teh sux now!1" give me a goddamn break, Ghost reveries is probably their second best album, second only to Still life and tied with if not a bit better than Blackwater park. Wanna know how a band sold out? Their music changes a fair bit, and their image changes, and they are suddenly getting more and more popular, this is about the time I'll start thinking, "fuck they sold out...". But most extreme metal bands and such will [i]never[i] sell out, because of various reasons. There is a difference between selling out and changing style a bit, I mean, even if Mr. Englund cut his hair, I wouldn't say " ohhhhh shiiiittt......", so what, he cut his fucking hair, maybe HE DIDN'T WANT LONG HAIR? I mean seriously. About the whole "elitist" thing, anytime someone has morals or beliefs or standards that they take very seriously, and they express their dismay at other peoples lack of understanding of their feelings, it doesn't make them elitist. Calling others elitist is just a childish cop out most of the time, someone has a higher standard for reasons of their own, and bam they are an "elitist asshole", the people who fire off the word elitist are just as bad, if not worse than the people who fire off "sell out", get the hell over yourselves. I understand the whole debate about bands becoming popular and being on the radio, and frankly I agree with In a state of paralysis, Kenneth just doesn't seem to understand what he means. Anyone who understands pop culture, herd mentality, the concept of memes, etc etc, will be able to understand and accept In a states viewpoint, but instand Kenneth just calls his ideas absurd and calls him an elitist. Wanna know what an elitist comment is, and I've seen it a hundred times. Emperorfan235: Hey guys whats going on. Darkthronefan765: Get the fuck out pussy, Emperor haven't been tr00 blackmetal since In the nightside eclipse!1 Yes I've had that said to me. I wish Evergrey could make good money off of their music, and It would be cool if they were on the radio instead of the crap they play now, but you see the thing is, inorder for them to be on the radio, either they will have to adapt to the general standard of the culture in regards to music (in otherwords sell out or suck ass), or the general standard and taste of the public will have to change (not gonna happen realisticly, but who knows!). Anyone who cannot see what is wrong with the general populace in regards to how they think/act, and why it would be a bad thing for Evergrey to be on the radio...well, I wish that rose coloured, fair world could exist like that but it doesn't and probably won't. And if you don't understand why, then I'm sorry I can't help you. Anyhow MMA is a good album, EG hasn't fricken sold out, jesus, people need to chill out. The bands music, and the message they put out through their lyrics and image are whats important ( I don't mean image as in, u r only black metal if u wear corpse paint!11 tr00 evil!1). Since I've been over this 1000000 times and I'm not ready to type a bible and watch as people debate me with logical fallacies and immaurity, I'll stop here.

May 6th, 2006, 05:45 PM	#85 (permalink)
Starchildren My Own God Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	I don´t like this shit about "sellouts" and all those meaningless words. .: I don´t think the album is the best so far by these guys, in fact I think it only beats TDD. And please don´t go, "have you listened to the album more than once", ´couse I have realy tried to get in to this one. I have listened to it MANY times and all the songs are great, but in my oppinion not as good as the others.It feels like the songs are much lower, and Tom´s voice is not as powerfull down there. .: Of course I think it´s a good album, or else I would not be writing this. some of the songs (like "The dark I walk you through") are better than other songs from other albums. It´s just that the vocals, melody lines, gtr solos, and the sound is not as good on this one. .: As for me, I can´t wait till the next live-gig with E, and hearing the new songs live. I just don´t get what all the fuzz is all about.. P.S. Someone mentioned S.T. Anger as a crappy album. Am I the only person in the world who does NOT think that album sucks?? D.S __________________ Religion was created by fools...who had power and whom above all else desired more power!!

April 27th, 2006, 09:48 PM	#76 (permalink)
BlueSky Just patterns of ink Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,842	It's no rec, inner or in search but it's still really good.

April 28th, 2006, 08:30 PM	#77 (permalink)
Thiago Mielli Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 28	okay okay it's not bad, but it's too fucking far from inner circle and recreation day...it's totaly diferent from the other albums. i waited 2 damn years for this

April 29th, 2006, 01:41 AM	#78 (permalink)
reidie Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1,329	Seriously stop bitching about MMA, sure its not recreation day, the songs are alot more straight forward, but its still evergrey. Tom sounds as good as ever on vocals and there are still are great guitar solos. I actually like it alot. Look on the bright side, its nowhere near as disapointing as St. anger!

April 29th, 2006, 04:41 AM	#79 (permalink)
Doni evergrey security Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Umeå Sweden Posts: 1	Was on a live show yesterday here in sweden and man "enough said"

May 5th, 2006, 05:14 PM	#82 (permalink)
BlueSky Just patterns of ink Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,842	this cd is in no way worse than their debute

May 7th, 2006, 04:06 PM	#86 (permalink)
Black Rain Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New york Posts: 381	st anger is quite possibly the worst set of music ever assembled on a disc.