Torn = Not good - Page 5

peza · January 12th, 2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by schenkadere

So, you don't read reviews when purchasing anything? That's odd.

Yeah, I just don't care about the reviews if it's something I really like. I always hang on untill the band and the music itself dissapoints me. Not the reviews, since it's not other peoples opinions I'm into. Get it?

schenkadere · January 12th, 2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by peza

Yeah, I just don't care about the reviews if it's something I really like. I always hang on untill the band and the music itself dissapoints me. Not the reviews, since it's not other peoples opinions I'm into. Get it?

I prefer to not throw away 20 bucks. I enjoy good music...not interested in band loyalty. Too many people will eat up any old garbage thrown at them from their chosen bands due to some ridiculous loyalty...rather childish.

Mzerg · January 12th, 2009, 04:16 PM

Simple question : if Torn was the first Evergrey album I had happened to listen to , would I be interested in looking for their previous albums ? SURE I would ! So , as far as I am concerned , this is a very good album.

Now , I'm not an "old" Evergrey fan since I heard about them real late , with the song "A Touch Of Blessing" ( TIC as you probably know) ;so , I can understand early fans may be disappointed with the way it sounds now , I don't know , I didn't pay enough attention to their first 3 albums , I was so focused on "Recreation Day" : I'm not the right guy to talk about that ; but what's sure , is that Torn is very good music : what you say , in fact , is that it shouldn't be an Evergrey album , and this is a far more difficult subject...

schenkadere · January 13th, 2009, 08:08 AM

Shouldn't be an Evergrey album?...nope...didn't say anything like that...said it was a good album, but a disappointment considering their earlier work...I think it's a step backwards...it's an ok listen, just does nothing for me and doesn't stay with me.

And as for the other guy...you don't need to enjoy every release to be a fan of a band...and being a fan doesn't mean you need to accept everything released as great.

Eduardo Greco · January 13th, 2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by peza

Yeah, I just don't care about the reviews if it's something I really like. I always hang on untill the band and the music itself dissapoints me. Not the reviews, since it's not other peoples opinions I'm into. Get it?

I have exactly the same opinion as you peza!

Cheers

Janga666 · January 13th, 2009, 10:55 AM

For some reason I always have a different opinion of music than reviews... especially fan reviews.

Xorv · January 18th, 2009, 02:28 AM

I like all their albums. Though recreation day, inner circle, and in search of truth are my top.

Cressida · January 22nd, 2009, 12:24 AM

I like the new cd a lot, but i can see where some people can't get into it as much as their earlier work. The tempo is mainly mid pace and i feel they don't mix it up enough, the keys seem to be lost in the mix. Some of the vocal patterns and lyrics seem to be rehashed.

If you think mma is better than torn then i don't really expect you to like torn.

Brunnis · January 28th, 2009, 04:39 PM

Although it kind of pains me to say this, I'd rate Torn as just 'Okay'. I've listened to it a lot and really tried to like it, but I never could get into it. No song has really stuck in my head and I have no real desire to listen to the album again. It's just too 'thick', lacking a lot of the nuances that made the previous albums great (perhaps with the exception of MMA).

In contrast, I just started listening to In Search of Truth again and it's just a monumental step up in originality, atmosphere and production compared to Torn. That damn album oozes quality.

schenkadere · January 28th, 2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brunnis

Although it kind of pains me to say this, I'd rate Torn as just 'Okay'. I've listened to it a lot and really tried to like it, but I never could get into it. No song has really stuck in my head and I have no real desire to listen to the album again. It's just too 'thick', lacking a lot of the nuances that made the previous albums great (perhaps with the exception of MMA).

In contrast, I just started listening to In Search of Truth again and it's just a monumental step up in originality, atmosphere and production compared to Torn. That damn album oozes quality.

I couldn't agree more...on all accounts.

NeonKnite · January 30th, 2009, 03:39 PM

I was one of the first people around here to say they didn't care for TORN all that much... and in the ensuing months, my opinion hasn't changed. In fact, unlike most of their other albums from ISOT through even MMA, I don't find myself wanting to listen to it at all.

It's just missing *something* on the whole and it sounds like a bunch of rehashed stuff we've already heard. There is nothing new here... nothing inventive or well written like the classic Evergrey albums.

I thought MMA was a dropoff of sorts, but TORN is worse... there is nothing memorable on TORN where at least MMA had a few memorable tunes.

I never thought I'd say this about Evergrey after they released a series of albums I'd categorize as masterpieces, but my faith is wavering here after two sub-par releases in a row.

schenkadere · January 31st, 2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonKnite

I was one of the first people around here to say they didn't care for TORN all that much... and in the ensuing months, my opinion hasn't changed. In fact, unlike most of their other albums from ISOT through even MMA, I don't find myself wanting to listen to it at all.

It's just missing *something* on the whole and it sounds like a bunch of rehashed stuff we've already heard. There is nothing new here... nothing inventive or well written like the classic Evergrey albums.

I thought MMA was a dropoff of sorts, but TORN is worse... there is nothing memorable on TORN where at least MMA had a few memorable tunes.

I never thought I'd say this about Evergrey after they released a series of albums I'd categorize as masterpieces, but my faith is wavering here after two sub-par releases in a row.

Yes...ISOT and TIC are, in my opinion, two of metals greatest albums...we're in a downward spiral now...even Recreation Day was a very good release...I think they'll realize it and pull back up eventually...there's a lot of talent here.

Paul · January 31st, 2009, 10:35 AM

Well I think that Torn is a damn good album, for me the best album Evergrey has ever recorded. I own almost all their albums and the DVD, and they have been one of my fave band for many years now so I have a past with them. My favorite so far was Recreation Day, but this one as a whole is better for me.
Never before had any of their albums take my as this one. The sound itself is very appealing for me, raw, dirty, warm, emotional, not the cold, calculated sound like TIC pr MMA.
This album grey tremendously on me. After the disappointment of MMA (yes...) I was reluctant about Torn, and for the first few listends I thought it lie a big rock, hard to find any holds on it to grab. Then I listened some more and it just clicked. First was Fear then the rest followed.

I can see why others are dissapointed tho, but to each his own.

Eduardo Greco · January 31st, 2009, 11:51 AM

I think Evergrey fascinate different people and made opposite point of views, coz I'm one who classifies MMA the BEST album and Fear the worst track of Torn...

Evergrey, thank you for giving us this diversity!

batmura · February 1st, 2009, 01:47 PM

I personally think Evergrey has steadily declined after Recreation Day. This is not to say RD or TIC were bad albums; on the contrary they are strong pieces of work. I actually consider only MMA as an awful piece. Thing is, to me Evergrey peaked quite early. They showed signs of great things right with their debut, and to me, SDD and ISOT was their best one-two punch ever. ISOT remains their pinnacle. It's just that most people discovered them through RD that this disc gets held up so high. In fact, RD has quite an average production job (if only they could have worked with Neil Kernon). And with TIC, while a good album, they've just re-visited old musical territory.

Look at their first three albums and see how different each one is. The debut is their darkest and doomiest; SDD is more melodic and heavy; and ISOT is their most progressive and mature work. Everything that came after these always merely mirrored aspects of their first three. And like I said, they totally got derailed with the embarrassing MMA.

Just my 2 cents.

Eduardo Greco · February 1st, 2009, 05:42 PM

... to support Evergrey or only criticize them?

If they went too bad after ISOT, RD or IC, whatever, like all of your people insist to say, WTF are u doing here?

Stop listening to it!
I'm tired of reading only bad stuff (Torn is not good, MMA sucks, IC has something...) of the band that supposedly should be supported here!

...and once again, WTF!

Go find some band that u really stand for, instead of posting only CRAP here...
I love EY music and I think that there's a few members here, who are supportive for the band and whom I have most respect and pleasure to read their posts...

that's it!
felt that I needed post this...

schenkadere · February 1st, 2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eduardo Greco

... to support Evergrey or only criticize them?

If they went too bad after ISOT, RD or IC, whatever, like all of your people insist to say, WTF are u doing here?

Stop listening to it!
I'm tired of reading only bad stuff (Torn is not good, MMA sucks, IC has something...) of the band that supposedly should be supported here!

...and once again, WTF!

Go find some band that u really stand for, instead of posting only CRAP here...
I love EY music and I think that there's a few members here, who are supportive for the band and whom I have most respect and pleasure to read their posts...

that's it!
felt that I needed post this...

Don't be such a girl...there's nothing wrong with expressing opinions...it's not an Evergrey butt lick message board...any mature listeners and/or players can see that there is a decline in the quality of the music...it doesn't make any of us any less of a fan...it's simply pointing out the obvious. Get over yourself.

Eduardo Greco · February 2nd, 2009, 08:52 AM

If u think that, so why won't u find some other message board from some "increasing quality band" to post?

and by the way, go F*** yourself!

sailingarge · February 2nd, 2009, 12:01 PM

Is it just me, or has this thread gone too far?

The "Torn = not good" talk between a few people for 5 pages are more or less saying the same thing and at least I have understand what you want to say and respects that even though I really are into Torn. And then to the personal attacks. They do not fit in here!

This is a forum about a band we love in one way or another. As said before, our taste is diverse and that is something we all have to respect.

Please keep this forum a friendly and serious place!

Kuksug! · February 2nd, 2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by schenkadere

I prefer to not throw away 20 bucks. I enjoy good music...not interested in band loyalty. Too many people will eat up any old garbage thrown at them from their chosen bands due to some ridiculous loyalty...rather childish.

That must be the stupidest thing ive ever heard... When a band has released 6 outstanding albums you wouldnt by their new release because of one bad review? thankfully bands have loyal fans or else no one would bother to try to make a living it of it. and 20 bucks? well well...

TheAnonymous · February 3rd, 2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by schenkadere

Don't be such a girl...there's nothing wrong with expressing opinions...it's not an Evergrey butt lick message board...any mature listeners and/or players can see that there is a decline in the quality of the music...it doesn't make any of us any less of a fan...it's simply pointing out the obvious. Get over yourself.

Any mature listener can see there is a decline in the quality? You can't take your opinion and say that it's the same for everyone. Because that's all that it is, an opinion. If you compare the songs on Torn to earlier songs, there is absolutely no decline in quality. Some are better, some are worse, but that's just a matter of taste. Torn isn't less progressive, doesn't have worse lyrics, riffs are as good as ever, and the emotion is definately one step up from earlier albums.
You can say you don't like Torn, you can say it's not as innovative as their earlier works, but you can't say there's any decline in quality. Torn is classic Evergrey with a twist, unlike MMA which was a completely new direction.
And by the way, you guys shouldn't start flaming each other. This forum is for us to discuss about Evergrey, and any opinion is valid as long as it's expressed in the right manner...

The Essence of Conviction · February 21st, 2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eduardo Greco

... to support Evergrey or only criticize them?

If they went too bad after ISOT, RD or IC, whatever, like all of your people insist to say, WTF are u doing here?

Stop listening to it!
I'm tired of reading only bad stuff (Torn is not good, MMA sucks, IC has something...) of the band that supposedly should be supported here!

...and once again, WTF!

Go find some band that u really stand for, instead of posting only CRAP here...
I love EY music and I think that there's a few members here, who are supportive for the band and whom I have most respect and pleasure to read their posts...

that's it!
felt that I needed post this...

Hey man, didn't see I had a private message. I agree with you totally! There's a need for discussing the album but for people who supposedly only like ISOT and RC and that's it, why do you still visit the forum? So you can discuss 2 albums that came out 6 years ago or before and antagonize other members that enjoy everything Evergrey's ever produced? Take the elitism elsewhere, it doesn't fly here.

Eduardo Greco · February 26th, 2009, 05:32 PM

Nice that you guys checked the messages and YOU are the people who I have most respect...

THE HARDCORE EY FANS!

karelrulez · March 16th, 2009, 07:37 PM

I don't know why, but the only song I believe on Torn is 'These Scars'. It's just a great, emotional Evergrey song, with everything that makes them great. The rest of the songs are all copies of eachother, sorry but that's just my view on it. There are some cool riffs and solos, but that doesn't automatically makes them great songs.

Buckster · April 26th, 2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Janga666

I've read a lot of reviews of this album and I cannot figure out why so many people praise it so much. I listened to the full album 4 times all the way through and I cannot mention a standout track. The production quality is lacking and imo the vocals are lacking as well.

I'm not writing this to bash the band in any way, because I love Evergrey... at least the pre-Torn Evergrey.

Does anyone else share my opinion of Torn?

I totally agree...

Really well played metal, high level of detail....but nothing stands out. I might have listened to the album 20+ times and I still get tracks mixed up. Where did all their fantastic hook lines and unison guitar work go? They have to add the edge to their music again...

Don't get me wrong: love their music, but it's been better than now.

January 13th, 2009, 08:08 AM	#104 (permalink)
schenkadere Obey my dog! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NY Posts: 4,404	Shouldn't be an Evergrey album?...nope...didn't say anything like that...said it was a good album, but a disappointment considering their earlier work...I think it's a step backwards...it's an ok listen, just does nothing for me and doesn't stay with me. And as for the other guy...you don't need to enjoy every release to be a fan of a band...and being a fan doesn't mean you need to accept everything released as great. __________________ Still So Many Lives Away www.myspace.com/schenkadere

January 13th, 2009, 10:55 AM	#106 (permalink)
Janga666 Infamous Butcher Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 380	For some reason I always have a different opinion of music than reviews... especially fan reviews. __________________

January 18th, 2009, 02:28 AM	#107 (permalink)
Xorv Drug the Priest Join Date: May 2005 Location: the bowels of lochness Posts: 3,648	I like all their albums. Though recreation day, inner circle, and in search of truth are my top. __________________

January 31st, 2009, 11:51 AM	#114 (permalink)
Eduardo Greco Still In the Water Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 134	Why they fascinate people... I think Evergrey fascinate different people and made opposite point of views, coz I'm one who classifies MMA the BEST album and Fear the worst track of Torn... Evergrey, thank you for giving us this diversity! __________________ Monday Morning Apocalypse made me realize what is quality in music! Fucking PERFECT! Start to listen Evergrey (intensely) after heard this album...

February 1st, 2009, 01:47 PM	#115 (permalink)
batmura Sea of Tranquility Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,575	I personally think Evergrey has steadily declined after Recreation Day. This is not to say RD or TIC were bad albums; on the contrary they are strong pieces of work. I actually consider only MMA as an awful piece. Thing is, to me Evergrey peaked quite early. They showed signs of great things right with their debut, and to me, SDD and ISOT was their best one-two punch ever. ISOT remains their pinnacle. It's just that most people discovered them through RD that this disc gets held up so high. In fact, RD has quite an average production job (if only they could have worked with Neil Kernon). And with TIC, while a good album, they've just re-visited old musical territory. Look at their first three albums and see how different each one is. The debut is their darkest and doomiest; SDD is more melodic and heavy; and ISOT is their most progressive and mature work. Everything that came after these always merely mirrored aspects of their first three. And like I said, they totally got derailed with the embarrassing MMA. Just my 2 cents. __________________ Sea of Tranquility - The Web Destination for Progressive Music!

January 12th, 2009, 04:16 PM	#103 (permalink)
Mzerg Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 22	Simple question : if Torn was the first Evergrey album I had happened to listen to , would I be interested in looking for their previous albums ? SURE I would ! So , as far as I am concerned , this is a very good album. Now , I'm not an "old" Evergrey fan since I heard about them real late , with the song "A Touch Of Blessing" ( TIC as you probably know) ;so , I can understand early fans may be disappointed with the way it sounds now , I don't know , I didn't pay enough attention to their first 3 albums , I was so focused on "Recreation Day" : I'm not the right guy to talk about that ; but what's sure , is that Torn is very good music : what you say , in fact , is that it shouldn't be an Evergrey album , and this is a far more difficult subject...

January 22nd, 2009, 12:24 AM	#108 (permalink)
Cressida Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 62	I like the new cd a lot, but i can see where some people can't get into it as much as their earlier work. The tempo is mainly mid pace and i feel they don't mix it up enough, the keys seem to be lost in the mix. Some of the vocal patterns and lyrics seem to be rehashed. If you think mma is better than torn then i don't really expect you to like torn.

January 28th, 2009, 04:39 PM	#109 (permalink)
Brunnis Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 34	Although it kind of pains me to say this, I'd rate Torn as just 'Okay'. I've listened to it a lot and really tried to like it, but I never could get into it. No song has really stuck in my head and I have no real desire to listen to the album again. It's just too 'thick', lacking a lot of the nuances that made the previous albums great (perhaps with the exception of MMA). In contrast, I just started listening to In Search of Truth again and it's just a monumental step up in originality, atmosphere and production compared to Torn. That damn album oozes quality.

January 30th, 2009, 03:39 PM	#111 (permalink)
NeonKnite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 68	I was one of the first people around here to say they didn't care for TORN all that much... and in the ensuing months, my opinion hasn't changed. In fact, unlike most of their other albums from ISOT through even MMA, I don't find myself wanting to listen to it at all. It's just missing something on the whole and it sounds like a bunch of rehashed stuff we've already heard. There is nothing new here... nothing inventive or well written like the classic Evergrey albums. I thought MMA was a dropoff of sorts, but TORN is worse... there is nothing memorable on TORN where at least MMA had a few memorable tunes. I never thought I'd say this about Evergrey after they released a series of albums I'd categorize as masterpieces, but my faith is wavering here after two sub-par releases in a row.

January 31st, 2009, 10:35 AM	#113 (permalink)
Paul Serial Climber Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hungary Posts: 183	Well I think that Torn is a damn good album, for me the best album Evergrey has ever recorded. I own almost all their albums and the DVD, and they have been one of my fave band for many years now so I have a past with them. My favorite so far was Recreation Day, but this one as a whole is better for me. Never before had any of their albums take my as this one. The sound itself is very appealing for me, raw, dirty, warm, emotional, not the cold, calculated sound like TIC pr MMA. This album grey tremendously on me. After the disappointment of MMA (yes...) I was reluctant about Torn, and for the first few listends I thought it lie a big rock, hard to find any holds on it to grab. Then I listened some more and it just clicked. First was Fear then the rest followed. I can see why others are dissapointed tho, but to each his own.

February 1st, 2009, 05:42 PM	#116 (permalink)
Eduardo Greco Still In the Water Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 134	Is this Forum... ... to support Evergrey or only criticize them? If they went too bad after ISOT, RD or IC, whatever, like all of your people insist to say, WTF are u doing here? Stop listening to it! I'm tired of reading only bad stuff (Torn is not good, MMA sucks, IC has something...) of the band that supposedly should be supported here! ...and once again, WTF! Go find some band that u really stand for, instead of posting only CRAP here... I love EY music and I think that there's a few members here, who are supportive for the band and whom I have most respect and pleasure to read their posts... that's it! felt that I needed post this... __________________ Monday Morning Apocalypse made me realize what is quality in music! Fucking PERFECT! Start to listen Evergrey (intensely) after heard this album...

February 2nd, 2009, 08:52 AM	#118 (permalink)
Eduardo Greco Still In the Water Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 134	If u think that, so why won't u find some other message board from some "increasing quality band" to post? and by the way, go F* yourself! __________________ Monday Morning Apocalypse made me realize what is quality in music! Fucking PERFECT! Start to listen Evergrey (intensely) after heard this album...**

February 2nd, 2009, 12:01 PM	#119 (permalink)
sailingarge Nothing is erased Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Västerås - Sweden Posts: 147	To far? Is it just me, or has this thread gone too far? The "Torn = not good" talk between a few people for 5 pages are more or less saying the same thing and at least I have understand what you want to say and respects that even though I really are into Torn. And then to the personal attacks. They do not fit in here! This is a forum about a band we love in one way or another. As said before, our taste is diverse and that is something we all have to respect. Please keep this forum a friendly and serious place! __________________ Deus Meus Ipsius Sum - God Walking Earth ______________________________ I'm not crazy, it's just my mind...

February 26th, 2009, 05:32 PM	#123 (permalink)
Eduardo Greco Still In the Water Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil Posts: 134	Nice that you guys checked the messages and YOU are the people who I have most respect... THE HARDCORE EY FANS! __________________ Monday Morning Apocalypse made me realize what is quality in music! Fucking PERFECT! Start to listen Evergrey (intensely) after heard this album...

March 16th, 2009, 07:37 PM	#124 (permalink)
karelrulez Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 805	I don't know why, but the only song I believe on Torn is 'These Scars'. It's just a great, emotional Evergrey song, with everything that makes them great. The rest of the songs are all copies of eachother, sorry but that's just my view on it. There are some cool riffs and solos, but that doesn't automatically makes them great songs. __________________