Torn Remaster request!

saster · March 5th, 2009, 03:25 AM

I love the album, but the sound quality is SOOOOOO BAAAAD I cannot even play it on my hifi system!
I don't know who post mastered the album but he/she should be put in a meat grinder for destroying such a nice album!

So please consider a remaster!!!!!

/S

Andiferum · March 5th, 2009, 05:01 PM

What's wrong with the mastering? Sounds fine to me.

OpenWound · March 6th, 2009, 05:00 PM

yes, i hear no wrong in the mastering.. its a bit compact.. but that's how metal sounds like today.. first of all.. do you work with sounds or as a producer ect ect.. how can you else tell if its a bad master?.. an album wich should be remasterd is metallicas death magnetic..

You Tube

torn doesn't suffer from this.. neither a bad mix nor a bad master

saster · March 11th, 2009, 03:49 AM

What the heck are you guys using to listen to it????????????

The sound quality is horrible .. sounds like they had 10 compressors working in overdrive.

I love the songs, but I can only listen to them on low volume on my lousy computer speakers at work.

As an artist I would be soooo pissed if someone ruined my work this way.

/S

peza · March 11th, 2009, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saster

What the heck are you guys using to listen to it????????????

The sound quality is horrible .. sounds like they had 10 compressors working in overdrive.

I love the songs, but I can only listen to them on low volume on my lousy computer speakers at work.

As an artist I would be soooo pissed if someone ruined my work this way.

/S

Apparently, a lot of folks dissagree...

Thorn23TX · March 11th, 2009, 10:04 AM

Don't feed the troll...

Andiferum · March 11th, 2009, 07:52 PM

My Creative 5.1 speakers make it sound brilliant. So do my Sony headphones on my MP3 player. So I guess either I can't hear anything wrong or you need some new gear

Eduardo Greco · March 11th, 2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andiferum

My Creative 5.1 speakers make it sound brilliant. So do my Sony headphones on my MP3 player. So I guess either I can't hear anything wrong or you need some new gear

hehe... I can say the same thing!

It sounds brilliant in my Sony MP3!

galtared · March 13th, 2009, 12:28 PM

It sounds brillant both in my iPod and in my old Creative 128MB

I agree that the sound is different from the other albums, so you cannot have the same sound as in Recreation Day...the guitars are more compressed and powerful, so it sounds different, but the "noisy" effect isn't a mixing issue: the production is clear and optimal!

saster · March 14th, 2009, 02:21 PM

Well .. i guess i'm speaking to "deaf" ears here ..
I just don't get how you can say it sounds ok?

We can only hope they make a live recording on a DVD/Blu-ray and leaves the compressor OFF that time.

The "A night to remember" dvd was easily the best recording they have done.

/S

Mzerg · March 15th, 2009, 04:56 AM

I use SHURE E530 earphones ( among the very best earphones on the market at present) and a very good Sony player , and I must say that , even with wma 320 kbps , the sound quality on Torn(album) isn't that good... ( no offense to Evergrey , which is now my favorite band , thus replacing Megadeth... )

I rather enjoyed it when I had only my SHURE e2c earphones , but now that I've got the will-give-you-the-authentic-sound earphones , I have to agree this album deserves a better sound ( in fact it seems that effects that should have been applied only to guitars , have been applied to each track considered as a whole : even the cymbals sound saturated... )

Jonin · March 16th, 2009, 09:30 AM

Sounds good to me, no rematering needed in my opinion.

karelrulez · March 16th, 2009, 06:29 PM

You're not deaf, Saster. Torn is indeed mastered very loud and the album is one big wall of sound all the way through, with almost no dynamics whatsoever. The sounds are pretty good theirselves, but mastering jobs like this just tires the ears. It may sound big in the beginning, but this album has no punch whatsoever. I'd even take the sloppy Recreation Day production over this over compressed album.

saster · March 27th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karelrulez

You're not deaf, Saster. Torn is indeed mastered very loud and the album is one big wall of sound all the way through, with almost no dynamics whatsoever. The sounds are pretty good theirselves, but mastering jobs like this just tires the ears. It may sound big in the beginning, but this album has no punch whatsoever. I'd even take the sloppy Recreation Day production over this over compressed album.

I was calling the others "deaf" .. not myself

Torn is indeed a sad piece of recording...
Too bad since I think it contains some of the best material Evergrey has written!

/S

lordcthulhu · April 8th, 2009, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karelrulez

You're not deaf, Saster. Torn is indeed mastered very loud and the album is one big wall of sound all the way through, with almost no dynamics whatsoever. The sounds are pretty good theirselves, but mastering jobs like this just tires the ears. It may sound big in the beginning, but this album has no punch whatsoever. I'd even take the sloppy Recreation Day production over this over compressed album.

Dude, if you want dynamics, go to Opeth. Probably the dense guitar tone is not what you like...personally the Engl Savage/5150 combo was not to my liking at first, but now I love it. I think the drums get overpowered at bits though.

Btw, Recreation Day is quite raw sounding (esp. in comparison to In Search of Truth), but somehow still sounds awesome. Kinda like Fredrik Nordstrom's work with the Haunted and Nightrage.

TheWinterSnow · April 10th, 2009, 10:53 PM

If you actaully look at the sound charted out you will fidnt aht torn is not compressed that much, at least compared to most melodeath and death metal bands. The actual tone is amazing, to mee the snare is over compressed, becuase it sound chokced off when its hit all by itself and you really hear it. I am not hearing this hoorrible compression that you speak of.

To me their best tone came from a night to remember and the inner cirlce, whcih were great tone wise and master wise. sure torn is compressed more than normal but its not as bad as you're making it out to be. Now complaining that the keys are too low is a better argument.

Cressida · April 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM

^^^ exactly the keys are way too low is my only problem with the record other than that the cd is fine.

Roddoliver · April 12th, 2009, 03:18 PM

The best thing you can do is use the equalizer. Experiment a bit and you can make the album sound a bit less crappy. But I know it's tough, production is really horrible. And no matter how much you change the mix, it still hurts not to have Patrick Carlsson playing drums.

Mzerg · April 13th, 2009, 10:49 AM

roddoliver I hope you'll edit your post , because it's really unfair / Jonas...

TheWinterSnow · April 27th, 2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roddoliver

The best thing you can do is use the equalizer. Experiment a bit and you can make the album sound a bit less crappy. But I know it's tough, production is really horrible. And no matter how much you change the mix, it still hurts not to have Patrick Carlsson playing drums.

I have always liked jpnas's playing better. But player skill has nothing to do with how a mix sounds and how it is mastered. If it is mastered like shit, a good drummer will sound bad.

Sdob · May 1st, 2009, 09:56 PM

It's over compressed for sure, but I've heard worse.

ProgMetalFan · May 15th, 2009, 09:51 PM

For some reason Evergrey has consistently had production and mastering problems... "Torn" is over-compressed and lacking in dynamic range... "Monday Morning Apocalypse" isn't as bad but has annoying "super-loud" production suited for radio metal like Nickelback... and "Recreation Day" was just an embarrassing mess (a shame for such a great collection of songs). I think their best sound was on "The Inner Circle"... which was warm and dynamic. The sound on "Torn" just grates on the ears and really detracts from the songs. I also wish they'd drop the 7 strings... it just suffocates the music.

March 5th, 2009, 03:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
saster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4	Torn Remaster request! I love the album, but the sound quality is SOOOOOO BAAAAD I cannot even play it on my hifi system! I don't know who post mastered the album but he/she should be put in a meat grinder for destroying such a nice album! So please consider a remaster!!!!! /S

March 5th, 2009, 05:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Andiferum My penis exploded Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Havant, Hants. Posts: 2,658	What's wrong with the mastering? Sounds fine to me. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/Andiferum/

March 11th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Andiferum My penis exploded Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Havant, Hants. Posts: 2,658	My Creative 5.1 speakers make it sound brilliant. So do my Sony headphones on my MP3 player. So I guess either I can't hear anything wrong or you need some new gear __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/Andiferum/

March 15th, 2009, 04:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mzerg Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 22	I use SHURE E530 earphones ( among the very best earphones on the market at present) and a very good Sony player , and I must say that , even with wma 320 kbps , the sound quality on Torn(album) isn't that good... ( no offense to Evergrey , which is now my favorite band , thus replacing Megadeth... ) I rather enjoyed it when I had only my SHURE e2c earphones , but now that I've got the will-give-you-the-authentic-sound earphones , I have to agree this album deserves a better sound ( in fact it seems that effects that should have been applied only to guitars , have been applied to each track considered as a whole : even the cymbals sound saturated... ) Last edited by Mzerg : March 15th, 2009 at 04:40 PM.

March 16th, 2009, 06:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
karelrulez Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 805	You're not deaf, Saster. Torn is indeed mastered very loud and the album is one big wall of sound all the way through, with almost no dynamics whatsoever. The sounds are pretty good theirselves, but mastering jobs like this just tires the ears. It may sound big in the beginning, but this album has no punch whatsoever. I'd even take the sloppy Recreation Day production over this over compressed album. __________________

March 11th, 2009, 03:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
saster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4	What the heck are you guys using to listen to it???????????? The sound quality is horrible .. sounds like they had 10 compressors working in overdrive. I love the songs, but I can only listen to them on low volume on my lousy computer speakers at work. As an artist I would be soooo pissed if someone ruined my work this way. /S

March 11th, 2009, 10:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
Thorn23TX Marked By The Triangle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 767	Don't feed the troll...

March 13th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
galtared The great Deceiver Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Italy Posts: 115	It sounds brillant both in my iPod and in my old Creative 128MB I agree that the sound is different from the other albums, so you cannot have the same sound as in Recreation Day...the guitars are more compressed and powerful, so it sounds different, but the "noisy" effect isn't a mixing issue: the production is clear and optimal!

March 14th, 2009, 02:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
saster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4	Well .. i guess i'm speaking to "deaf" ears here .. I just don't get how you can say it sounds ok? We can only hope they make a live recording on a DVD/Blu-ray and leaves the compressor OFF that time. The "A night to remember" dvd was easily the best recording they have done. /S

March 16th, 2009, 09:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
Jonin Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 43	Sounds good to me, no rematering needed in my opinion.

April 10th, 2009, 10:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
TheWinterSnow Den Mørke Natt Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 945	If you actaully look at the sound charted out you will fidnt aht torn is not compressed that much, at least compared to most melodeath and death metal bands. The actual tone is amazing, to mee the snare is over compressed, becuase it sound chokced off when its hit all by itself and you really hear it. I am not hearing this hoorrible compression that you speak of. To me their best tone came from a night to remember and the inner cirlce, whcih were great tone wise and master wise. sure torn is compressed more than normal but its not as bad as you're making it out to be. Now complaining that the keys are too low is a better argument. __________________ www.myspace.com/shadesofdevastation www.soundclick.com/shadesofdevastation Recording Rig: Sonar 8, Waves SSL, Voxengo Analogflux Suite SD2.0 w/ TMF, MOTU Symphonic Instrument, M-Audio BX5a Deluxe Guitar Rig 5150 MKI w/ G-Flex 212, LTD M-207, LTD F-50, Ibanez Soundgear

April 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
Cressida Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 62	^^^ exactly the keys are way too low is my only problem with the record other than that the cd is fine.

April 12th, 2009, 03:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
Roddoliver Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Location, location, location! Posts: 118	The best thing you can do is use the equalizer. Experiment a bit and you can make the album sound a bit less crappy. But I know it's tough, production is really horrible. And no matter how much you change the mix, it still hurts not to have Patrick Carlsson playing drums.

April 13th, 2009, 10:49 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mzerg Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 22	roddoliver I hope you'll edit your post , because it's really unfair / Jonas...

May 1st, 2009, 09:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sdob Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 189	It's over compressed for sure, but I've heard worse.

May 15th, 2009, 09:51 PM	#22 (permalink)
ProgMetalFan In the attic Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PITTSBURGH Posts: 4,787	For some reason Evergrey has consistently had production and mastering problems... "Torn" is over-compressed and lacking in dynamic range... "Monday Morning Apocalypse" isn't as bad but has annoying "super-loud" production suited for radio metal like Nickelback... and "Recreation Day" was just an embarrassing mess (a shame for such a great collection of songs). I think their best sound was on "The Inner Circle"... which was warm and dynamic. The sound on "Torn" just grates on the ears and really detracts from the songs. I also wish they'd drop the 7 strings... it just suffocates the music.