Preparing your tracks for reamping: A Guide - Page 5

Jaymz · March 28th, 2007, 03:05 AM

This is insane stuff...

alexrookie · March 28th, 2007, 03:46 AM

ok, once more the active vs passive question while recording the di'ed signal!!!

as i read an active di is quite good for active pickups but for passives it is just like 85 % of what could come in, right?? well, oz mentioned he never had issues with recoring passives through an active di, but the numbers and percentages you all listed said that there will (could) be some loss in quality.

my prob is that i will always record passive and active pickups in one session.
so, do i need an active and a passive di (like the j 48 + countryman) or would the countryman fit for both jobs.

i really don't want to spend that much money on things like di's but i try to get the best results.

please help a stupid drummer who is a bit confused by all these values!!

Glenn Fricker · March 29th, 2007, 11:50 AM

I'd say just go with the Countryman.... and then add the J48 if you find you're running into problems with active guitars "splatting out."

LSD-Studio · March 31st, 2007, 12:20 PM

K, here's my story...
I was just working on some recordings of my band as you perhaps might have seen in the RMM-Section.
I was missing some low-end in the guitars but didn't have the possibility to reamp them with some more low-end 'cause I'm totally overbooked and just didn't have the time to get all the stuff from our rehearsal-space into the studio etc...
anyway, I figured I gotta do something with the guitars, so I thought I might just send Oz the dry tracks to reamp them...I really like the way his guitars sound but still I had bit of a strange feeling 'cause I'm really picky about my guitarsounds and the idea of having to rely on another person (although I liked what he's doing with his guitars) scared me a bit to be honest.

anyway, I talked to him and sent him the DI-Tracks for reamping there's no need to be frightened or something, cause he did an amazing job and still let me add my ideas and influence him a bit..
he sent me 3 different snippets and we went from there towards the "perfect" guitarsound (pretty fast though).
It didn't take that long and he had the files up on his FTP, they provided exactly what was lacking in my first guitartracks and delivered exactly the sound I wanted.

listen to it in the RateMM-subforum (Subcutane Song) and send this man your tracks, NOW!

Lasse

Gnash · March 31st, 2007, 01:42 PM

That's fucking cool, man! I may need a dual rec on this session I'm working on now. 5150/ and OZ's Dual rec together!

Anyway, my Countryman DI arrived, and I tracked a Les Paul w/passive pups, with it yesterday. FUCKING CLEAN!!!!! GET THE COUNTRYMAN DI! I'm picking up the X amp tommorow, thus starting my pro reamp career!

GuitarHack · March 31st, 2007, 06:28 PM

Got my X-amp and tried it yesterday. Cool stuff. I can't believe I have gone this long without being able to reamp. Probably the most useful and definitely the most time-saving piece of gear I own. I didn't know what to do when I was reamping, so I just sat there, kicked back, relaxed and listened. Now, if I could just get somebody to play my dry tracks I would be set.

LSD, you have a PM reply.

Jaymz · March 31st, 2007, 06:46 PM

Why do you need to re-amp when you have a KranK? Surely people want to re-amp TO the Krank :\ Isnt it like hiring a hot air balloon to get down from Mount Everest?

Loren Littlejohn · March 31st, 2007, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Shred

Why do you need to re-amp when you have a KranK? Surely people want to re-amp TO the Krank :\ Isnt it like hiring a hot air balloon to get down from Mount Everest?

Yeah but if you don't have another amp it is nice to get some other tone in ur mix!!

GuitarHack · March 31st, 2007, 06:57 PM

I am still pretty nOOb with regards to recording, so I still need to experiment with amp settings/mic placement/808 settings, etc... so to save me re-playing the same song many many times, reamping is the answer.

The sound I get today might (and probably will) sound like crap tomorrow, so tomorrow just click record and let it all be done effortlessly with the guitar still in it's case.

EDIT: oh yeah, what he said also ^^^.

Jaymz · March 31st, 2007, 07:00 PM

Ah right cool. Well I dont have a scooby, its all over my head tbh. But im doing a song for my band when the rest of them are back from uni at least...got the drums programmed on EZ + DFH and im gona use my friends spider 3. They actually sound quite good recorded. Plus ill have my XXX be then hopefully so ill do 2 tracks of spider and 2 of XXX. Hopefully its an interesting combo...

Seizure. · April 2nd, 2007, 05:00 AM

would this be considered a good reampable d.i track?
http://download.yousendit.com/4F6247D04AE2C01B
don't mind my playing and the somewhat too old strings.

and btw, are avalon U5's good d.i's to track reampable guitars on? (with EQ off/neutral offcourse..)
And how about the groovetubes the brick.. nice D.i but too coloured for D.i tracks maybe?

Glenn Fricker · April 2nd, 2007, 08:52 PM

Hey Seizure,

I checked out your track. Not too shabby, but I'm a little concerned about the intial noise at the beginning of the track.... it could cause you problems in a mix situation.

Here's an example of what that sounds like reamped:
LINK

Nice pick attack, BTW! I'd love to hear that quad tracked! Just be careful on those low open chords. You're playing so hard you're knocking the chord out of tune for a split second: Especially the very first chord. A little finesse goes a long way.

-0z-

Seizure. · April 3rd, 2007, 03:34 AM

Hey oz, thanks for taking the time.

Thats not even that bad indeed! i was kind of worried because this was done with my audient instrument input and i didn't would be up for the job you know.

And Thanks on the pick attack! i'm a bassplayer originally so maybe that explains hahaha..
I get alot of: dude! its a guitar, not your girlfriend!!"

Seizure. · April 3rd, 2007, 02:29 PM

I'm getting my Little Labs Redeye tommorow! siked!!

The little labs was pretty cheap btw, the radial would have cost almost twice asmuch!

Denial Machine · April 7th, 2007, 08:22 PM

Anybody here use a Tapco Active DI?
http://www.tapcoworld.com/pdf/DIBOX_OM.pdf

The specs and options look really good. 10 Mega Ohm input resistance is basically an open circuit so the box seems great in theory.

Mood Bender · April 8th, 2007, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seizure.

I'm getting my Little Labs Redeye tommorow! siked!!

The little labs was pretty cheap btw, the radial would have cost almost twice asmuch!

I've used the Redeye for several years... great box.

Seizure. · April 8th, 2007, 07:05 AM

Cool, in that case i have a question for you

I seem to be getting a pretty low output signal on theline level, when recording a (passive) bass with bartolinni's i get about -30db of signal into nuendo.
No more.
Same with guitar.
Am i doing something wrong? using the thru would even seem better at the moment hahaha

Mood Bender · April 8th, 2007, 07:08 AM

there's a PIN hole on the front for switching levels. have you tried that?

Seizure. · April 8th, 2007, 07:09 AM

I'll check.. but isn't that for the In level?
Are you getting a pretty high signal?

Mood Bender · April 8th, 2007, 07:15 AM

that's the only adjustment I'm aware of other than the Front Level adjustment. you should make sure it's correct for your setup though.

not sure about High Level but my Mic Gains are set where I set them for reasonable mic gains.

Seizure. · April 8th, 2007, 07:18 AM

I just checked it out and here is were it got weird...
There is nothing behind my pad "hole", it's just empty behind it, couldn't find something pushable anyhoo.
How does it look like in your redeye?

Mutant · April 8th, 2007, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seizure.

I seem to be getting a pretty low output signal on the line level, when recording a (passive) bass with bartolinni's i get about -30db of signal into nuendo.

Does the Red Eye have an internal preamp ? IIRC it doesn't, but i'm not sure.
If not then you have to use some external hardware to preamplify the signal between the di and the line in.

Mood Bender · April 8th, 2007, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seizure.

I just checked it out and here is were it got weird...
There is nothing behind my pad "hole", it's just empty behind it, couldn't find something pushable anyhoo.
How does it look like in your redeye?

the switch is recessed quit a bit. I think I used a jeweler's screwdriver. actually, I took the cover off to set this because I found that easier.

Mood Bender · April 8th, 2007, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutant

Does the Red Eye have an internal preamp ? IIRC it doesn't, but i'm not sure.
If not then you have to use some external hardware to preamplify the signal between the di and the line in.

it's not active. I use the Redeye Mic out and go into a preamp.

Seizure. · April 8th, 2007, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mood Bender

the switch is recessed quit a bit. I think I used a jeweler screw driver. actually, I took the cover off to set this because I found that easier.

Thats good to know! thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mood Bender

it's not active. I use the Redeye Mic out and go into a preamp.

That explains alot! god i feel dumb right know

I also saw this Jonathan little gearslutzpost at the same time you posted:

"the Redeye (which is a traditional passive DI that needs a mic pre)."

Well know.. back to bussiness then!

March 29th, 2007, 11:50 AM	#103 (permalink)
Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 4,018	I'd say just go with the Countryman.... and then add the J48 if you find you're running into problems with active guitars "splatting out." __________________ Glenn "0z" Fricker Audio/Video/Photo

March 31st, 2007, 01:42 PM	#105 (permalink)
Gnash Lefty Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Warrensburg, MO Posts: 1,271	That's fucking cool, man! I may need a dual rec on this session I'm working on now. 5150/ and OZ's Dual rec together! Anyway, my Countryman DI arrived, and I tracked a Les Paul w/passive pups, with it yesterday. FUCKING CLEAN!!!!! GET THE COUNTRYMAN DI! I'm picking up the X amp tommorow, thus starting my pro reamp career! __________________ http://www.facebook.com/shanemeyer51...p?id=560372282 http://www.youtube.com/Gnash5150

March 31st, 2007, 06:28 PM	#106 (permalink)
GuitarHack Krank it UP! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,504	Got my X-amp and tried it yesterday. Cool stuff. I can't believe I have gone this long without being able to reamp. Probably the most useful and definitely the most time-saving piece of gear I own. I didn't know what to do when I was reamping, so I just sat there, kicked back, relaxed and listened. Now, if I could just get somebody to play my dry tracks I would be set. LSD, you have a PM reply. Last edited by GuitarHack : March 31st, 2007 at 06:30 PM.

March 31st, 2007, 06:46 PM	#107 (permalink)
Jaymz Stymphalian Productions Join Date: May 2006 Location: Darlington Posts: 7,086	Why do you need to re-amp when you have a KranK? Surely people want to re-amp TO the Krank :\ Isnt it like hiring a hot air balloon to get down from Mount Everest? __________________ Schecter C1 Hellraiser & Loomis 7 FR, Gibson Explorer, LTD Explorer, Kemper Rack, EVH 5150III, Mesa Oversized 4x12, Overwater Contemporary Jazz 5 www.facebook.com/theblackstymphalian

March 31st, 2007, 06:57 PM	#109 (permalink)
GuitarHack Krank it UP! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,504	I am still pretty nOOb with regards to recording, so I still need to experiment with amp settings/mic placement/808 settings, etc... so to save me re-playing the same song many many times, reamping is the answer. The sound I get today might (and probably will) sound like crap tomorrow, so tomorrow just click record and let it all be done effortlessly with the guitar still in it's case. EDIT: oh yeah, what he said also ^^^. Last edited by GuitarHack : March 31st, 2007 at 07:00 PM.

March 28th, 2007, 03:05 AM	#101 (permalink)
Jaymz Stymphalian Productions Join Date: May 2006 Location: Darlington Posts: 7,086	This is insane stuff...

March 28th, 2007, 03:46 AM	#102 (permalink)
alexrookie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: hanover,germany Posts: 168	ok, once more the active vs passive question while recording the di'ed signal!!! as i read an active di is quite good for active pickups but for passives it is just like 85 % of what could come in, right?? well, oz mentioned he never had issues with recoring passives through an active di, but the numbers and percentages you all listed said that there will (could) be some loss in quality. my prob is that i will always record passive and active pickups in one session. so, do i need an active and a passive di (like the j 48 + countryman) or would the countryman fit for both jobs. i really don't want to spend that much money on things like di's but i try to get the best results. please help a stupid drummer who is a bit confused by all these values!!

March 31st, 2007, 12:20 PM	#104 (permalink)
LSD-Studio HCAF crusher Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 3,447	K, here's my story... I was just working on some recordings of my band as you perhaps might have seen in the RMM-Section. I was missing some low-end in the guitars but didn't have the possibility to reamp them with some more low-end 'cause I'm totally overbooked and just didn't have the time to get all the stuff from our rehearsal-space into the studio etc... anyway, I figured I gotta do something with the guitars, so I thought I might just send Oz the dry tracks to reamp them...I really like the way his guitars sound but still I had bit of a strange feeling 'cause I'm really picky about my guitarsounds and the idea of having to rely on another person (although I liked what he's doing with his guitars) scared me a bit to be honest. anyway, I talked to him and sent him the DI-Tracks for reamping there's no need to be frightened or something, cause he did an amazing job and still let me add my ideas and influence him a bit.. he sent me 3 different snippets and we went from there towards the "perfect" guitarsound (pretty fast though). It didn't take that long and he had the files up on his FTP, they provided exactly what was lacking in my first guitartracks and delivered exactly the sound I wanted. listen to it in the RateMM-subforum (Subcutane Song) and send this man your tracks, NOW! Lasse

March 31st, 2007, 07:00 PM	#110 (permalink)
Jaymz Stymphalian Productions Join Date: May 2006 Location: Darlington Posts: 7,086	Ah right cool. Well I dont have a scooby, its all over my head tbh. But im doing a song for my band when the rest of them are back from uni at least...got the drums programmed on EZ + DFH and im gona use my friends spider 3. They actually sound quite good recorded. Plus ill have my XXX be then hopefully so ill do 2 tracks of spider and 2 of XXX. Hopefully its an interesting combo... __________________ Schecter C1 Hellraiser & Loomis 7 FR, Gibson Explorer, LTD Explorer, Kemper Rack, EVH 5150III, Mesa Oversized 4x12, Overwater Contemporary Jazz 5 www.facebook.com/theblackstymphalian

April 2nd, 2007, 05:00 AM	#111 (permalink)
Seizure. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: holland Posts: 2,206	would this be considered a good reampable d.i track? http://download.yousendit.com/4F6247D04AE2C01B don't mind my playing and the somewhat too old strings. and btw, are avalon U5's good d.i's to track reampable guitars on? (with EQ off/neutral offcourse..) And how about the groovetubes the brick.. nice D.i but too coloured for D.i tracks maybe?

April 2nd, 2007, 08:52 PM	#112 (permalink)
Glenn Fricker Very Metal &Very Bad News Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 4,018	Hey Seizure, I checked out your track. Not too shabby, but I'm a little concerned about the intial noise at the beginning of the track.... it could cause you problems in a mix situation. Here's an example of what that sounds like reamped: LINK Nice pick attack, BTW! I'd love to hear that quad tracked! Just be careful on those low open chords. You're playing so hard you're knocking the chord out of tune for a split second: Especially the very first chord. A little finesse goes a long way. -0z- __________________ Glenn "0z" Fricker Audio/Video/Photo Last edited by Glenn Fricker : April 2nd, 2007 at 08:54 PM.

April 3rd, 2007, 03:34 AM	#113 (permalink)
Seizure. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: holland Posts: 2,206	Hey oz, thanks for taking the time. Thats not even that bad indeed! i was kind of worried because this was done with my audient instrument input and i didn't would be up for the job you know. And Thanks on the pick attack! i'm a bassplayer originally so maybe that explains hahaha.. I get alot of: dude! its a guitar, not your girlfriend!!"

April 3rd, 2007, 02:29 PM	#114 (permalink)
Seizure. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: holland Posts: 2,206	I'm getting my Little Labs Redeye tommorow! siked!! The little labs was pretty cheap btw, the radial would have cost almost twice asmuch!

April 7th, 2007, 08:22 PM	#115 (permalink)
Denial Machine Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 30	Anybody here use a Tapco Active DI? http://www.tapcoworld.com/pdf/DIBOX_OM.pdf The specs and options look really good. 10 Mega Ohm input resistance is basically an open circuit so the box seems great in theory.

April 8th, 2007, 07:05 AM	#117 (permalink)
Seizure. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: holland Posts: 2,206	Cool, in that case i have a question for you I seem to be getting a pretty low output signal on theline level, when recording a (passive) bass with bartolinni's i get about -30db of signal into nuendo. No more. Same with guitar. Am i doing something wrong? using the thru would even seem better at the moment hahaha

April 8th, 2007, 07:08 AM	#118 (permalink)
Mood Bender Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Clemson Posts: 319	there's a PIN hole on the front for switching levels. have you tried that? __________________ Modena M90 \| Rev1 \| Mk III \| 3Ch DR Solo \| 5150 \| Dorado \| Legacy \| 61 Bandmaster \| 67 BF Princeton Rvb \| 67 BF Champ Clips

April 8th, 2007, 07:09 AM	#119 (permalink)
Seizure. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: holland Posts: 2,206	I'll check.. but isn't that for the In level? Are you getting a pretty high signal?

April 8th, 2007, 07:15 AM	#120 (permalink)
Mood Bender Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Clemson Posts: 319	that's the only adjustment I'm aware of other than the Front Level adjustment. you should make sure it's correct for your setup though. not sure about High Level but my Mic Gains are set where I set them for reasonable mic gains. __________________ Modena M90 \| Rev1 \| Mk III \| 3Ch DR Solo \| 5150 \| Dorado \| Legacy \| 61 Bandmaster \| 67 BF Princeton Rvb \| 67 BF Champ Clips Last edited by Mood Bender : April 8th, 2007 at 07:18 AM.

April 8th, 2007, 07:18 AM	#121 (permalink)
Seizure. Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: holland Posts: 2,206	I just checked it out and here is were it got weird... There is nothing behind my pad "hole", it's just empty behind it, couldn't find something pushable anyhoo. How does it look like in your redeye?