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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The best plugins and VST's for a really heavy sound?

So me and 2 mates of mine are going to start a project/band and we want to record our music the good way. We are currently doing a different project which is kind of metalcore combined with cheesey 80's synths and weird experimental breaks.

We are using the following plugins:

Guitar sound: Amplitube 3 with a Parkway Drive-like sound (that kind of failed since it sounds "meh")

Drums: Superior 2.0 (without The Metal Foundry) custom sound

Bass sound: Amplitube 3 (a random bass sound)

Now the problem here is, after recording it, it doesn't sound really heavy eventhough the riffs are. The guitar sound is a bit heavy with a soft edge, that it almost sounds like a electric guitar-amped bass. We want to achieve a clean heavy sound a bit like Emmure and The Acacia Strain. The drums are also kind of soft, the drum kick sounds fake and shit. So we're going to buy The Metal Foundry since it has a lot more sounds and possibilities.

Anyways, what should we use for our guitar sound? We are able to record through our amps but we don't really have high quality amps.

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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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So much truth in this. Makes shit heavy like Emmure.



Now, to avoid being a complete troll, I'll give you some advice: try lurking these forums for a month or two before asking anything like that.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You guys are ruthless...

Icee, your post was kinda like comming to a football board and saying "I got the Adidas Official World Cup Ball but Im not playing like Lionel Messi, what ball should I be using?"
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 07:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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You guys are ruthless...

Icee, your post was kinda like comming to a football board and saying "I got the Adidas Official World Cup Ball but Im not playing like Lionel Messi, what ball should I be using?"

hahaha!!!!! dude that was awsome!



anyway, that really is a wierd question specially without some samples for us to listen....
nevertheless i'm guessing by "not heavy" what you mean is "i'm missing lows on the guitars and iv'e turned up the amp's gain knob to high"
so you can start by fixing that.....
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Ahhh...from looking at your choice of gear, I see where you're going wrong. No wonder you're not getting that "heavy" sound...you're not using THIS:

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Old September 22nd, 2010, 08:20 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reaction, I'm a production n00bie and my friend is the one mixing.

The thing is, I'm not a fan of Emmure or anything, I hate breakdown-driven bands like that. But their sound is just, clean and heavy, which is what I'm looking for. Any plugins you recommened? I feel awkward to ask stuff like this but yea, tips would be cool. I've looked around on the forum too, got some handy stuff from it.
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Thanks for the reaction, I'm a production n00bie and my friend is the one producing the stuff, so yea.

The thing is, I'm not a fan of Emmure or anything, I hate breakdown-driven bands like that. But their sound is just, clean and heavy, which is what I'm looking for. Any plugins you recommened?
EZ MIX i tell ya!!!
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EZ MIX i tell ya!!!
Isn't it meant for drums? Any other good plugins for a nice heavy sound?

Thanks by the way, appreciate it.
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Yeah, either EZ Mix, or Ozone 4 with the "heavy" preset.
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Yeah, either EZ Mix, or Ozone 4 with the "heavy" preset.
Thanks, I will check it out. More suggestions as in plugins? Thanks for the link by the way Skinny Viking.
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EZmix + EZdrummer = nice heavy sound

Garageband also gives you a REAL nice gritty tone on your guitars. Make sure you record straight through the line in on your computer though, thats what it gives it that real raw sound.
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Not a fan of EzDrummer due to the standard sampled sound which you are not able to edit (change sounds etc.). But EzMix sounds good then, haven't heard a lot about it though. We are using a MacBook Pro. We're not a fan of the "BZMCHHH" sound as in (the cheap) Gearbox style, where you just hear some noise. We want a nice clean and heavy sound, not garage style.

So EzMix is the way to go then?
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Thanks, I will check it out. More suggestions as in plugins? Thanks for the link by the way Skinny Viking.
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in all seriousness ... even if there was some magical combination of plugins that would give you the sound you're looking for, it sounds like you are really NOT at a point where you would know how to use them properly. The best advise given so far was by Xnay ... start reading EVERYTHING on here every free chance you get. Its gonna take time but after a while you'll realize why this post got a lot of the reaction it did. As you start to actually learn, start experimenting. The end result will be all the better for it because the short answer to your question / problem is there is no magic plugin or magic preset to make things sound the way you want.
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I'd just use EZMIX and more Waves SSL



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Not a fan of EzDrummer due to the standard sampled sound which you are not able to edit (change sounds etc.). But EzMix sounds good then, haven't heard a lot about it though. We are using a MacBook Pro. We're not a fan of the "BZMCHHH" sound as in (the cheap) Gearbox style, where you just hear some noise. We want a nice clean and heavy sound, not garage style.

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don't thank me now

in all seriousness ... even if there was some magical combination of plugins that would give you the sound you're looking for, it sounds like you are really NOT at a point where you would know how to use them properly. The best advise given so far was by Xnay ... start reading EVERYTHING on here every free chance you get. Its gonna take time but after a while you'll realize why this post got a lot of the reaction it did. As you start to actually learn, start experimenting. The end result will be all the better for it because the short answer to your question / problem is there is no magic plugin or magic preset to make things sound the way you want.
I agree we cannot get the right sound straight out of the box, it's definiatly about experimenting with the plugins and sounds but still, we would like to have a good start instead of having to change our software a lot. If you know what I mean. I also understand that producers laugh at this post, well I don't really give a f00k so, yea, hooray for that.

So what we're looking for are the right plugins for a heavy clean sound where we can experiment with.

We tried:

- Amplitube Metal: the sounds sound fake or just not what we want. The custom sounds we made were okay but not good enough.

- Amplitube 3: we used a Parkway Drive kind of sound which was really good at first but it just didn't sound perfect. Tweaking didn't really help a lot.

- Gearbox: Sucked hard.

So I guess we're going to try EzMix then.

I'm not trollin' by the way, so no need for the facepalm pictures... ;<
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May i sugest lepou solo c -> nick crow 8505 ->with le cab with some impulses (both free). Also there is a guitar chain posted by dandelium that i found one of the best heavy metal guitar sounds ever.
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