YT: Match EQ and IR Tutorial! - Page 15

Clark Kent · April 8th, 2012, 03:33 AM

The Paramore Ignorance patch has the "Rock 900" with Gain: 9, Bass: 5, Middle: 5, Treble: 5, Presence: 3, Volume: 8.

I'm not sure if I posted the older Paramore patch but it had the same settings but Gain on full.

Clark Kent · April 8th, 2012, 03:41 AM

Match EQing drums is VERY COMPLICATED. Match EQing kicks works pretty. But snare is almost impossible to match EQ since you can't EQ more snare top into it (it just doesn't sound the same) and also snare has a clear pitch so if you match EQ two snares they should be in the same pitch. This ofcourse means that both of these snares should be tuned in a similar way etc. It's not easy by any means.

When match EQing drums you really have to use the smoothing of the match EQ to get a usable tone instead of that phasy weird sound. Ozone5 might be better for drum match EQ.

Should I make a tutorial about this?

Soultrash · April 8th, 2012, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent

Should I make a tutorial about this?

DAMN YES MAN!

Soultrash · April 8th, 2012, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mm1066

I've tried that too, didn't work for me either, a lot of the highs were cut and they sounded a bit softer. The only possible way I think this could work would be if each drum/cymbal was tuned to the original track.

yeah i got the same results. not sure how to adapt the drum tuning,
maybe kent's tutorial will help!

Clark Kent · April 8th, 2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Soultrash

not sure how to adapt the drum tuning,
maybe kent's tutorial will help!

If you can't manually tune the drums to matching pitch then you can pitch shift them afterwards. Superior Drummer 2 has a good pitch shifter built in so that's probably the easiest way to do this.

WhyRahVille · April 8th, 2012, 01:41 PM

Thanks bro

fenixdoido · April 27th, 2012, 02:04 PM

Clark, I'm sorry for bumping this thread, but I have a problem:
1) I made the eq match with ozone, everything ok. Then I bypass the ampsim and add the sinewave.
2) When I export the sine wave (same sample rate, 15s, tried let 1, 2 ,3 ,4 and 5 seconds empty on the end), and add to deconvolver, deconvolve, it gives me an 1kb wav. When I load as an impulse it just do nothing. What I am doing wrong?

Here is the match eq wav file (not deconvolved) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2248618/natas.wav

Cheers!

Clark Kent · April 27th, 2012, 03:04 PM

No problem. If I can't help at times I'm sure other members of the forum can help. Umm... 1kB is not right. So the problem is most likely with the Deconvolver. Are you loading the right sine sweep in the "Test tone file:" That should be the RAW sweep file that you inserted in your DAW and below that is the "file folder" where you should load the sweep that went through Ozone.

fenixdoido · April 27th, 2012, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

No problem. If I can't help at times I'm sure other members of the forum can help. Umm... 1kB is not right. So the problem is most likely with the Deconvolver. Are you loading the right sine sweep in the "Test tone file:" That should be the RAW sweep file that you inserted in your DAW and below that is the "file folder" where you should load the sweep that went through Ozone.

Yep. For some reason I reinstalled Deconvolver and it worked as a charm!
Cheers for helping!!!

hurdy · April 28th, 2012, 03:36 PM

Remember to add a slience at the end of the sine wave in your DAW

reneisgod · May 2nd, 2012, 12:08 PM

curious, how are you guys settings up the filter size before capturing?
3hz - 48hz?

guitarobert · May 16th, 2012, 02:20 PM

Clark, you are a god. This is a great technique! I can't tell you how much fun I've been having with it.

Here are a couple of things that may help others.

1. For the sine sweep from Voxengo, I reduced it by -18dB and saved that to a new file. Voxengo makes a 0dB sweep by default, which can clip when you run it through the EQ without reducing the level.

2. Based on that -18dB sweep, I made a separate sweep file from it that has 1 second of silence at the end. This way I don't need to add the silence manually each time.

So the matching EQ sweep output is made from the "-18dB with silence added" sweep input. Then in Voxengo the original "-18dB without silence added" sweep is used as the reference sweep. Same as what you are doing, but it saves a couple of steps in the workflow.

I'm confused by something though. I tried bypassing all the sweeps and Voxengo by putting an impulse directly into the EQ. That's a wav file with the first sample at max value (0dB) followed by all silence. In theory it should work. The frequency response looks overall the same, except everything is stretched in gain. Peaks are higher and dips are lower. But otherwise the shape is the same. If this worked it would be convenient because the impulse can be made straight from 1 file without the deconvolver. Not sure what's going on with it otherwise. Hmm..

Great method and I'm getting good results!

Fugdup · May 16th, 2012, 02:28 PM

I just recorded a cover of Damage Control by John Petrucci using this method

Awesome, and thank you for this!

deffpony · May 16th, 2012, 06:11 PM

I still have yet to get this to work right. Every single tone I try to replicate comes out with way too much low end. Its like my low end isnt tight at all. I have tried soo many different guitar tones, using all 4 of my guitars, and using every DAW I own. I even bought a new DI box but still the tone comes out like shit.

All I want is the Parkway Drive Horizons record tone and I will be happy, but it Just cant have it

deffpony · May 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM

So seriously, I will be willing to pay someone to tone match me the Parkway Drive Horizons tone. Any takers???

hurdy · May 17th, 2012, 06:17 PM

@deffpony ^
even if you pay someone to do it, its not gonna sound close enough.
They will need your fingers, skill, guitar(& pickup), sound interface, cable and all that to get it to match correctly.

deffpony · May 17th, 2012, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurdy

@deffpony ^
even if you pay someone to do it, its not gonna sound close enough.
They will need your fingers, skill, guitar(& pickup), sound interface, cable and all that to get it to match correctly.

I can send my reamped raw tracks accompanied by the original riff I am trying to emulate.

sander · May 31st, 2012, 12:47 PM

I have yet to try it out, but would match eq-ing DIs work ?

Fugdup · May 31st, 2012, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sander

I have yet to try it out, but would match eq-ing DIs work ?

I just matched Ola's original DI's from the EVH5150 III recording.
First clip is the EQ-match, second the original.

http://soundcloud.com/fugdup/izotope-ozone-eq-matching

I love this thing!

Thanks for the tutorial.

fenixdoido · May 31st, 2012, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugdup

I just matched Ola's original DI's from the EVH5150 III recording.
First clip is the EQ-match, second the original.

http://soundcloud.com/fugdup/izotope-ozone-eq-matching

I love this thing!

Thanks for the tutorial.

Would you mind sharing this impulse (or the ozone snapshot)?

@Clark Kent:
See my PM. Cheers!!!!

Laozen · July 6th, 2012, 05:01 AM

Could someone do Periphery´s new album tone? And with lepou´s sims? I think that´s maybe the best rhythm tone I´ve ever heard. Thanks a lot!

Clark Kent · July 6th, 2012, 06:34 AM

http://soundcloud.com/clark-kent-job/now-i-got-p2

That's the Periphery II tone. Doesn't really work for these higher tunings though.

Laozen · July 7th, 2012, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

http://soundcloud.com/clark-kent-job/now-i-got-p2

That's the Periphery II tone. Doesn't really work for these higher tunings though.

Can I download that clip somehow? Or can you post impulse of that?

fenixdoido · July 7th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Clark, Did you see my PM regarding that MARK tones?
Cheers!

Sethis · July 29th, 2012, 05:51 AM

I've tried this method in the past and it is pretty much useless on most situations. You see what matching EQ does is to basically replicate the knobs of the specific amp the original guitarist used. If you scream on a mic and play a pinch harmonic they might show up as similar on an EQ but matching them wont make you sound like a guitar. I'd use the matching feature only for learning purposes.

April 8th, 2012, 03:33 AM	#351 (permalink)
Clark Kent Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,423	The Paramore Ignorance patch has the "Rock 900" with Gain: 9, Bass: 5, Middle: 5, Treble: 5, Presence: 3, Volume: 8. I'm not sure if I posted the older Paramore patch but it had the same settings but Gain on full. __________________ http://www.clarkkentjob.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/clarkkentjob http://www.youtube.com/user/dollarsoundstudio

April 8th, 2012, 03:41 AM	#352 (permalink)
Clark Kent Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,423	Match EQing drums is VERY COMPLICATED. Match EQing kicks works pretty. But snare is almost impossible to match EQ since you can't EQ more snare top into it (it just doesn't sound the same) and also snare has a clear pitch so if you match EQ two snares they should be in the same pitch. This ofcourse means that both of these snares should be tuned in a similar way etc. It's not easy by any means. When match EQing drums you really have to use the smoothing of the match EQ to get a usable tone instead of that phasy weird sound. Ozone5 might be better for drum match EQ. Should I make a tutorial about this? __________________ http://www.clarkkentjob.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/clarkkentjob http://www.youtube.com/user/dollarsoundstudio

April 27th, 2012, 02:04 PM	#357 (permalink)
fenixdoido Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Brasília - Brazil Posts: 972	Clark, I'm sorry for bumping this thread, but I have a problem: 1) I made the eq match with ozone, everything ok. Then I bypass the ampsim and add the sinewave. 2) When I export the sine wave (same sample rate, 15s, tried let 1, 2 ,3 ,4 and 5 seconds empty on the end), and add to deconvolver, deconvolve, it gives me an 1kb wav. When I load as an impulse it just do nothing. What I am doing wrong? Here is the match eq wav file (not deconvolved) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2248618/natas.wav Cheers! __________________

April 27th, 2012, 03:04 PM	#358 (permalink)
Clark Kent Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,423	No problem. If I can't help at times I'm sure other members of the forum can help. Umm... 1kB is not right. So the problem is most likely with the Deconvolver. Are you loading the right sine sweep in the "Test tone file:" That should be the RAW sweep file that you inserted in your DAW and below that is the "file folder" where you should load the sweep that went through Ozone. __________________ http://www.clarkkentjob.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/clarkkentjob http://www.youtube.com/user/dollarsoundstudio

May 2nd, 2012, 12:08 PM	#361 (permalink)
reneisgod myspace.com/cnocantursa Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 866	curious, how are you guys settings up the filter size before capturing? 3hz - 48hz? __________________ ''LOAD THE SPACESHIP WITH THE ROCKET FUEL!''

April 8th, 2012, 01:41 PM	#356 (permalink)
WhyRahVille Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 11	Thanks bro

April 28th, 2012, 03:36 PM	#360 (permalink)
hurdy Sup Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 423	Remember to add a slience at the end of the sine wave in your DAW

May 16th, 2012, 02:20 PM	#362 (permalink)
guitarobert Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2	Clark, you are a god. This is a great technique! I can't tell you how much fun I've been having with it. Here are a couple of things that may help others. 1. For the sine sweep from Voxengo, I reduced it by -18dB and saved that to a new file. Voxengo makes a 0dB sweep by default, which can clip when you run it through the EQ without reducing the level. 2. Based on that -18dB sweep, I made a separate sweep file from it that has 1 second of silence at the end. This way I don't need to add the silence manually each time. So the matching EQ sweep output is made from the "-18dB with silence added" sweep input. Then in Voxengo the original "-18dB without silence added" sweep is used as the reference sweep. Same as what you are doing, but it saves a couple of steps in the workflow. I'm confused by something though. I tried bypassing all the sweeps and Voxengo by putting an impulse directly into the EQ. That's a wav file with the first sample at max value (0dB) followed by all silence. In theory it should work. The frequency response looks overall the same, except everything is stretched in gain. Peaks are higher and dips are lower. But otherwise the shape is the same. If this worked it would be convenient because the impulse can be made straight from 1 file without the deconvolver. Not sure what's going on with it otherwise. Hmm.. Great method and I'm getting good results!

May 16th, 2012, 02:28 PM	#363 (permalink)
Fugdup Fus Ro Dah Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 112	I just recorded a cover of Damage Control by John Petrucci using this method Awesome, and thank you for this!

May 16th, 2012, 06:11 PM	#364 (permalink)
deffpony Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 87	I still have yet to get this to work right. Every single tone I try to replicate comes out with way too much low end. Its like my low end isnt tight at all. I have tried soo many different guitar tones, using all 4 of my guitars, and using every DAW I own. I even bought a new DI box but still the tone comes out like shit. All I want is the Parkway Drive Horizons record tone and I will be happy, but it Just cant have it

May 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM	#365 (permalink)
deffpony Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 87	So seriously, I will be willing to pay someone to tone match me the Parkway Drive Horizons tone. Any takers???

May 17th, 2012, 06:17 PM	#366 (permalink)
hurdy Sup Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 423	@deffpony ^ even if you pay someone to do it, its not gonna sound close enough. They will need your fingers, skill, guitar(& pickup), sound interface, cable and all that to get it to match correctly.

May 31st, 2012, 12:47 PM	#368 (permalink)
sander Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 94	I have yet to try it out, but would match eq-ing DIs work ?

July 6th, 2012, 05:01 AM	#371 (permalink)
Laozen Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 24	Could someone do Periphery´s new album tone? And with lepou´s sims? I think that´s maybe the best rhythm tone I´ve ever heard. Thanks a lot!

July 6th, 2012, 06:34 AM	#372 (permalink)
Clark Kent Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,423	http://soundcloud.com/clark-kent-job/now-i-got-p2 That's the Periphery II tone. Doesn't really work for these higher tunings though. __________________ http://www.clarkkentjob.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/clarkkentjob http://www.youtube.com/user/dollarsoundstudio

July 7th, 2012, 11:46 AM	#374 (permalink)
fenixdoido Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Brasília - Brazil Posts: 972	Clark, Did you see my PM regarding that MARK tones? Cheers! __________________

July 29th, 2012, 05:51 AM	#375 (permalink)
Sethis Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 71	I've tried this method in the past and it is pretty much useless on most situations. You see what matching EQ does is to basically replicate the knobs of the specific amp the original guitarist used. If you scream on a mic and play a pinch harmonic they might show up as similar on an EQ but matching them wont make you sound like a guitar. I'd use the matching feature only for learning purposes.