My new favorite way to get stuff loud ... - Page 2

schwinginbatman · January 31st, 2012, 09:09 AM

I wonder if this would work with a different assorment of plugins. It's a really cool idea, and if I can get mixes to be balls loud without clipping to Hell and back, everything will be OK.

ashgallows · January 31st, 2012, 06:32 PM

just wondering, i was trying this out today subbing in with analog channel 2 as the tape sim, compressor bank 4 as the compressor, n series e.q. and t-racks classic clipper at the end. you talk about having everything peak at 0 but it's clipping all my plugins pretty bad, there are artifacts and the loudness is no where near -8. Is it a case of translation where -18 is really 0 db in PT or is it a case where it only works with this particular plugin chain?

smy1 · February 1st, 2012, 04:40 PM

bassguy: glad you like the Faderhead stuff. I've grown up with Pantera, Slayer, Megadeth, Stuck Mojo, Metallica, etc. - EBM/Industrial was more of a coincidence, really.

schwinginbatman: the only plugin that really matters for this seems to be the Pro-L. Of course the other saturators/compressors shave a few db off of some peaks, but in general I assume it'll still work with just a Pro-L in the mix bus.

ashgallows: I am talking about 0dbVU in Satson, which is -18dbFS.

ashgallows · February 1st, 2012, 05:59 PM

good stuff, it really preserves the feel song. one more thing, would you not drive the pro-l or clipper with the eq or pro-q in this case rather than the compressor as to not clip the eq? I dig the process, just trying to figure out why i'm still pulling -12 rms.

smy1 · February 2nd, 2012, 02:59 AM

ashgallows: I don't know. I just used the compressor because it had the most obvious output gain knob. Yea, I'm simple like that.

And you are probably having problems getting loud because your mix has balance/frequency problems. The "better" my mixes got over the years, the easier it became to get them loud.

schwinginbatman · February 2nd, 2012, 06:35 PM

Also, what levels are your mixes hanging at before this?

EDIT: One more question, does your interface say it's clipping? I'm just wondering, because I'm trying it out with FerricTDS instead of Satson and Voxengo (or do I need to use different plugins?) and it clips pretty fast. I'm sure the frequency range has a decent bit to do with it too.

AndrewB · February 2nd, 2012, 07:45 PM

So what does the Pro-L do that any other clipper/limiter doesn't/can't? It seems like driving any signal into a limiter or clipper hard enough will result in audible overcompression or clipping.

ashgallows · February 2nd, 2012, 08:12 PM

i have a club track peaking at -2 and rms at -14. i also tried it out on a metal track with just the rythmn section (no guitars or vox) peaking -16, rms -30. I read on the forum that keeping the tracks around -18 ish helps with your mix and so far it has, just doesnt seem to get the same results with this method.

smy1 · February 3rd, 2012, 04:52 AM

I really can't help all you guys with your questions. I'm more of an intuitive, "ear"-type mixer. I just wanted to share a method that worked for me, but I can't tell you why it works or doesn't work. Sorry!

schwinginbatman · February 3rd, 2012, 08:16 AM

Yeah, it seems pretty decent. I tried the clipping option in Ozone too, and TBH, so far the Ozone option has worked better. Maybe if I had all the plugins mentioned it'd work better, but for right now I got Ozone up to -6RMS without clipping.

Etrium · February 7th, 2012, 11:42 AM

I tried your method and this is what I get
http://soundcloud.com/etrium/metalmix-1

smy1 · February 8th, 2012, 04:24 AM

Etrium: how loud is that? It sound quite good on my iMac! The track is nice too!

dkTempo · February 26th, 2012, 12:46 PM

Right, maybe I'll understand this if someone can describe what it means to put something "at 1 or 2 db GR" or "at 1-4db GR", mainly steps 3) and 4).

Also, Duende Stereo Compressor, you're using the make-up gain as the output knob?

January 31st, 2012, 06:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
ashgallows resonant manipulator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Culver City Posts: 202	just wondering, i was trying this out today subbing in with analog channel 2 as the tape sim, compressor bank 4 as the compressor, n series e.q. and t-racks classic clipper at the end. you talk about having everything peak at 0 but it's clipping all my plugins pretty bad, there are artifacts and the loudness is no where near -8. Is it a case of translation where -18 is really 0 db in PT or is it a case where it only works with this particular plugin chain? __________________ Time...is fiction

February 1st, 2012, 04:40 PM	#28 (permalink)
smy1 Drink Beer, Kick Ass! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 2,609	bassguy: glad you like the Faderhead stuff. I've grown up with Pantera, Slayer, Megadeth, Stuck Mojo, Metallica, etc. - EBM/Industrial was more of a coincidence, really. schwinginbatman: the only plugin that really matters for this seems to be the Pro-L. Of course the other saturators/compressors shave a few db off of some peaks, but in general I assume it'll still work with just a Pro-L in the mix bus. ashgallows: I am talking about 0dbVU in Satson, which is -18dbFS. __________________ www.faderhead.com www.facebook.com/faderhead www.twitter.com/faderhead

February 1st, 2012, 05:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
ashgallows resonant manipulator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Culver City Posts: 202	good stuff, it really preserves the feel song. one more thing, would you not drive the pro-l or clipper with the eq or pro-q in this case rather than the compressor as to not clip the eq? I dig the process, just trying to figure out why i'm still pulling -12 rms. __________________ Time...is fiction

February 2nd, 2012, 02:59 AM	#30 (permalink)
smy1 Drink Beer, Kick Ass! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 2,609	ashgallows: I don't know. I just used the compressor because it had the most obvious output gain knob. Yea, I'm simple like that. And you are probably having problems getting loud because your mix has balance/frequency problems. The "better" my mixes got over the years, the easier it became to get them loud. __________________ www.faderhead.com www.facebook.com/faderhead www.twitter.com/faderhead

February 2nd, 2012, 06:35 PM	#31 (permalink)
schwinginbatman It's shittay! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 370	Also, what levels are your mixes hanging at before this? EDIT: One more question, does your interface say it's clipping? I'm just wondering, because I'm trying it out with FerricTDS instead of Satson and Voxengo (or do I need to use different plugins?) and it clips pretty fast. I'm sure the frequency range has a decent bit to do with it too. Last edited by schwinginbatman : February 2nd, 2012 at 07:34 PM.

January 31st, 2012, 09:09 AM	#26 (permalink)
schwinginbatman It's shittay! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 370	I wonder if this would work with a different assorment of plugins. It's a really cool idea, and if I can get mixes to be balls loud without clipping to Hell and back, everything will be OK.

February 2nd, 2012, 07:45 PM	#32 (permalink)
AndrewB That Darn Kid Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan Posts: 241	So what does the Pro-L do that any other clipper/limiter doesn't/can't? It seems like driving any signal into a limiter or clipper hard enough will result in audible overcompression or clipping. __________________ It all started when I was born...

February 2nd, 2012, 08:12 PM	#33 (permalink)
ashgallows resonant manipulator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Culver City Posts: 202	i have a club track peaking at -2 and rms at -14. i also tried it out on a metal track with just the rythmn section (no guitars or vox) peaking -16, rms -30. I read on the forum that keeping the tracks around -18 ish helps with your mix and so far it has, just doesnt seem to get the same results with this method. __________________ Time...is fiction

February 3rd, 2012, 04:52 AM	#34 (permalink)
smy1 Drink Beer, Kick Ass! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 2,609	I really can't help all you guys with your questions. I'm more of an intuitive, "ear"-type mixer. I just wanted to share a method that worked for me, but I can't tell you why it works or doesn't work. Sorry! __________________ www.faderhead.com www.facebook.com/faderhead www.twitter.com/faderhead

February 3rd, 2012, 08:16 AM	#35 (permalink)
schwinginbatman It's shittay! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 370	Yeah, it seems pretty decent. I tried the clipping option in Ozone too, and TBH, so far the Ozone option has worked better. Maybe if I had all the plugins mentioned it'd work better, but for right now I got Ozone up to -6RMS without clipping.

February 7th, 2012, 11:42 AM	#36 (permalink)
Etrium Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8	I tried your method and this is what I get http://soundcloud.com/etrium/metalmix-1

February 8th, 2012, 04:24 AM	#37 (permalink)
smy1 Drink Beer, Kick Ass! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 2,609	Etrium: how loud is that? It sound quite good on my iMac! The track is nice too! __________________ www.faderhead.com www.facebook.com/faderhead www.twitter.com/faderhead

February 26th, 2012, 12:46 PM	#38 (permalink)
dkTempo Lieutenant Awesome Join Date: May 2010 Location: No? Posts: 10	Right, maybe I'll understand this if someone can describe what it means to put something "at 1 or 2 db GR" or "at 1-4db GR", mainly steps 3) and 4). Also, Duende Stereo Compressor, you're using the make-up gain as the output knob? __________________ Jeremy Clarkson: "Drummers are a bit like house flies. They're born, they make a noise, then they die." Last edited by dkTempo : February 27th, 2012 at 05:21 PM.