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Old February 20th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Have you tried to boost at 1600Hz instead, that seems to be the only frequency left.

I get exhausted by just looking at the (almost complete) signal chain.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 05:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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sh*t ermz thats a shiiit load of eqing

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Old February 20th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Just curious, but are you doing all this processing in the mix, or is any of it in solo?

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Also this makes me feel alot better about how much "work" I gotta do with guitars. Glad to know other people do have to EQ like crazy sometimes too.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm constantly switching between mix and solo while EQing.

It's interesting that many of you find this to be a lot of processing on guitars. It's only a fraction of what I have to do on most projects.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Man I'd like to see one that you REALLY have to get down on.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Nothing compared to the effort on the Orpheus album haha!Do we get to claim MOST salvaged job by ermz ever?
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Old February 21st, 2012, 06:01 AM   #32 (permalink)
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any chance of posting the the proccessed and un-processed tracks soloed?
will be glad
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Old February 21st, 2012, 06:31 AM   #33 (permalink)
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^ Probably would be a bad comparison, I think a lot of guitar EQing is really about getting the gunk that collides with other stuff out the way, and that does make the guitars sound thinner soloed against the original even if they are much more rounded.

At the end of the day its about getting them to work in the mix anyway. The solo button is a bit of a devil in that regard because using it just makes you concentrate on single elements and disregard the whole picture.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 07:04 AM   #34 (permalink)
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but how about all the times your hear the guitar soloed in a mix? in break or intros.. are they using another eq for that?
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Old February 21st, 2012, 10:06 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Really interesting read, but just for add a quick note about one thing.



In cubase, because plugin can be use in dual mono in PT.
But I'm sure you already know it
Can also be used dual mono in Cubase. I like it for using C4 multiband.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 12:03 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Old February 21st, 2012, 02:17 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Ermz, i f@ckin love you man, no homo but i f@ckin love you!
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Old February 21st, 2012, 04:52 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Ermz... is this like, worst case scenario for you? Or do you find yourself EQing like this all the time? I'm trying to figure out whether this was due to bad recordings on the bands part, or if it's your general thing that you do? I've never EQ'd on guitars this much personally.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 02:23 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 03:51 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I don't get why people are so shocked. I do feel guitars need that kind of treatment as well, and what was shown in this thread is half or less than half of what I usually do. Sometimes it's not about the amount of dB your pulling, but the amount of notches etc.

Good thread Ermz, I definitely thought I was kind of alone on this
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 07:28 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I don't get why people are so shocked. I do feel guitars need that kind of treatment as well, and what was shown in this thread is half or less than half of what I usually do. Sometimes it's not about the amount of dB your pulling, but the amount of notches etc.

Good thread Ermz, I definitely thought I was kind of alone on this
So basically people record with an SM57 and you process the guitar tracks into a LDC combined with a ribbon?

Sorry, carry on.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 07:48 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I'll quote something from the original guide, which will hopefully put some of this discussion to rest.

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Ultimately all you can do in mixing with guitars is to reveal that inherent character in its pristine form. You do this by subtracting the junk. If the raw sound is bad, then your final sound will also be bad. Guitars are notoriously poor at taking processing. Second perhaps only to vocals in this area, they absolutely need to have a good character when raw, otherwise this entire exercise is pointless.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:12 AM   #44 (permalink)
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just to add this (a little off topic) :

if you try to make your own vocals , recorded with an sm 57 sound like, a million equalizers wont give you the sound of an u87 through a fairchild (and also people will still hear you, not whitney houston (rip).
like ermz said, its all about " revealing that inherent character in its pristine form"
in my humble opinion, a guitarsound has to be set WHILE producing a song, not in the mix.
i wasted years, trying to get my sounds to where i wanted them with eq and never got satisfied, until i found out id love my tones more if i WROTE the song with them.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:32 AM   #45 (permalink)
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So basically people record with an SM57 and you process the guitar tracks into a LDC combined with a ribbon?

Sorry, carry on.
Like I wrote on my post, I'm talking about getting rid of junk etc.. Fundamentals that cloud and/or clash against other elements and I'm not talking about notching 10dB and stuff like that.
I actually never did that, rather more precise cuts, but sometimes quite a few of them.

So no, your reply actually made no sense.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 11:51 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Exactly. I usually do a couple of 5-6db notching to get rid of resonant areas and then a few 1-2db cuts to help it fit better on the mix.

Btw, Ermz, I am not amazed by the number of cuts you did, but how wide they were. I remember you saying on a thread a while ago you usually did a bunch of narrow cuts , but by these pics show they're a lot wider than I thought.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 12:30 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I used 5/6 bands in last mix and I thought that was too much and were just a few cuts here and there!lol Very useful info, but I am using impulses so not that much for me. Btw the song even without vocals is awesome.
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Old February 26th, 2012, 08:06 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Old February 26th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #49 (permalink)
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nothing is ever too much if it sounds good in the end..... case in point, right here.

Ermz' chain looks similar to a lot of my mixes.... lot's of processing on lot's of things *where needed*.

it's all about going as far as you need to go to get it *THERE*. no worries about TOO MUCH.

it's art!

Imagine someone telling Dali that one of his works was 'too much'. hahaha, fuck that.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I made a thread about this but no one understand what im asking.

How do you find the right freqs to cut boost Ermz. Your tutorial is awesome, but what if my ears arent as trained as yours and I cant just know exactly what freqs needs taming. And once you find it how do you determine what Q and how much reduction to apply. Thanks in advance.
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