For those who migrated here from Everdying...

DE4life · April 8th, 2008, 05:58 AM

Or those who are interested in joining a new forum, there's been a new forum set up, http://neverdyers.ne.ohost.de/SMF/index.php , should you be interested in getting back in contact with the everdyers. Not many there at the moment but I imagine it'll grow.

AntiWiggin · April 8th, 2008, 10:13 PM

Cool, I could always use another forum to complain about how In Flames don't sound like they used to.

ArchY · April 8th, 2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AntiWiggin

Cool, I could always use another forum to complain about how In Flames don't sound like they used to.

so go to complain, this is the only think most of the people on everdying were used to do..
I really don't regret to have close the forum when I see this kind of message.

IntoPhagist · April 8th, 2008, 11:35 PM

Stay here..fuck this new crap..just make this the Flamers home

DE4life · April 9th, 2008, 06:21 AM

The way Everdying closed, considering the community was so strong there, was a bit of a disgrace and showed a little contempt for all of the users that made it a community in the first place. It had a good mix of people who liked, disliked and weren't sure about In Flames new and old stuff, and I always thought the topics and comments were pretty respectful and intelligent.

ArchY · April 9th, 2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DE4life

The way Everdying closed, considering the community was so strong there, was a bit of a disgrace and showed a little contempt for all of the users that made it a community in the first place. It had a good mix of people who liked, disliked and weren't sure about In Flames new and old stuff, and I always thought the topics and comments were pretty respectful and intelligent.

So your memory is a bit too short or you have skip too many thread... It wasn't "a bit of a disgrace" to see some guy behave like asshole in there ?
The page is turn, now you have many other possibilities, regsiter jeasterhead.com is one of the best if you really like the band and just don't want to bash all the time.

JG234 · April 9th, 2008, 11:10 AM

I was sorry to see Everydying close, it was a good forum.

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I always thought the topics and comments were pretty respectful and intelligent.

Same. But it was Archy's decision, and now it has gone we must move on.

I registered on "neverdyers", but will probably move to Jesterhead.com... or just stay here.
For me, it depends how many members you can get, Sundance. Good luck with Neverdyers, and thank you for setting it up.

Edit: Sundance then. Cheers.

DE4life · April 9th, 2008, 11:18 AM

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So your memory is a bit too short or you have skip too many thread... It wasn't "a bit of a disgrace" to see some guy behave like asshole in there ?
The page is turn, now you have many other possibilities, regsiter jeasterhead.com is one of the best if you really like the band and just don't want to bash all the time.

So one guy acting like an asshole means that you punish all of the users? Couldn't you have just banned him? I'm well aware that the suits at NB can kick your ass for illegal posts but it still seems harsh. Most of the members are Everdying were respectful In Flames fans, and considering I'd been a member there since 2004 or so, I'm not saying that lightly or without knowledge. I can't speak for ALL of them but these boards are far worse for bashing In Flames than Everdying ever was. I do think the way you washed your hands of Everdying like it meant nothing was bad, Archy, especially as a lot of people respected you (and still do) for the way you ran the board and created such a fantastic community. Still, yes, it was your decision and I have moved on, it was just a bit of a kick in the teeth at first and I think it would have been nicer to give the members more of a warning instead of having the forum on pause for weeks with the whole "go buy a sense of purpose in april" message and then just die. It could have been handled better.

You must have become really disillusioned to feel this way about Everdying now, it's kind of sad. I could join Jesterhead, but I get the feeling it's the type of community that revels in a mixture of elitism because they've paid money to be a part of the site and features a lot of 'nicer' comments and a severe crackdown on any criticism. I may be completely wrong, because I have not been there, but that's the main reason I'm not joining, and would rather reregister at neverdyers, as I have done. I may join Jesterhead at a later date but damn, a lot of my money has gone to In Flames over the past few years and I reserve the right to take my time before I decide to join.

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For me, it depends how many members you can get, DE. Good luck with Neverdyers, and thank you for setting it up.

I didn't set it up, Sundance did, thank him.

stardrowned · April 9th, 2008, 12:50 PM

Agreed 110%.

I really got pissed off when Everdying was shut down. I wonder if it was worth it for Archy to give up Everdying after 9 fucking yeats just to get a bit closer to the band. They think that they're rockstars now and I doubt that Archy will get the recognition he wants anyway.

DE4life · April 9th, 2008, 01:03 PM

No idea... far be it for me to judge Archy or In Flames, whatever, the closing down of the board could have been handled a lot better, and whilst people will say 'it's just a message board, don't be gay' ... fuck it, Everdying was a community where you had intelligent In Flames fans, rather than new fans whose arch nemesis is grammar or old schoolers who can't praise the band for anything and contribute nothing but negativity. From reading Plintus review of Jesterhead I don't think it's worth my time... apparently there are few everdyers on there anyway =/ think I'd rather stick around here, or join the new forums when they come about.

ArchY · April 9th, 2008, 01:17 PM

ok, so we speak the truth :

Everdying is finish and I was pissed off, I've create this community there is 9 fuckin years, and yes I had to close it because I knew links leading to the leak album would have been post over there... A very big part of my life come from this forum, to take the decision to close it wasn't very easy.
In another hand, I have register Jesterhead.com because In Flames is my favorite band, and this is not something new. With out without everdying, I would have register anyway.

Of course I have think about everdyer of the first years, of course taking this decision was pain in the ass because this was like my home in there, but the more time was going the less I felt good in there.

I was choose to be Moderator on the fan site, I'm very glad and honnoured about it. This is a great fan site, a lot of stuff and even more every week.
If I wanted to be so close to the band I could have use many other way than this one, I don't want to be a best friend or whatever to In Flames, I'm one of their fan, I like what they do and I support them, this is my way to help to raise In Flames to another level.

I again want to thanks all the everdyers, I really appreciate most of you, I know you will find your way to another In Flames community, Jesterhead.com or another one. You can check everdying.com I will pull link to all In Flames Forums I know (I think almost 15....)

Finally I just hope some of you will understand...

whatever what's happen, Keep the Flame Burning !

ArchY

ArchY · April 9th, 2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DE4life

No idea... far be it for me to judge Archy or In Flames, whatever, the closing down of the board could have been handled a lot better, and whilst people will say 'it's just a message board, don't be gay' ... fuck it, Everdying was a community where you had intelligent In Flames fans, rather than new fans whose arch nemesis is grammar or old schoolers who can't praise the band for anything and contribute nothing but negativity. From reading Plintus review of Jesterhead I don't think it's worth my time... apparently there are few everdyers on there anyway =/ think I'd rather stick around here, or join the new forums when they come about.

I have send an email to everyone... (maybe your email address was not valid...)

DE4life · April 9th, 2008, 01:36 PM

I know you sent the e-mail and yeah I did receive it, but it was still like an 'oh, wait, what?' ... but yeah, it's your community man and if that's how you felt then OK, it's a shame things ended that way! It just came across as... almost like you wanted to wash your hands of it, and didn't care about the members, you know? And the e-mail was just a formality to save face. But you're here defending yourself so fair enough, I'm not going to hold a grudge or anything, and I wish you the best for whatever you choose to do, thanks for giving us Everdying for those 9 years anyway, because whether you think so or not it was appreciated.

plintus · April 9th, 2008, 10:29 PM

I guess, closing ED was a necessary decision, but JH is NOT the ultimate site. Not near Everdying even in ED's bad days. Worse than IFZ. Well, that was my experience (I mean community, NOT the content, which was somewhat cool).

And too bad they banned me from Jesterhead. But I'm rather honored by THAT (recognition, one more time, finally!

), than being labeled "official fan" and tolerating 99% of stupid fucks on there.

Now, lookey here:

www.jesterass.com

Oh, noes :P

p.s. Oh yeah, I so fucking did that

ArchY · April 9th, 2008, 11:34 PM

now your not there there is a lot less of stupid fuck as you say, you are dumb as your finger toe.. You have just stab yourself in the back...

plintus · April 9th, 2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchY

now your not there there is a lot less of stupid fuck as you say, you are dumb as your finger toe.. You have just stab yourself in the back...

Well, if you say so

You know what they did wrong? Their decision, but they could just disable my posting anywhere on the site and forum, but I still had right to receive news AS I FUCKING PAID FOR IT.

Also, I was never explained why my account was disabled, no e-mail, nothing. Don't you think that for $29.95 I should have an notice about what rules I broke and thus I'm banished? Would be nice.

It was clear about the forum - LordHypnos gave sent me a PM, so I knew it was coming at least. But being so ignorant about banning me - without notice - that was really, really low.

You made me thinking - may be I should have my lawyer to look into that. They threaten with oh so mighty Nuclear Blast lawyers when you have a link to another resource on your site, but do they know some have their own attorneys? I don't need fucking money back, I can do that just for the fun of it - sue the fuck out of JH.com or just bring some legal heat to their door, oh, baby, I'm so cool

And I'm so bored...

Please mention - it's not about the band or music, this is about that official fansite.

ArchY · April 10th, 2008, 11:19 AM

you were kick from there because insulting people and judge on the way they look is even more low. You have deserve what has happen.

plintus · April 10th, 2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchY

you were kick from there because insulting people and judge on the way they look is even more low. You have deserve what has happen.

Of course I deserved that, even though there were no personal attacks (for a rather long time)... and that guy in the tie looked ridiculous, I stand by that.

My behavior wasn't going to stay that way, but, quick enough, I got to know how little tolerance there was for anything different on there, another proof that majority of "official fans" don't know such words as "sarcasm" and "irony" and need to be protected from anyone who tries anything like that (well, they pay MONEY for it, right?)

Oh, and how about Neil giving me shit for posting links on JH to samples on Play.com? There was absolutely NOTHING said about links to samples, EVER, and I'm aware enough of copyrighted materials leaking online, aware enough not to spread word about it on official In Flames resource (or anywhere else, actually). Well, little their NB lawyers did when the same link appeared on Gigantour.com WEEK BEFORE ASOP release, which was allegedly very strongly undesired by the band. Play.com had links at all times as well, btw.

That's called "double standards" - trying to get to someone from the crowd and leaving someone else alone just avoiding any conflict or whatever. I wonder what would happen if I posted link to GT website saying it has link to new samples? Oh, lemme guess... ban, of course!

ArchY · April 10th, 2008, 12:40 PM

If you want to continue this discussion, PM, you don't need to bother everyone with your state of "sarcastic and poor" mind

plintus · April 10th, 2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ArchY

If you want to continue this discussion, PM, you don't need to bother everyone with your state of "sarcastic and poor" mind

I'm good, thanks.

Glad to get that one out of my system.

DEAD-BEAT · April 10th, 2008, 02:48 PM

I was also extremely sad to see ED closed down. I don't really feel like paying 30 bucks (45 bucks for us here in Sweden, 'cause of the cost of sending the stuff) for a forum full of people who you cannot insult, haha. Sorry, but if you insult someone, and get perma-banned for it... that just plain out sucks.

I'm gonna join Neverdyers soon, ED was the best IF forum ever, and I will stand by it.

BTW! Plintus, please do keep posting about your "state of mind", I find it extremely enjoyable to read as I seem to share your opinion on some matters. It's also nice to hear a non-biased opinion on the jesterhead.

plintus · April 10th, 2008, 09:03 PM

Well, there gona be plenty of everything, I'm sure

As of JH - everyone has their perspective, I'd say you need experience that for yourself... The site is cool, tons of information on the eve of ASOP release, but community - that's a different story.

I just wonder what kind of attention there going to be after www.inflames1.com is up

AntiWiggin · April 10th, 2008, 09:30 PM

I don't really want to be a dick to the band, but making fans pay money do discuss (read: positive feedback only) the band is pretty gay. I genuinely hope this is not the band members idea but rather some corporate assholes doing. That idea allows me to keep a bit of faith in the band...

plintus · April 10th, 2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AntiWiggin

I don't really want to be a dick to the band, but making fans pay money do discuss (read: positive feedback only) the band is pretty gay. I genuinely hope this is not the band members idea but rather some corporate assholes doing. That idea allows me to keep a bit of faith in the band...

JH is a PR move.

Another "comes with"

sundance · April 12th, 2008, 05:39 AM

the short domain is http://www.neverdyers.tk by the way. feel free to sign up. we're currently working on a new forum.

April 8th, 2008, 05:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
DE4life Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,343	For those who migrated here from Everdying... Or those who are interested in joining a new forum, there's been a new forum set up, http://neverdyers.ne.ohost.de/SMF/index.php , should you be interested in getting back in contact with the everdyers. Not many there at the moment but I imagine it'll grow.

April 8th, 2008, 11:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
IntoPhagist FloriiiiiiiooooooOOO! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York City and Around Posts: 2,148	Stay here..fuck this new crap..just make this the Flamers home __________________ Hello there!

April 9th, 2008, 12:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
stardrowned The doctor is in... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: neverwhere Posts: 1,211	Agreed 110%. I really got pissed off when Everdying was shut down. I wonder if it was worth it for Archy to give up Everdying after 9 fucking yeats just to get a bit closer to the band. They think that they're rockstars now and I doubt that Archy will get the recognition he wants anyway. __________________ ...heavenly thirst - unspeakable pain

April 9th, 2008, 01:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
ArchY French Flamer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 242	ok, so we speak the truth : Everdying is finish and I was pissed off, I've create this community there is 9 fuckin years, and yes I had to close it because I knew links leading to the leak album would have been post over there... A very big part of my life come from this forum, to take the decision to close it wasn't very easy. In another hand, I have register Jesterhead.com because In Flames is my favorite band, and this is not something new. With out without everdying, I would have register anyway. Of course I have think about everdyer of the first years, of course taking this decision was pain in the ass because this was like my home in there, but the more time was going the less I felt good in there. I was choose to be Moderator on the fan site, I'm very glad and honnoured about it. This is a great fan site, a lot of stuff and even more every week. If I wanted to be so close to the band I could have use many other way than this one, I don't want to be a best friend or whatever to In Flames, I'm one of their fan, I like what they do and I support them, this is my way to help to raise In Flames to another level. I again want to thanks all the everdyers, I really appreciate most of you, I know you will find your way to another In Flames community, Jesterhead.com or another one. You can check everdying.com I will pull link to all In Flames Forums I know (I think almost 15....) Finally I just hope some of you will understand... whatever what's happen, Keep the Flame Burning ! ArchY __________________ Everdying.com JesterHead

April 9th, 2008, 11:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
ArchY French Flamer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 242	now your not there there is a lot less of stupid fuck as you say, you are dumb as your finger toe.. You have just stab yourself in the back... __________________ Everdying.com JesterHead

April 8th, 2008, 10:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
AntiWiggin Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 67	Cool, I could always use another forum to complain about how In Flames don't sound like they used to.

April 9th, 2008, 06:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
DE4life Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,343	The way Everdying closed, considering the community was so strong there, was a bit of a disgrace and showed a little contempt for all of the users that made it a community in the first place. It had a good mix of people who liked, disliked and weren't sure about In Flames new and old stuff, and I always thought the topics and comments were pretty respectful and intelligent.

April 9th, 2008, 01:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
DE4life Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,343	No idea... far be it for me to judge Archy or In Flames, whatever, the closing down of the board could have been handled a lot better, and whilst people will say 'it's just a message board, don't be gay' ... fuck it, Everdying was a community where you had intelligent In Flames fans, rather than new fans whose arch nemesis is grammar or old schoolers who can't praise the band for anything and contribute nothing but negativity. From reading Plintus review of Jesterhead I don't think it's worth my time... apparently there are few everdyers on there anyway =/ think I'd rather stick around here, or join the new forums when they come about.

April 9th, 2008, 01:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
DE4life Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,343	I know you sent the e-mail and yeah I did receive it, but it was still like an 'oh, wait, what?' ... but yeah, it's your community man and if that's how you felt then OK, it's a shame things ended that way! It just came across as... almost like you wanted to wash your hands of it, and didn't care about the members, you know? And the e-mail was just a formality to save face. But you're here defending yourself so fair enough, I'm not going to hold a grudge or anything, and I wish you the best for whatever you choose to do, thanks for giving us Everdying for those 9 years anyway, because whether you think so or not it was appreciated.

April 10th, 2008, 11:19 AM	#17 (permalink)
ArchY French Flamer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 242	you were kick from there because insulting people and judge on the way they look is even more low. You have deserve what has happen. __________________ Everdying.com JesterHead Last edited by ArchY : April 10th, 2008 at 11:27 AM.

April 10th, 2008, 12:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
ArchY French Flamer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Paris Posts: 242	If you want to continue this discussion, PM, you don't need to bother everyone with your state of "sarcastic and poor" mind __________________ Everdying.com JesterHead

April 10th, 2008, 02:48 PM	#21 (permalink)
DEAD-BEAT Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 120	I was also extremely sad to see ED closed down. I don't really feel like paying 30 bucks (45 bucks for us here in Sweden, 'cause of the cost of sending the stuff) for a forum full of people who you cannot insult, haha. Sorry, but if you insult someone, and get perma-banned for it... that just plain out sucks. I'm gonna join Neverdyers soon, ED was the best IF forum ever, and I will stand by it. BTW! Plintus, please do keep posting about your "state of mind", I find it extremely enjoyable to read as I seem to share your opinion on some matters. It's also nice to hear a non-biased opinion on the jesterhead.

April 10th, 2008, 09:30 PM	#23 (permalink)
AntiWiggin Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 67	I don't really want to be a dick to the band, but making fans pay money do discuss (read: positive feedback only) the band is pretty gay. I genuinely hope this is not the band members idea but rather some corporate assholes doing. That idea allows me to keep a bit of faith in the band...

April 12th, 2008, 05:39 AM	#25 (permalink)
sundance Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 140	the short domain is http://www.neverdyers.tk by the way. feel free to sign up. we're currently working on a new forum.