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Old October 24th, 2011, 08:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure that they continue to grow their legacy because they keep getting bigger, but not necessarily more commercial. And I think if they started with R2R they would still be my favorite band and other people's as well.
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Old October 24th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Commercially it would make no sense whatsoever for them to do that. And it's obvious they don't really care about their "legacy".
True, that much is obvious.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 09:43 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I must agree with violentrl.

If In Flames started with RTR, they would be observed like something between Korn and Killswitch engage. Popular (especially in the USA), modern, catchy band with no real substance or importance to overall history of hard rock and metal.

Luckily for them, they have TJR, Whoracle, Colony and Clayman, so they still have legendary status.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 09:56 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, I don't think N'Flamez view their older albums in the same way most of us do.

In fact, I think they consider those albums an annoying burden. They'd much rather be remembered for the "grooves" and sing-a-long chorus's and emo lyrics ... as opposed to epic guitar work, incredible vocals, amazing lyrics and fans who don't look like dickheads. Go figure.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 04:38 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, I don't think N'Flamez view their older albums in the same way most of us do.

In fact, I think they consider those albums an annoying burden. They'd much rather be remembered for the "grooves" and sing-a-long chorus's and emo lyrics ... as opposed to epic guitar work, incredible vocals, amazing lyrics and fans who don't look like dickheads. Go figure.
Not sure if you are trolling or not, but their view is that on each album they've done, they've done the best they could at the time. And they are all super proud of all their albums.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 04:43 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Lunar Strain to Clayman was a progress and a very good one. In Flames would be legendary if they ended their career after that.
If In Flames only made new catalogue from Reroute to SOPF, no one would give a shit about them, they would just be another generic band.

They should make more "A New Dawn" type songs with Anders growling again.
So you in all honesty would rather not have ANY of the post-Clayman albums existing? If you just like ONE song post Clayman, it's just something positive that they didn't abruptly break up after Clayman. Yes, Lunar Strain to Clayman was also a big progression, but R2R-SOAPF isn't any bigger. We should be glad we have even Colony & Clayman the way they are, Fredrik Nordström said IF was really tired of the guitar harmonies while recording Whoracle, but he told them they had to do them all, but I guess later they decided to do what they really wanted and not give a fuck about letting down people expecting certain stuff from them, and I think that's a good thing.
So in a way, you could actually say IF mini-sold out while doing Whoracle since they didn't actually do what they wanted. Though I think their reason was for not letting down fans rather than money, as they were kinda underground still. You could perceive it as a kind of sell-out though ^^
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Old October 25th, 2011, 04:47 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Not sure if you are trolling or not, but their view is that on each album they've done, they've done the best they could at the time. And they are all super proud of all their albums.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Not just proud, SUPER proud!
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Old October 25th, 2011, 05:16 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Old October 26th, 2011, 04:48 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Not just proud, SUPER proud!


Saying you're super proud of STYE or ASOP is essentially like saying you're super proud you just shit yourself.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 06:14 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Hey man, they don't care what you think...or maybe they do...

The quallity of music is determined by the test of time. Most of "new era" albums failed on that test. They have the quallity of every other modern pop release: catchy, uptempo, simple etc but short-lived.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 06:31 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Hey man, they don't care what you think...or maybe they do...
Man, that just makes me feel like shit ... but at least I feel something

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The quallity of music is determined by the test of time. Most of "new era" albums failed on that test. They have the quallity of every other modern pop release: catchy, uptempo, simple etc but short-lived.
Agreed. But as long as they're super proud it's OK
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Old October 26th, 2011, 06:35 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Man, that just makes me feel like shit ... but at least I feel something
It never gets old...

Oh, the irony...the most influential In Flames lyrics of all time.
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Old October 26th, 2011, 07:13 AM   #39 (permalink)
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The line is just so terrible you can basically apply it to anything for a laugh good old Anders and his early-mid-life emo crisis.
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Saying you're super proud of STYE or ASOP is essentially like saying you're super proud you just shit yourself.
What if you've been extremely constipated for so long that shitting yourself is a huge relief??
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What if you've been extremely constipated for so long that shitting yourself is a huge relief??
People are still going to be like
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Old October 26th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #42 (permalink)
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So... we're essentially just having the same Old vs. New argument which has dominated 90% of In Flames discussion for about 10 years?

Oh well, I genuinely thought that SOAPF was so different to any release post-Reroute that it might have made people see things differently. Guess I was wrong...
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Not just proud, SUPER proud!
Don't laugh at me, it's not my words, it's a direct quote. I'm just the messenger ^^ Btw the Disconnected lyric line joke is not at all getting old or boring.
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You know it. Actually, when I'm gaming, my nick is actually Whoracle
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So... we're essentially just having the same Old vs. New argument which has dominated 90% of In Flames discussion for about 10 years?

Oh well, I genuinely thought that SOAPF was so different to any release post-Reroute that it might have made people see things differently. Guess I was wrong...
Unfortunately releasing SOAPF does not erase STYE or ASOP from their history. It's like pushing an old lady down the stairs, twice, then later helping her across the road (whilst showing no remorse for your horrific past actions) and saying "see, I'm good now". No, you're still an asshole for what you did before, fuck you

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Well then he isn't laughing at you, is he?

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I'm glad you are still amused by it bro I'll have to use it more often.
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STFU bashing STYE will you? Geez. STYE FTW, it is Metulz and you know it.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Unfortunately releasing SOAPF does not erase STYE or ASOP from their history. It's like pushing an old lady down the stairs, twice, then later helping her across the road (whilst showing no remorse for your horrific past actions) and saying "see, I'm good now". No, you're still an asshole for what you did before, fuck you



Well then he isn't laughing at you, is he?



I'm glad you are still amused by it bro I'll have to use it more often.
You really remind me of WeAreInFlames, you're like a clone, which isn't really something positive.
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You really remind me of WeAreInFlames, you're like a clone, which isn't really something positive.
Dude, I think you just got troll'd hard.

I also have to say that STYE is way better than SOAPF, now that some time has passed. At least I want to listen to STYE every once in a while, whereas I havent listened to SOAPF in months, nor do I want to.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 02:26 PM   #49 (permalink)
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You are such a dick DTB! SOAPF is waaaaay better than shitty, boring, emo wannabe STYE. Why can't you and Krofi talk some sense once in a while?
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Old October 28th, 2011, 06:39 PM   #50 (permalink)
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STYE at least still has a bit of that raw energy to it. SOAPF sounds too fucking happy quite often, and overall songs are a lot less memorable. I'm making myself listen to it right now, and the only song that I actually want to listen is Fear is the weakness.
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