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Old January 19th, 2004, 05:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question whats the difference between thrash and speed metal?

ive never been able to pin down the difference between thrash and speed metal. can anyone clear this up for me?
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Old January 19th, 2004, 05:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I dont think there is a difference. I'm pretty sure that nowadays they're one and the same.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 05:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thrash is more agressive in delivery and uses more distortion. Thrash has a more intense drum sound.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 05:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This is correct. A primary example of a typical thrash metal album is Slayer's "Reign in Blood". An example of the quintessential speed metal album would be Metallica's "Master of Puppets". Thrash has a more abrasive sound...riffs are everywhere and usually has more change-ups within the song. Speed metal kinda has a flow to it, more of a direction if you will.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 07:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Most thrash can be referred to as speed metal too, but you can't really say that most speed metal can be referred to as thrash. For example, early Blind Guardian and early Helloween is speed metal, but it is not thrash. It is less agressive, less dark, and cleaner sounding than thrash. However, early Metallica, Testament, Anthrax, Megadeth, etc. can be referred to as speed metal, but it is definitely thrash.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 08:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I always thought of them as pretty much one in the same.
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Old January 20th, 2004, 05:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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so by this logic is thrash basically a 'nastier' version of speed metal?

where do bands like motorhead and the exploited fit here ive heared of them being reffered to as thrash is this a different understanding of the genre or ....
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Old January 20th, 2004, 01:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I agree with Lifesucks' description.


Regardless, Motorhead and Accept were proto-thrash. Their raw delivery and faster tempos were really the blueprint for early thrash. But...it's not all they did. In Motorhead's case they also wrote many bluesy songs, and of course much midtempo stuff. The "proto-thrash" numbers of theirs would have been stuff like "Overkill", "The Hammer" for example. Heavy on double bass, and far from clean guitar tone. With Accept, "Fast As a Shark" is prime proto-thrash. In their case too they played other styles too, much mid-tempo pounding. Metallica were really the first all-thrash/speed band, as that's pretty much all they did. You can see them call Motorhead a huge influence in many early interviews.
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Old January 20th, 2004, 02:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I've always thought the difference the emphasis on melody. Like thrash and speed sound similar but speed has more of an emphasis on melody, particularly in the vocals (sing-along chorus structure, stuff like that), whereas thrash does not.
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Old January 20th, 2004, 05:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Thrash is heavily influenced by hardcore punk & much dirtier than speed metal, which is traditional metal played really fast.
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Old January 21st, 2004, 07:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hm, i used to think that there wasn't a difference. Then i thought that 'thrash' was used to describe the more 'technical' bands, and 'speed' the less technical. Now, i have no idea, heh.
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 04:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Ive always thought they were just two different names for the same thing really, ah well, whatever
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 02:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Ive always thought they were just two different names for the same thing really, ah well, whatever
That could very well be. I'm quite confused after reading this thread.
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 08:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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My opinon on this matter is as follows:

Speed Metal is fast heavymetal with clean vocals.
Thrash is fast heavymetal with a little bit ruffer vocals and more riffchanges.

I consider Anthrax - Spreading the Disease and Judas Priest - Painkiller as speed metal.
And Sodom - Agent Orange and Metallica - Kill `Em All as thrash.
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 09:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
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^That says it.

Iron Maiden - Aces High also counts as speed metal, whereas The Crown and Sepultura, definitely thrash.
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