Black Metal.

[Dazed and Brutal]

Yea because they were/are black metal.

[Life Sucks]

Slayer used to be considered black metal, too, back in the earlier 80s. Essentially, anything satanic was considered black metal. If Judas Priest had satanic lyrics, they would have been considered black metal as well (look at King Diamond/Mercyful Fate, whose music is essentially NWOBHM with an evil twist). The term heavy metal itself came from Jimi Hendrix or Led Zeppelin (I forget which), neither of which is considered metal today.

[Dazed and Brutal]

Don't associate Mercyful Fate with NWOBHM because they are from Denmark.

edit: But yea I understand what you're saying, but Venom is still Black Metal... They have a fucking album called Black Metal.

[Doomcifer]

[Hatebreeder]

Originally Posted by Life Sucks

Slayer used to be considered black metal, too, back in the earlier 80s. Essentially, anything satanic was considered black metal. If Judas Priest had satanic lyrics, they would have been considered black metal as well (look at King Diamond/Mercyful Fate, whose music is essentially NWOBHM with an evil twist). The term heavy metal itself came from Jimi Hendrix or Led Zeppelin (I forget which), neither of which is considered metal today.

Actually, "heavy metal" came from the lyrics of "Born to be Wild" by Steppenwolf. Led Zeppelin just sort of solidified the term with their band name.

In addition, some still consider Led Zeppelin to be a metal band, so don't be too quick to namedrop them for your argument.

[Seditious]

Originally Posted by Hatebreeder

Actually, "heavy metal" came from the lyrics of "Born to be Wild" by Steppenwolf. Led Zeppelin just sort of solidified the term with their band name.

I had always heard a reviewer commented on Black Sabbath that they 'sounded like heavy metal' or something and that's where it came from.

google says Black Sab predate Zepplin by 2 years so maybe it did start there?

[Dodens Grav]

Sabbath don't predate Zeppelin.

[ohiogrinder]

Originally Posted by Necuratul

According to who?

And regardless of what you think, Venom has always, and will always be Black Metal. You can't retroactively be removed of something that you once were. The problem is that you're looking backwards, when you should be looking forward from back then. Look at the line of progression from the beginning, not from where it is now. Look at the end product and saying that what was at the beginning has nothing to do with what's at the end is just silly.

I'm sorry, anyone who doesn't consider Venom Black Metal either has a vendetta against the band or doesn't really know what they're talking about.

why would you think that I hate them?

I love Venom. no vendetta. I say tomayto you say tomahto. same difference.

[Evil?]

So did you guys hear about the new Taake controversy? Personally I think people need to fucking relax.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=69296
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/bla...wsitemID=69377

[Dazed and Brutal]

Meh, it's fucking Black Metal, you're allowed to hate christianity, but get ostracized for hating jews. Pretty fucking hypocritical if you ask me.