Black Metal.

[MasterOLightning]

Unless you're already quite familiar with black metal, Panzerfaust is the best album to start with. It's probably the most accessible, followed by Transilvanian Hunger. I'd say you could pick up the rest in any order after that.

[hibernal_dream]

Originally Posted by V.V.V.V.V.

What in the FUCK? There are GIGANTIC, UNBELIEVABLY HORRIFYINGLY LARGE stylistic differences between SJ and ABITNS. SJ is death metal because of the strange, technical, complex structures while almost ALL other Darkthrone material is definitely categorized as some of the most pure and copied, tried-and-true black metal ever to exist. Where are you even basing your conclusions?

The songs on ABITNS concern themselves more with patterns, shapes and rhythms which are the domain of death metal. On UAFM the songs are driven by melody and rely to a greater extent on atmosphere. It's not pure BM and ABITNS is nowhere near pure DM, but if you wanted to classify ABITNS as black metal, you'd have to call bands like Cadaver black metal.

[thisisaformicatable]

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

Thrash is a gimmick, crossover is a gimmick, powerviolence in a gimmick, etc

If you're going by that shit logic.

No, I'm afraid you don't quite follow my shit logic. As I said, the key question is "why?". If the band has a good answer then it might not be a gimmick, it might even spawn a whole artistic movement. Let me know when screamo/black metal/post-punk catches on, alright?

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

Screamo and post-hardcore are not in any way pop, what with the point of me refering to pop as a musical genre and NOT the bullshit typical way of using pop to refer to popular music.

And even in that way - of refering to pop bands as simply popular bands you'd be fuckin' wrong too because I've NEVER once heard a screamo band get radio play, and obviously you'd agree with black metal not being too popular - I'd give post-hardcore popular status but BARELY.

Nope, there's another definition of "popular music" that you're missing: the formal one.

[Mort Divine]

Originally Posted by thisisaformicatable

No, I'm afraid you don't quite follow my shit logic. As I said, the key question is "why?". If the band has a good answer then it might not be a gimmick, it might even spawn a whole artistic movement. Let me know when screamo/black metal/post-punk catches on, alright?


Nope, there's another definition of "popular music" that you're missing: the formal one.

Why does something have to catch on the be relevent?

So basically - we're going with "any music other than classical and folk" - so essentially black metal shouldn't experiment

EDIT: Post-punk =/= post-hardcore

[Troll_Forest]

This is BM discussion right?!?!

Arckanum.



.......Nuff' said.

[thisisaformicatable]

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

Why does something have to catch on the be relevent?

Because otherwise it's probably a gimmick. Try to explain otherwise - I'd love to hear what makes Solstafir relevant and understand the purpose of combining black metal and screamo/post-hardcore.

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

So basically - we're going with "any music other than classical and folk" - so essentially black metal shouldn't experiment

If there's a point then go ahead, but experimenting for the sake of experimenting only leads to novelty.

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

EDIT: Post-punk =/= post-hardcore

My bad.

[Mort Divine]

Originally Posted by thisisaformicatable

Because otherwise it's probably a gimmick. Try to explain otherwise - I'd love to hear what makes Solstafir relevant and understand the purpose of combining black metal and screamo/post-hardcore.


If there's a point then go ahead, but experimenting for the sake of experimenting only leads to novelty.


My bad.

Because they desired to make an album in which black metal and screamo were fused, and obviously mixing two styles of music whose fanbases are completely at odds (more so the idiot black metal fans are at odds with the screamo kids who seem to in all reality don't seem to have too many issues with people [on the whole anyways they seem content to be left alone with their fight against callousness]) wouldn't be a gimmick that would do them any good from a monetary standpoint. I can't speak for their motives behind it - but could just a simple desire to combine two things one loves to create a greater whole not be something "ungimmicky," because in all honesty they don't come across as a gimmicky band - and do come off as "real" so I doubt that their mixture was for a "bad" "false" "untrue" purpose.

I'm fairly certain you hate the entire avant-garde movement then, the entire purpose of which is to experiment as much as possible and break as many boundaries - just for the sake of doing things that were never done before.

Experimentation for experimentation can produce abortions - but honestly it is NOT up to the listener to decide if a band is experimenting just to experiment or because they have a purpose, and fuck - a band doesn't need any purpose other than "they want to do it" "they like it" and "it is what they love to do" to make any music, so I'll be damned if those are not good enough reasons to experiment musically.

[thisisaformicatable]

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

Because they desired to make an album in which black metal and screamo were fused, and obviously mixing two styles of music whose fanbases are completely at odds (more so the idiot black metal fans are at odds with the screamo kids who seem to in all reality don't seem to have too many issues with people [on the whole anyways they seem content to be left alone with their fight against callousness]) wouldn't be a gimmick that would do them any good from a monetary standpoint. I can't speak for their motives behind it - but could just a simple desire to combine two things one loves to create a greater whole not be something "ungimmicky," because in all honesty they don't come across as a gimmicky band - and do come off as "real" so I doubt that their mixture was for a "bad" "false" "untrue" purpose.

Ok, so we aren't sure what the purpose is then?

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

I'm fairly certain you hate the entire avant-garde movement then, the entire purpose of which is to experiment as much as possible and break as many boundaries - just for the sake of doing things that were never done before.

Not a big fan of modern art. Fountain gave us something to talk about I guess, and there's a lot more to Dada than just experimenting for it's own sake - what are you referring to exactly?

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

Experimentation for experimentation can produce abortions - but honestly it is NOT up to the listener to decide if a band is experimenting just to experiment or because they have a purpose, and fuck - a band doesn't need any purpose other than "they want to do it" "they like it" and "it is what they love to do" to make any music, so I'll be damned if those are not good enough reasons to experiment musically.

It isn't up to the listener? What is the listener's role then, if not interpretation? Is it anything beyond mindless consumption?

[Mort Divine]

Originally Posted by thisisaformicatable

Ok, so we aren't sure what the purpose is then?

Not a big fan of modern art. Fountain gave us something to talk about I guess, and there's a lot more to Dada than just experimenting for it's own sake - what are you referring to exactly?

It isn't up to the listener? What is the listener's role then, if not interpretation? Is it anything beyond mindless consumption?

No, we can't be sure because none of us know the band, which is my whole point really - we can view something as experimentation for the sake of experimentation, but we can never be sure without knowing the artists intentions, and it isn't really within our capacity to truely say if they were or were not just doing shit just for shits sake.

I'm just refering to avant-garde music really - John Cage and his types, who seem to be making music the way they do without any real "convention" and I'll admit I can't properly judge their intent but it does seem that the intent is simply to be different.