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Old September 4th, 2006, 12:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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...are banal crap?

In truth, this band used to be taken seriously, but are now marketed towards a teenie-audience, which they seem to be comfortable with. They have done that music way before Rammstein actually.

What about that more wave-related stuff: Das Ich, Lacrimosa, Goethes Erben? - It's not my preferred style, but I have to say that they take way more care for their lyrics...

indeed; there are only a few songs i actually care for off GlaubeLiebeTod, same for Wahrheit oder Pflicht... really the earlier stuff, minus their first album ever, is the best... and i dont really like the first album because it's way too much electronica for me. I like the german rock, although it would probably be easier to understand the lyrics if i did listen to some softer music... but that's what Unheilig is for...

as for the latter paragraph, nope i havent ever heard any of that... german music isnt exactly common over here, even less so than music from many other parts of the world (for example i can go to a CD store and get recordings of tribal music from africa or gamelan from indonesia no problem, but if you ask for say Megaherz or in some places even Rammstein everyone has no clue or even how to go about locating some)
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Old September 4th, 2006, 12:29 PM   #27 (permalink)
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My whole quest for German lyrics is because I am trying to learn German (and re-learn all that I have forgotten over the years since school), and I love the sound of the language. I am hell-bent on making it over there for various reasons in the future and don't care to depend on everyone else's grasp of English. Anyway, enough of that...

BTW, I've poked around and found your first recommendations to be very good! You're being wonderfully helpful and I thank you for that.

im fortunate on one hand that im taking it in school... yet not fortunate because every summer i forget everything (literally) so when i go back to school, everyone else is having conversations and im struggling to remember "hallo mein name ist..."

and im at a level that's high enough where this is a big problem

cursed me for not having anyone to practice with.... and cursed them for actually being from germany


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Old September 4th, 2006, 01:32 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I'm on a bit of an educational suicide mission, I think. I started learning bits of German around 5th grade, took a couple of years in High School and did very well, but didn't have any reason to practice or remember since then. And that was a looooooong time ago. Ich bin doch alt.

So, being the geek that I am, I was listening to my shortwave radio and heard Deutsche Welle's ,,Deutsch: Warum Nicht?" program. Ah-hah! Warum nicht, indeed! Now I'm going through the freebie program they offer on their site, and also have a German friend online to bother. Things are coming back to me, but I'm much better at reading and understanding than composing so far. And that's not saying much

Anyway, if I can prove to myself that I've got the discipline to stick with it, and I think I do, then I'm going to go after more formal education. In the mean time, I'm having fun with learning.

This thread's gone in a few different directions, hasn't it?
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Old September 4th, 2006, 01:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I haven't a clue about NDH, what it is or anything like that. However, on my travels in music, I've found that some people can 'like the music' of something like NSBM or whatever without getting into the politics. I'm one of those that just can't even deal with being associated with it at all, so I simply avoid it.

Yes, I am sure there is a big giant, looming cloud of hypocrisy over me in that I can listen to standard anti-Christian or whatever in metal, but when it comes to the racist stuff, I can't deal. At least I acknowledge this issue, I suppose.

And, yes, Prussian Blue scares me more than Skrewdriver, honestly.

My whole quest for German lyrics is because I am trying to learn German (and re-learn all that I have forgotten over the years since school), and I love the sound of the language. I am hell-bent on making it over there for various reasons in the future and don't care to depend on everyone else's grasp of English. Anyway, enough of that...

BTW, I've poked around and found your first recommendations to be very good! You're being wonderfully helpful and I thank you for that.
We all share this hypocrisy: Listening to music that is often misanthropic and propagating violence, while on the other hand we discard the self same things as soon as racism is added to this picture. Honestly though, I am not inclined to change anything about this, because I see general aggression displayed in music either as fictive or a means to vent one's anger, because it is directed into no specific direction (like an ethnicity)...well, and it has become a sourt of entertainment since long. Perverse somehwo, but true - maybe ever since Roman circus shows?

Anyway, you're welcome over here, and feel free to go on with your questions!

As far as German in music goes, maybe it is not that difficult for an American to get a hold of the Kurt Weill songs with Bertolt Brecht's lyrics, given that Brecht's plays have been quite popular over there as well...now were definitely out of metal....
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Old September 4th, 2006, 02:27 PM   #30 (permalink)
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well you are welcome to keep David Hasselhoff... please...
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Old September 4th, 2006, 02:28 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I'm on a bit of an educational suicide mission, I think. I started learning bits of German around 5th grade, took a couple of years in High School and did very well, but didn't have any reason to practice or remember since then. And that was a looooooong time ago. Ich bin doch alt.

So, being the geek that I am, I was listening to my shortwave radio and heard Deutsche Welle's ,,Deutsch: Warum Nicht?" program. Ah-hah! Warum nicht, indeed! Now I'm going through the freebie program they offer on their site, and also have a German friend online to bother. Things are coming back to me, but I'm much better at reading and understanding than composing so far. And that's not saying much

Anyway, if I can prove to myself that I've got the discipline to stick with it, and I think I do, then I'm going to go after more formal education. In the mean time, I'm having fun with learning.

This thread's gone in a few different directions, hasn't it?
it just means this thread has life; sides from the looks of things, it has reinvigorated this forum

also if you want some PC training may i recommend rosetta stone?

it's a program that is used in foreign language labs to reinforce and teach basic concepts...
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Occam's Razor: Vielen Dank for your kindness. I share your ideas on the reasons why we can deal with one 'negative' aspect of aggressive music, but perhaps not others. I'm going back and forth between this thread and another on a different site about looking for music with German lyrics, in between taking notes on some of my lessons! And, yes, perhaps Brecht is a bit too far. Haha!

Söy: Well, so long as we don't get yelled at for having a completely round about off-topic thread or something, I'm enjoying it in here!

I've found out that if I go get a library card for the Phoenix library, apparently I can do the Rosetta Stone software through the library online! I'm really wanting to do that. It's a bit of a drive to even get to Phoenix from where I am, but I do believe it's worth it. I've heard lots of good things about the Rosetta Stone programs from folks who do lots of travelling.

I know my pronunciation isn't as horrible as most folks' because I've apparently surprised various Germans and Austrians with my non-butchery of their language. I'm quite sure it is FAR from perfect, but at least I'm not cringe-inducing.

Growing up, a friend's mother was German and was thrilled that I'd speak German with her, even though I knew almost nothing. Her daughter was very fluent but didn't want to bother with it. So, I had that going for me. In high school, we had two different German teachers, both native speakers, and I got high marks from them in pronunciation. There is hope for me yet!
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Old September 4th, 2006, 06:31 PM   #33 (permalink)
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IMO it's easy to pronounce; it's all the grammar rules and constructions that trip me up... that and the fact that my vocabularly dies as soon as someone addresses me in English right after class *sigh*

but yeah i have rosetta stone at home... i dont really use it much namely because what spare time i have, i dont want to spend it doing "work"

originally eine Frau was my motivation for wanting to even learn german, and then i got stuck enjoying it haha
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Old September 5th, 2006, 02:00 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I'm always stunned when somebody learns German. I consider German quite dificult for foreign language speakers because of its grammar which consists of more trapfalls than regular rules.

I myself had a hard time with Latin, which is similarly hard to grasp, especially because it's dead, haha.

Anyway: Atrocity had some German songs, and I don't mean their bad 80s cover versions, and there is a lot of indie-alterna-stuff where the lyrics are actually better than the music - like Kettcar (formerly But Alive) or Muff Potter...again, this is really beyond metal.
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Old September 5th, 2006, 03:47 AM   #35 (permalink)
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ehhh i learned spanish before german, and in spanish it's more or less anything goes, at least the Latin America form... from what i understand the Spain form is a bit more structured...

and i never got less than good grades in spanish soooo


aber Deutsch ist spaß. Härt, aber spaß. spanisch = langweilig...
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Yes, I did Spanish as well for a while. Latin helped me, of course, but I switched subjects at University. I'm now about to graduate in German and English studies, my final large written paper being in English literature
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Old September 5th, 2006, 07:16 PM   #37 (permalink)
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cooooooooooool heh youll have to excuse me; im beat... 'twas a long day
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Old September 11th, 2006, 06:59 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I hope you guys are not attracted by NDH because it is coquetting with Nazi-imagery. Strangely enough, this is pretty atractive for Americans...heard about these two 14-year-old girls called Prussian Blue that sing Hitlerian hate anthems?
i don't think that bands like Oomph!, Megahertz, Eisbrecher, etc. are coquetting with nazi-imagery... only Rammstein use the outer appearance of a stereotyped optical image of man from that time.
and it's only the appearance. all people looked that way back in those days, cos it was the current look back then
anyway, Rammstein could easily be a stand-alone issue ...

well, anyway, i have named already some more bands singing in german.
(btw, GlaubeLiebeTod is the latest album from Oomph! I also recommend "Unrein")

another band singing in german is Eisheilig (don't mix with Eisregen )
Wolfsheim is singing in german too.

and some "austro-pop" formations (this term comes from the 80ies, and it's got nothing to do with the "pop"-term nowadays).
but it could be hard for german learning people to fully understand the lyrics
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Old September 17th, 2006, 12:58 AM   #39 (permalink)
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hehe this thread is still alive!
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well, not much to tell all the time....
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what? German metal or this thread?

reminds me of the Reiter-debut: metal will never die...
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Deutsch und Metalmusik dürfen nie zusterben!
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Old September 18th, 2006, 12:42 AM   #44 (permalink)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=german&hl=en

the best german song ever!
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Oh god, you know Dschingis Khan - from that Tankard coverversion?

and what is "zusterben"?
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ja ja ja

i guess you could go with zerstören but it was late and was trying to say sterben... the zu just appeared out of no where...
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and yes that song has something of a following hahah... because it's so hilariously bad
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Know that there was a life after Dschingis Khan?

http://www.legends-of-rock.com/

Leslie Mandoki is the bloke's name. I wonder how he could make it to collaborate with the likes of Ian Anderson or Steve Lukather, considering his crappy music...
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because Moscau was epic!
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...so the Candlemass of German-Hungarian Pop?
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