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May 13th, 2007, 02:21 AM
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In my American Ethnic Writers course, all of the material we've been reading has been geared towards one essential question for the course:
How do race and culture both define and transcend each other?
we've had some pretty fairly interesting conversations (over some fairly decent novels...except for a couple), and it's all really up to the individual. if you want to stay in your cultural pigeonhole, fine. but if you accept the stereotypes, prejudices, and views towards/about your culture, and rise above them (as in you step outside of your culture and figure out things for your own goddamn self and don't follow a path that's been walked by fifty billion people before you), you might just come out a better person.
racism and hierarchy in races and shit is a European construct. Look at African tribes. Before the imperialism and carving up of Africa, the tribes got along fairly well with each other (I think) and co existed. then the europeans waltzed in, found some resources they liked, and put the lighter skinned africans in charge, so the europeans could go back home and not have to worry about anything. You can see where this is going...
racism is another form of ignorance that holds the human race back from progression.
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May 13th, 2007, 03:09 AM
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jeez, I just spent $50 on shots at the bar.
and! bought my mothers day gift (flowers) at 2:00am (DRUNK!)
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May 13th, 2007, 03:13 AM
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Nice shirt! I have the same one 
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May 13th, 2007, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by unknown
In my American Ethnic Writers course, all of the material we've been reading has been geared towards one essential question for the course:
How do race and culture both define and transcend each other?
we've had some pretty fairly interesting conversations (over some fairly decent novels...except for a couple), and it's all really up to the individual. if you want to stay in your cultural pigeonhole, fine. but if you accept the stereotypes, prejudices, and views towards/about your culture, and rise above them (as in you step outside of your culture and figure out things for your own goddamn self and don't follow a path that's been walked by fifty billion people before you), you might just come out a better person.
racism and hierarchy in races and shit is a European construct. Look at African tribes. Before the imperialism and carving up of Africa, the tribes got along fairly well with each other (I think) and co existed. then the europeans waltzed in, found some resources they liked, and put the lighter skinned africans in charge, so the europeans could go back home and not have to worry about anything. You can see where this is going...
racism is another form of ignorance that holds the human race back from progression.
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Great post. Yet another person I should buy a drink for in UM 
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May 13th, 2007, 03:24 AM
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Race is also not a biologically applicable term...god forbid anyone learn about a damn thing called genetics.
The fact is every ethnic group has been at war with each other in history - hell, every fucking tribe and clan has sold each other as slaves to anyone willing to pay the price. The fact of the matter is , will people today continue to be "ignorant as fuck" or believe in the "highly regarded/traditional" scientifically invalid epistemological premises?
If you want to be pissed, be pissed at the devaluation of cultures by other cultures. I know there are many problems with Muslims in other countries because they hold Sharia Law in higher regards to the legal positivism that exists in many countries. That is just one example though...I'm tired, I can't think of any more. Fucking Abraham.
Fuck I'm tired...damn Jews stealing my sleep.
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May 13th, 2007, 04:23 AM
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What hubster seems to forget, is that cultures and races don't always mix easily, and in many cases, it's a hell of a lot more trouble than it's worth. I'm talking mostly of somalians and oakistanis, here, who fight integration with teeth and claws every fucking step of the way.
For me, it is incredibly frustrating, seeing as I have to work with their offspring every day...  The school I work at spend hundreds of thousands of dollars each year, as does every other decent sized school in Norway, on these people, and their special needs, even though those funds could be on so much mroe important things. It's so sad...
My point is, even though a global acceptance of race and culture may seem like a beautiful idea, it is simply not on par with reality in any shape or form. Different people simply does not get along, and that is that.
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May 13th, 2007, 04:39 AM
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Perhaps not where you live my friend, but here it is little to no problem.
Your country is extremely new to multiculturalism. In one or two decades from now, when things have settled, the outlook from the native residents of Norway towards that of the immigrants will be very different. All you guys are experiencing now is a natural resistance towards change, and this will itself will change once things settle.
The line where you sit, which unfortunately many people do in the post 9-11 world, is unease with Muslim immigration because of the American propaganda being spread. We here are also experiencing it to an extent (considering we are most likely the most advanced multicultural society in the world), but the good Muslims are stepping in with being open-minded and resisting the fundamentalists whilst at the same time making some outstanding contributions towards the Australian community.
It is easier for us here in Australia to deal with this as we are more experienced with multiculturalism and race mixing than most countries are, thus we are more adept to deal the problem in a positive and non-hateful way (this is not to say we don't have the occasional teething ourselves [Cronulla riots, but those were spurred on by white radicalists of which the Cronulla area is well known for]).
Cultures and races do not mix easily, that is mildly correct as a generalisation in our twentyfirst century world, but this statement is also effected by the mindset of the family whose members are marrying inter racially. The majority of families I know (and there are plenty) are making amazing breakthroughs with their acceptance. It strengthens families in a very suprising way and improves communication between members as less is taken for granted. Of course however, there are some negative stories as well.
Global acceptance of race and culture is more than a beautiful idea, it is becoming hard reality and one which no one can stop. How well it goes depends on the countries and peoples attitudes towards it, and how rapidly they decide to become accepting of the simple fact that especially in terms of health, it is a far better idea.
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May 13th, 2007, 04:50 AM
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"Mixed Race, Pretty Face?"
Eurasians may possess genetic advantages that lead to greater health and enhanced beauty.
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May 13th, 2007, 05:27 AM
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A Mind Forever Voyaging
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Quote:
"Mixed Race, Pretty Face?"
Eurasians may possess genetic advantages that lead to greater health and enhanced beauty
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Sorry, I don't really find Keanu Reeves that hot
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Originally Posted by Crimson Velvet
What hubster seems to forget, is that cultures and races don't always mix easily, and in many cases, it's a hell of a lot more trouble than it's worth. I'm talking mostly of somalians and oakistanis, here, who fight integration with teeth and claws every fucking step of the way.
For me, it is incredibly frustrating, seeing as I have to work with their offspring every day...  The school I work at spend hundreds of thousands of dollars each year, as does every other decent sized school in Norway, on these people, and their special needs, even though those funds could be on so much mroe important things. It's so sad...
My point is, even though a global acceptance of race and culture may seem like a beautiful idea, it is simply not on par with reality in any shape or form. Different people simply does not get along, and that is that.
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It's a struggle, but that doesn't mean we can't do it. What are our options? We can either give up, and live comfortable tribal lives in solitude, shielded from other races. Or we can bring together our strengths, weaknesses, technologies, energies, passions and conflicts and maybe build something that right now is unforeseeable. That momentum from not getting along with our neighbors is actually what has given us advanced technologies and put men on the moon.
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May 13th, 2007, 06:02 AM
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Can someone PLEASE tell me why Eastern EU contestants in the Eurovision Song Contest insist on dressing like 80's style strippers and sing 80s pr0n music?
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