Ultimate Metal Forum  
UltimateMetal.com homeContact UltimateMetal.com
 
Ultimate Metal Zine Ultimate Metal Photo Gallery Ultimate Metal Classifieds Ultimate Metal Link Directory Ultimate Metal Events Ultimate Metal Radio Ultimate Metal Store

Sponsors

Go Back   Ultimate Metal Forum > The Music > General Metal Discussion > GMD Social Forum


Register FAQ Donate Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old May 21st, 2007, 03:23 PM   #76 (permalink)
Unfaithfully Metalhead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,264
Oh just on a sidenote because I didn't see anyone else mention it or post it but the authorities later dug up her body after it was buried and it was examined.... turns out she was still a virgin and did not "dishonor" her family so she was innocent of what she was accuse of...
__________________
Maria Theresa (Tess) Fajatin
Dec. 24th, 1962-Oct. 17th, 2006
Rest in Peace My Justheart

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found? The same old fears.
Wish you were here.
Unfaithfully Metalhead is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 03:51 PM   #77 (permalink)
Unfaithfully Metalhead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,264
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necuratul View Post
They deserve to die because their mindset is in conformity with that culture that they're engulfed in? No, they should be put in jail. Killing them doesn't solve anything. What is needed is reeducation. That actually solves the problem rather than stops single individuals from doing it again like stoning or hanging or a firing squad does.
I agree somewhat with this statement except you forget they only seem to get about 6 months for "honor killings" and really the punishment should fit the crime.. they should get stoned to death.. as for reeducation... yes i agree with this but it will not happen overnight as it didn't for the christians... for reeducation to work it has to start in the home with the parents... and perhaps in the schools... but I don't see that happening any time soon... it would take decades if not hundreds of years to eradicate this way of thinking (honor killing)... the old and current generation would have to die off and the new generation would have to be reeducated and post generations as well... but like i said such a thing ould take a long long long time... so giving them the death penalty in the meantime would make them think twice instead of 6 months....
__________________
Maria Theresa (Tess) Fajatin
Dec. 24th, 1962-Oct. 17th, 2006
Rest in Peace My Justheart

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found? The same old fears.
Wish you were here.
Unfaithfully Metalhead is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 04:25 PM   #78 (permalink)
Geralt of Rivia
 
Geralt of Rivia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,786
That was sad.
__________________
Geralt of Rivia is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 04:28 PM   #79 (permalink)
ohiogrinder
Banned
 
ohiogrinder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,607
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necuratul View Post
No it's not. Educate yourself.
ok, then show me proof in the last 50 years another religion which still does this.
ohiogrinder is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 05:06 PM   #80 (permalink)
Necuratul
Life Is Worth Losing
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NJ, USA
Posts: 23,721
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unfaithfully Metalhead View Post
Please do not mistaken my opinion or anyone's opinion (including yours) as being a expert. But to quote your story :

"There is no interfaith marriage among Arabs. Catholics here are Christian by faith and Muslim by culture, and in this community it is forbidden for Christians to marry Muslims. It's not good. It's a tribal mentality. I don't accept it, but it is the culture," he said.

They are arabs/muslims by heart... a true modern christian would not condone and much less participate in such a act... if they did they are not really christian and do not believe in the commandment of Thou Shalt not Kill...
They are a Christian family living in a Muslim community. The culture in which they're surrounded influenced their actions. That doesn't make them not Christian. They're true Christians just as any other Christian who's murdered somebody. Don't try to spin the story into something that it's not. A Christian family stoned one of their own to death. "Muslim by culture" means not that they're Muslims, but that they have adapted to the Muslim (or more accurately extremist Arab) culture in which honor killing is acceptable. Your argument was that a Christian would not do this, but they do. This was merely the first entry in a google search, so I'm sure there's plenty more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unfaithfully Metalhead View Post
I agree somewhat with this statement except you forget they only seem to get about 6 months for "honor killings" and really the punishment should fit the crime.. they should get stoned to death..
First of all, that post wasn't even addressing honor killings, and secondly, we don't live under the rule of Hammurabi. Eye for an eye is antiquated and obsolete barbarism and is unacceptable in a reasoned, civil society.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ohiogrinder View Post
ok, then show me proof in the last 50 years another religion which still does this.
It's not a religion you stupid fuck, it's a culture. Disgracing one's family isn't about the religion.
__________________
"I don't have any beliefs or allegiances. I don't believe in this country, I don't believe in religion, or a god, and I don't believe in all these man-made institutional ideas." - George Carlin

Quote:
Originally Posted by viewer_from_nihil View Post
why is it that every thing i love have to be ruined?

chris barnes sucks now, new COB... blah, chuck shuldiner died, Dead killed himself, and now... Gaahl is gay? damn
Necuratul is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 05:08 PM   #81 (permalink)
Geralt of Rivia
 
Geralt of Rivia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,786
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necuratul View Post
argument was that a Christian would not do this, but they do.
__________________
Geralt of Rivia is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 05:11 PM   #82 (permalink)
Necuratul
Life Is Worth Losing
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NJ, USA
Posts: 23,721
Please don't tell me you're getting hung up on grammar.
__________________
"I don't have any beliefs or allegiances. I don't believe in this country, I don't believe in religion, or a god, and I don't believe in all these man-made institutional ideas." - George Carlin

Quote:
Originally Posted by viewer_from_nihil View Post
why is it that every thing i love have to be ruined?

chris barnes sucks now, new COB... blah, chuck shuldiner died, Dead killed himself, and now... Gaahl is gay? damn
Necuratul is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 05:15 PM   #83 (permalink)
Geralt of Rivia
 
Geralt of Rivia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,786
oki doki smoki

edit: anyway, i was pointing out the fact that you generalised that statement to cover more than just a few incidents..

edit2: its grammatically correct, sir administrator sir.
__________________

Last edited by Geralt of Rivia : May 21st, 2007 at 05:18 PM.
Geralt of Rivia is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 05:38 PM   #84 (permalink)
Hell Awaits Us All
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Killing You
Posts: 8,154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necuratul View Post
Eye for an eye is antiquated and obsolete barbarism and is unacceptable in a reasoned, civil society.
the punishment should still fit the crime

for "honor killings" the violators should be sentenced for life in prison without parole, but then again when you live in a barbaric and despicable culture like this, people can kill innocent people and only go to jail for 6 months
Hell Awaits Us All is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Old May 21st, 2007, 05:41 PM   #85 (permalink)
ThisIsACoolName
Senior Member
 
ThisIsACoolName's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pennsylvania.
Posts: 4,908
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryptal View Post
edit: anyway, i was pointing out the fact that you generalised that statement to cover more than just a few incidents..
BE SMART, DAMN YOU!
ThisIsACoolName is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!