This is absolutely disgusting. These people deserve to

[Necuratul]

Originally Posted by Faith No More

That is the arguement. THEY HAVE TAKEN A LIFE, SO THEIRS MUST BE FORFIT. End.

Well then this is your problem if this is what constitutes an "argument" in your mind. What this is is a gut impulse. Don't let your brain fool you into thinking that this is an argument. What this is, at best, is a conclusion. But you have to reach that conclusion through preceding premises that lead to said conclusion. A man kills and therefore deserves to be killed does not constitute a proper argument.

[Jean-Pierre]

Originally Posted by Faith No More

Spot on



That is the arguement. THEY HAVE TAKEN A LIFE, SO THEIRS MUST BE FORFIT. End.

Let's logically work it out your argument, friend:

X took a life
Any situation in which one takes a life should result in the forfeiture of life
_________________
Therefore, X must forfeit life

Kind of a dangerous argument there, no? Like, say if you had to kill somebody in self-defense and you weren't allowed to present your case?

[Faith No More]

Sorry what? Im not involved with this anymore.

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Originally Posted by Necuratul

Really? Bullshit. If these people valued their own lives so much they wouldn't regularly engage in suicide bombings. It's quite a rash assumption to make to think that a culture surrounded by so much violent death as there would actually give a damn about capital punishment and think twice about doing something.



The only problem you're forgetting is that honor killing is not the only crime in the middle east, and there's rampant possibility to be had all around for innocent people being executed for those other crimes.




Why do you bother condemning the culture at all if you only mean to make it worse by adding more killing? The middle east doesn't need your kind of help. They need stabilization, not more stringent penalties on criminal activity. And the rationality of "my theory is not backwards because I've decided that things will never change" is completely fatalist and worthless.



DING DING DING, this was my fucking point. Thank you very much.



Actually it's not, for many reasons. I was demonstrating how honor killings are practiced in the modern Western setting, and I was also making a point against something else that I disagree with. It wasn't really meant to be a point of focus in the argument to begin with though.



Well if you looked at the context of the statement, I think it's decently clear that it was not necessarily a specific statement about this specific indident.



Bullshit.



Ad of course it has nothing to do with cultural, political, and economic repression that prevents people from actively speaking out against it. Just because you don't see many protests against the practice does not mean that most people there do not condemn the practice. And by "society" you mean "the elite who dictate their own principles on society." Don't mistake the reality for the potentiality. If the people had their way, most likely honor killing WOULD be condemned. It's obviously condemned somewhat, or else they wouldn't bother arresting people for the murders at all.



No, but I'm passionate on issues that involve unnecessary killing and general ignorance on the subject.



I don't know why you (and others) have continued to imply that I'm fine with the pathetic sentences these murderers have received for these honor killings. 6 months in jail for murdering your daughter is bullshit. They should be put in jail until they prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they would not do that again in the same situation. Which in practice will generally mean for life. It's a cultural mindset that is not easily distinguished, so these people will be locked away for the rest of their lives. Which would be a greater deterrent than the death penalty because an execution can be viewed as an honorable death or a martyrdom, which is what these people want. Dying of old age in a jail cell is shameful. I doubt that many Arabs would opt for that death.



It's not all that terribly hard to predict your feelings in a rational state regarding a situation. Of course there will be gut instincts, as displayed by the majority here in this thread, wishing harm upon the killer, that is a natural human impulse. But reason should override gut instinct. In a rational state, I would not wish death upon any man, regardless of what he has done, unless his life poses an imminent threat upon others. If anything, I think one should be able to choose between life imprisonment and the death penalty. I suppose I can't argue against somebody that WANTS to die.

I'll reply to your post tomorrow... was out all day and took a nap when i got home.. when i woke up had problems connecting to the internet for hours.. now it's late and have to wake up early tomorrow morning... so take a breather...

[RyuSlash]

Originally Posted by Hell Awaits Us All

the problem is that sort of activity is entirely unaccepted in mainstream christianity

That sort of activity is not at all uncommon, nor is it condemned by mainstream muslims. These countries really still do function like it's the 13th century.

Exactly, in some ways they do
They were not ready for us, they were not ready for us to force our ways, beliefs and ideas on them. If we had let them progress on their own they would eventually have been better off...

But humans being what they are, we can't hope for this to happen or ever have happened, since even if we had left them alone, they would have tried to get our land at some point or another...

[metal_wrath]

Originally Posted by Hell Awaits Us All

this is the great religion of "peace"

fucking bullshit

"islam" needs to be wiped off the face of the earth

Originally Posted by Krigloch the Furious

It makes me happy to hear you say that Dave. It really does.

This:

In this case, Dua Khalil, a 17-year-old Kurdish girl whose religion is Yazidi,


The Yazidis, who observe an ancient Middle Eastern religion, look down on mixing with people of another faith.

These are not Muslims

[necromancy]

Originally Posted by Mort Divine

I'm one for the acceptance of culture and the quirks that go along with it, but this is just disgusting.

http://www.whitelinefirm.nl/node/116718

The people were arrested it seems, but this was absolutely disgusting and they deserve to be killed for their actions.

Islam cannot be this... Maniacs... I live in a Muslim country but I don't believe in any religion at all.. But still, those fucking bastards ara staining Islam's name.. Yes I don't believe in Islam.. But... Argghh.. These people are not even human beings... so we shouldn't impute the fault to one religion.. They are bastards.. And they even don't know what is Islam or what they are doing... Bla bla bla...

[necromancy]

Originally Posted by Jean-Pierre

Let's logically work it out your argument, friend:

X took a life
Any situation in which one takes a life should result in the forfeiture of life
_________________
Therefore, X must forfeit life

Kind of a dangerous argument there, no? Like, say if you had to kill somebody in self-defense and you weren't allowed to present your case?

That was what I thought... So this will not end...

[necromancy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ankara_bombing

About 10 people killed in my Country, 20 minutes from my home... A suicide bomb... One of the girls who killed was working in a shop where the bomb exploded.. She was trying to look after her family by working there.. The other guy was selling simit (savory roll covered with sesame seed) to earn his life.. The others were at the bus stop, trying to reach at their homes etc. One guy was there in order to buy his wedding clothes.. People were innocent.. While they were leaving their houses that very day, they thought, it will be an ordinary day.. But now, they are dead.. Their families, fiances, friends are in a deep agony.. It is too bad.. It is too bad...