NFL 2012 - Page 2

crimsonfloyd · March 9th, 2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by muzmaze

The Colts sucked last season because without Peyton (boohoo) they decided to purposely tank it like a bunch of cowards. Now next year with a healthy Peyton and keeping a few other key guys intact they could easily go 10-6 in a weak division. Then you can take your chances in the playoffs. Instead they decide to completely clean house and start over...in wich yes they will suck again next year and maybe for a few years after. BTW this completely null and voids the comparison of the Colts Org to the Pats Org wich for a while was parallel. Say what you will haters but atleast the Pats still continue to draft, develope, build etc a championship contender every year!

We'll see how the Pats do when Brady hits his twilight. The quarterback is the foundation.

King Richard · March 9th, 2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Overwatch

Offensive line. Running Attack. Defense.

You were saying?

I don't know man, Denver's defense was shit for a really long time last season and then caught fire towards the end, only to be absolutely ass raped by Brady. That and their receivers are really inexperienced and borderline mediocre. Miami and Arizona are much better teams in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by muzmaze

The Colts sucked last season because without Peyton (boohoo) they decided to purposely tank it like a bunch of cowards. Now next year with a healthy Peyton and keeping a few other key guys intact they could easily go 10-6 in a weak division. Then you can take your chances in the playoffs. Instead they decide to completely clean house and start over...in wich yes they will suck again next year and maybe for a few years after. BTW this completely null and voids the comparison of the Colts Org to the Pats Org wich for a while was parallel. Say what you will haters but atleast the Pats still continue to draft, develope, build etc a championship contender every year!

crimsonfloyd · March 9th, 2012, 11:59 PM

Redskins trade #6, #39, 2013 1st, 2014 1st and possible more to the Rams for the #2 pick- aka Robert Griffin. If Griffin turns out to be anything short of a top 7-10 QB, this trade will qualify as a disaster. He definitely is talented, but it will be hard to build around him without any 1st rounders- and its not like the Skins have a young team or specifically a young offense.

Manning visits with the Broncos. Tebow fans are butthurt.

Jets give Sanchez a three year extension. I guess its their way of saying "sorry for flirting with Manning."

crimsonfloyd · March 10th, 2012, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by King Richard

I don't know man, Denver's defense was shit for a really long time last season and then caught fire towards the end, only to be absolutely ass raped by Brady. That and their receivers are really inexperienced and borderline mediocre. Miami and Arizona are much better teams in my opinion.

According to PFT the Broncos have 40 mil. in cap space. They could conceivably pick up Manning, Jackson and Wayne. A lot of players will be willing go to whichever team Peyton is on.

Overwatch · March 10th, 2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by crimsonfloyd

Redskins trade #6, #39, 2013 1st, 2014 1st and possible more to the Rams for the #2 pick- aka Robert Griffin. If Griffin turns out to be anything short of a top 7-10 QB, this trade will qualify as a disaster. He definitely is talented, but it will be hard to build around him without any 1st rounders- and its not like the Skins have a young team or specifically a young offense.

Manning visits with the Broncos. Tebow fans are butthurt.

Jets give Sanchez a three year extension. I guess its their way of saying "sorry for flirting with Manning."

MUHAHA. As a Cowboys fan, the Redskins trade seems too good to be true lol. Did they not learn the lesson about trading away first rounders/large groups of DPs from Jerreh Jones or Ditka?

muzmaze · March 10th, 2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crimsonfloyd

We'll see how the Pats do when Brady hits his twilight. The quarterback is the foundation.

This is not about when QB's hit thier twilight. Last I checked prior to Mannings injury...he and his team was still viable. Its about one team purposely tanking it not being prepared with a proper backup etc. In a similar situation the Pats lost Brady for a season and still went for it (10-6) I believe. They didn't quit like a bunch of losers as did the Colts. No shit the QB is the foundation and we know how great and important Brady is...but it's still and always will be the ultimate team game. Atleast still try and overcome...don't lay down, thats all.

Dodens Grav · March 10th, 2012, 05:28 PM

Nobody cares about your bullshit speculation about the Colts laying down, which, if anybody watched their games (and I highly doubt that you did), it would be obvious that they did not. The problem last year is that they had a LOT of injuries, and they overestimated Curtis Painter. They were forced to bring in quarterbacks that were unfamiliar with the system in place, which was not the case with Matt Cassel. You are the most myopic football commentator on this forum, and it's getting old already.

crimsonfloyd · March 10th, 2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by muzmaze

This is not about when QB's hit thier twilight. Last I checked prior to mannings injury...he and his team was still viable. Its about one team purposely tanking it not being prepared with a proper backup etc. In a similar situation the Pats lost Brady for a season and still went for it...they didn't quit like a bunch of losers as did the Colts. No shit the QB is the foundation and we know how great and important Brady is...but it's still and always will be a team game. Atleast still try and overcome...don't lay down, thats all.

I don't think the players on the Colts tried to "lay down". Yeah they good whooped a number of times in 2011, but they also lost 6 games by 8 points or less, which shows that the players didn't quit. They were out there trying to win games- they just weren't good enough. I think its hard for teams like the Colts to get a legit backup, because Manning never misses a game or even many snaps in practice. If it was between Indy and another city where say, there's a quarterback in hot water, which would you sign with?

Pats did a better job in finding a backup quaterback in Cassell, I will grant you that. However, that is a matter of execution, not effort. I really doubt the Colts just didn't give a fuck about the backup quarterback. More realistically, its hard to find good backups. If Brady goes down in 2012, there is no promise that Hoyer or Mallett can replicate the success that Cassell had.

As far as the Colts cutting all these players, it's the responsible thing to do. Even if they kept Manning they would have had to cut a lot of these players because they are over the cap. Now with Luck in the fold, they can suck for a year or two, try and pick up a blue chip LT and/or WR in the draft and start anew.

muzmaze · March 11th, 2012, 06:52 PM

You guys are a bunch of frauds...though you do make good points Crimson

. Jesus, call it like it is. They did "lay down" because of the QB that is available in the draft...dah? If the Pats, Steelers, Giants etc ever folded like that..they would get slammed! Yes Dods Grav I did see a number of Colts games and yes they layed down like dogs! Witnessed Freeney and Mathis both who have killed the Pats in recent times..they quit this year when they faced the Pats. All I said is the truth...the way they were unprepared and the way they are going about football ops now is a joke...even KD slammed the Colts. If you don't see that then that is your problem not mine.

The funny thing is as much as I hate Manning and the Colts...I've thrown out respect to the player and the org many times in the past. All the while I've slammed my own QB and team when called for. Done both of said things like nobody else does here in this forum...so layoff!

Dodens Grav · March 12th, 2012, 04:16 PM

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The NFL is taking away millions of dollars of salary-cap space belonging to the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins for front-loading contracts during the uncapped 2010 season, according to league sources.

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The salary cap is projected to be $120.6 million in 2012, but the Cowboys will lose $10 million, while the Redskins will be docked $36 million in cap space, sources said.

Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to the other 28 NFL teams, the sources said.

The New Orleans Saints and Oakland Raiders are the only two teams that will not receive a portion of the money.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...ions-cap-space

$1.6M more for the Steelers to work with? That's pretty much just what they need.

Overwatch · March 12th, 2012, 04:41 PM

Ha, waiting to hear what the Jones' (Jerry & Stephen) have to say now about cap space, since they initially said they expected to have plenty of room to work with.

Going to guess this means no shot at signing G Nicks.

Dodens Grav · March 12th, 2012, 04:52 PM

Yeah, from what I understand, they were just at the salary cap mark at this point. Now they'll likely be around $5M over it depending on how they decide to split it. The Redskins supposedly have a crapload of cap space though. I read that they would still have nearly $20M in cap space this season if they take half that hit ($18M) this year.

Overwatch · March 12th, 2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodens Grav

Yeah, from what I understand, they were just at the salary cap mark at this point. Now they'll likely be around $5M over it depending on how they decide to split it. The Redskins supposedly have a crapload of cap space though. I read that they would still have nearly $20M in cap space this season if they take half that hit ($18M) this year.

I think this ruling is bullshittingly (is that a word?) backhanded, but complaining about it is pointless. Bottom line is the Jones' have no business GMing.

Overwatch · March 12th, 2012, 07:29 PM

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/ne...660CF8456CF575

Team is saying it won't make a difference. No way to tell now.

Dodens Grav · March 12th, 2012, 08:22 PM

Well, they certainly can make up the money. The Steelers made $25M in cap room by restructuring 5 contracts alone. But keep in mind that they have to make moves before they can sign anybody, because they must be cap-compliant by 4PM tomorrow when free agency starts.

Overwatch · March 12th, 2012, 08:59 PM

The scuttlebutt on ESPN is Dallas/Washington are going to fight the ruling/ignore it. Draaaaammaaaa.

Anyway yeah, the front office has made no secret about restructuring the contracts of several key players, and will be saving some cap space by releasing washed up/expensive veterans like Terrance Newman. They may have to work out a long term deal now though with Spencer to remove that expensive franchise tag and clear up some more space this year, assuming the ruling sticks.

crimsonfloyd · March 13th, 2012, 12:00 AM

Just a few days after the Redskins trade all their picks they totally fucked with their free agency plans. I think they can still sign one big name free agent, but considering how many holes are on that roster, they really need more than that.

A lot less damaging for Dallas, but probably a big enough hit to take them out of the Nicks hunt, though I don't think they were the favorites anyway.

Krigloch the Furious · March 13th, 2012, 12:28 AM

wierd that the 49'ers grabbed Moss.
I trust Harbaugh though. I guess Harbaugh himself picked Moss up from the airport and was throwing him balls for the workout. So that's pretty damn cool.

Overwatch · March 13th, 2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crimsonfloyd

Just a few days after the Redskins trade all their picks they totally fucked with their free agency plans. I think they can still sign one big name free agent, but considering how many holes are on that roster, they really need more than that.

A lot less damaging for Dallas, but probably a big enough hit to take them out of the Nicks hunt, though I don't think they were the favorites anyway.

Interestingly enough, theres a theory the Redskins rushed the trade through because of the penalty. Can't remember where I read it.

With all the other holes Dallas has to fill, 5mil off the cap makes it hard to sign a guy who wants in the 8.5mil range (Nicks).

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...-cowboys-plans

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IRVING, Texas -- The NFL’s decision to dock the Cowboys $10 million in salary-cap space, as ESPN’s Adam Schefter has reported, wounds the team’s ability to improve in free agency but does not kill it.

The Cowboys can spread that hit over the next two years if they choose but they were already planning on re-working a number of contracts to create enough salary-cap space anyway.

The Cowboys have triggers in the contracts of cornerback Orlando Scandrick and tackle Doug Free that would save them roughly $8.6 million in cap space. Re-working the contracts of DeMarcus Ware and Dez Bryant could net about another $4 million in space.

The Cowboys can create as much as $7.26 million in room on Tuesday by cutting cornerback Terence Newman (designated as a post-June 1 cut) and kicker David Buehler, who is scheduled to count more than $1.6 million against the 2012 cap and lost his job to Dan Bailey last year.

On Sunday the league announced the 2012 cap would be $120.6 million.

The Cowboys were carrying a credit of around $17.1 million over from 2011, which would have in effect made their cap $138.2 million in 2012. If the Cowboys chose to take a $5 million hit in each of the next two years because of the sanctions, then they would have a cap of roughly $133.2 million this year.

With the $8.856 million franchise tag on linebacker Anthony Spencer, the Cowboys would be just below that threshold and that would not including the tenders offers they would put on restricted free agent fullback Tony Fiammetta and exclusive rights free agents Jesse Holley, Clifton Geathers and Jermey Parnell.

Make the aforementioned contract and roster moves, and the Cowboys would have about $15 million to $17 million in cap room, which is plenty to sign a starting cornerback, guard, backup quarterback and Laurent Robinson depending on the structures of the deals.

Dodens Grav · March 13th, 2012, 02:59 PM

Bears acquire Brandon Marshall from the Dolphins for 2 3rd round picks, reuniting Marshall with Jay Cutler.

Cowboys cut Terrence Newman.

Giants re-sign CB Terrell Thomas, who missed all of last season with a torn ACL, in favor of Aaron Ross, who is now officially a free agent.

The Saints earlier re-signed Marques Colston to a 5 year, $40M deal as well.

Overwatch · March 13th, 2012, 03:10 PM

Cowboys also cut Buehler, and restructured the contracts of Orlando Scandrick and Doug Free. Total cap savings somewhere in the range of $16m.

Jimmy... Dead. · March 13th, 2012, 03:28 PM

The Free Agent Hot 100

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...agent-hot-100/

Overwatch · March 13th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Cowboys looking at Brandon Carr, Kyle Orton. Laurent Robinson visiting Jaguars

Dodens Grav · March 13th, 2012, 04:08 PM

Pierre Garcon signs with the Redskins.

Vincent Jackson (reportedly) to Tampa Bay.

rms · March 13th, 2012, 05:52 PM

so do the chargers just give up on their organization yearly?