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Old May 15th, 2005, 02:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Crimson Moonlight - At Their Most Brutal

By Jason Jordan

From what people tell me, Christians and black metal simply don’t belong together. But try telling that to Norwegians Crimson Moonlight, who’ve been peddling their brand of the subgenre for the last eight years. The year 2005 saw the release of their second full-length, and I’ll be very surprised if Veil of Remembrance doesn’t make an appearance in my top ten list. I sat down, metaphorically speaking, with the quartet’s frontman Pilgrim (vocals) and quizzed him on various subjects.

Before I get started with anything directly related to the band, I want to begin by discussing the subgenre of black metal as a whole. There’s an opinion out there that says that Christians can’t play black metal. In other words, due to philosophical differences, Christian black metal is an oxymoronic term. Can you tell us why you don’t believe this is the case? And, why have you chosen black metal as your musical outlet?

We believe that all kinds of music are now neutral. I mean, a music genre cannot be “evil” itself. It all depends on the purpose: why you’re doing it and what the lyrics are about. I will use an illustration to explain: a knife in the hands of a murderer can kill life, but a knife in the hands of a doctor can save life. Now is the knife evil itself? No, it depends on how you use it. The power is in our hands to decide what we want to use music for. I know that many black metal fans react badly when we use the words “black metal” to describe our music, and we are sorry if we make people upset for that. But for us, BM is a musical genre. Listen to Veil of Remembrance and tell me what kind of music it is. I know that all BM from the beginning was all satanic and occult metal bands. But today even the secular scene says something else, because there are a lot of bands with satanic and occult lyrics (Deicide, Morbid Angel, God Among Insects) who are not called “black metal” and why is that? BM has grown and changed. We also believe that God created all tones and forms of harmonies and even styles of music. Humankind can use these gifts in different ways and styles.



I want to talk a little bit about the line-up changes. Why do you think there have been so many over the years? Also, if I’m not mistaken, there have even been some subtractions (and additions) since Veil of Remembrance was released…

Hehe, yes there have been a lot of line-up changes during the past and as you said even nowadays. I guess our music is so brutal that only me and Gustav (the only 2 original members) could stand it for a very long time. No, actually I don’t have a very good answer to that question, but I think there are a lot of different answers. Some [former members] had to focus on studies, some had jobs far away, some didn’t enjoy the music anymore and some became parents, etc. And after the recordings of VoR, Erik left the band because he had finished his studies in a town nearby and then had to move back to his hometown (quite far from us) for work. Hubertus decided to leave the band for other musical projects and also for studies. But he is still playing live with us until we find someone else. Jani Stefanovic (ex-Am I Blood, ex-Sins of Omission now found in DivineFire, Renacent) joined us just a month before the recording of Veil of Remembrance. He was supposed to take over Hubertus’s place. But after a month or two, one of his other bands, DivineFire got a huge record deal in Japan and things were also getting better with Renacent, so then he realized that he didn’t have so much time for CM. So we still need a new guitarist for the band.

This is our present line-up:
Gustav – Drums
Pilgrim – Vocals
Johan – Bass
Per – Guitar.



On every Crimson Moonlight release, I think influences such as Extol and Dimmu Borgir are easy to hear. Care to explain what roles the aforementioned bands have played in shaping your music? What do you think of their latest works and success?

We try our best to not copy the sound of any other bands and create our own personal brutality. Nowadays I guess bands like Immortal, Satyricon, Death, Believer, Malevolent Creation, Emperor and Opeth have influenced us in some parts. I am inspired by Horde. And to compare us with other bands, I would like describe our sound like a mixture of Emperor, Dark Funeral, Immortal and a keyboard-free Dimmu Borgir. In my personal opinion we don’t have much influence from Extol, but in our earlier material there is a lot of Antestor and Dissection influences.

The Covenant Progress was a triumphant return to the scene for you, and perhaps the reworked version of “Eternal Emperor” (from Eternal Emperor EP) was the standout track on the record. How did you come about deciding to re-record that song, and will we ever see song revisions in the future?

That song is a classic, both fans and us enjoy it, so we decided to do a better, more “up to date” version of it. Even though nowadays we play it a lot faster than the “fast” version on The Covenant Progress. We have some plans to re-record some older material but just in a low-budget version… We will see about those things.

Now, Veil of Remembrance seems like people who like both black metal and death metal alike crafted it. Why do you think death metal shows up so much on your new album? Did the band also make a decision to eradicate keyboards this time around?

Well, we decided to skip the keyboard on the new release, since we realized that the sound could turn into a heavier and rawer direction without the keys. And since a lot of us are into extreme death metal, bands like Nile, Malevolent Creation, Living Sacrifice, Suffocation and Rotten Sound and also thrash metal bands like Death, Believer and At the Gates, it had some effects on our new sound.



So, have you all been approached by bigger labels? I ask that because I’m curious as to what holds the band back from lengthy touring. Whom would you like to tour with? Think you’ll ever make it to the U.S.?

We have some plans to tour outside Europe, but we still need more contact with people who arrange shows before it can be reality. For the moment I can say no more about labels than there is discussion going on…

Similarly, what do you think of a band like Old Man’s Child who refused to play a show with Extol due to the fact that they are Christians?

I think such things are very sad and I would say that it has to be because of fear. OMC probably knew about the fact that Extol is a better live band than they are.



Any final words for the readers at UltimateMetal?

Thank you for taking the time to read this interview, and thank you all for your support during the years! Please keep Crimson Moonlight in your prayers. Stay firm. Stay brutal. The Scandinavian holocaust has begun: Veil of Remembrance. See you on tour, and until then check out our website for CD’s and merchandise. May the Lord keep you and bless you.

UltimateMetal’s Review of Crimson Moonlight – Veil of Remembrance
Official Crimson Moonlight Website
Official Rivel Records Website

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Old May 15th, 2005, 04:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Awesome! I never knew about this band. The answer to that first interview question is pure genius.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 09:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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very intelligently answered questions. good band too.
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Old May 17th, 2005, 11:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'll definately check out this band....
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Old May 17th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I love CM. I'm glad new people will listen to them!
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Old May 17th, 2005, 09:26 PM   #6 (permalink)
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ROCK ON! Finally a good BM band that keeps in the faith!
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Old May 26th, 2005, 09:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Ridiculous. Although the first answer is clever... He forgets the basis of blackmetal, which is definitly not Christianity.
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Old May 26th, 2005, 05:02 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Ridiculous. Although the first answer is clever... He forgets the basis of blackmetal, which is definitly not Christianity.
Although i´m not a Black Metal huge fan, i have to agree... despite the clever answers, Black Metal loses something when you strip it of its trademark evil, the same way Blues is not true blues when played by white folk. It may sound the same, but the feel is just not there, and feeling is a huge factor in music.

No offense, but i think that a Christian Black Metal band are halfassed Christians and halfassed Metalheads

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Old May 26th, 2005, 11:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
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haha....blues...you have heard of Eric Clapton, right? Don't be ridiculous. Look, some people believe you have to have evil lyrics to be a black metal band. In that case, Crimson Moonlight is a thrash metal band and they make great music. Some people believe that black metal is a style, and if that's the case then Crimson Moonlight is a black metal band and they make great music. That's about the best I can explain it, and yes, the feel is there in Crimson Moonlight's music, if you have listened to it. If you knew more about Christianity you would know that sorrow and anger have a place within its domain, and therefore so does metal, IMO.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:46 AM   #10 (permalink)
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This is fucking rediculous! This clown thinks old mans child wont play with a christian band because the christian band can play better than them? Who the fuck are you kidding?
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Old May 27th, 2005, 08:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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This is fucking rediculous! This clown thinks old mans child wont play with a christian band because the christian band can play better than them? Who the fuck are you kidding?
Ever seen Extol live? One of the best acts out there. Just because Extol is a Christian band does not mean that they are worse than Old Man's Child, that's kind of a ridiculous assumption.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 03:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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haha....blues...you have heard of Eric Clapton, right? Don't be ridiculous. Look, some people believe you have to have evil lyrics to be a black metal band. In that case, Crimson Moonlight is a thrash metal band and they make great music. Some people believe that black metal is a style, and if that's the case then Crimson Moonlight is a black metal band and they make great music. That's about the best I can explain it, and yes, the feel is there in Crimson Moonlight's music, if you have listened to it. If you knew more about Christianity you would know that sorrow and anger have a place within its domain, and therefore so does metal, IMO.
I cannot fight your faith, man. When you get faith involved into ANYTHING, it will be the best, no matter what others say. YES, I´m a fan of Eric Clapton, and The Rolling Stones, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd and above all, Stevie Ray Vaughan... and NO, i don´t think their Blues is half as good as that of Howling Wolf, Lightnin´Hopkins or even the too-pop-for-blues B.B. King.
Christian Metal is, IMHO a cheap trick to lure disoriented kids into religion. Religion and music should be apart, in order to remain pure. I kinda feel the same about Orphaned Land´s muslim lyrics, except that they don´t go in campaigns to promote thir faith. However, i repeat, this is my humble opinnion and you are welcome to heed it or not... i´m not going to make a campaign on it either, with signs and a lot of speakers trying to dissuade those who go listen to christian bands from going to their gigs. I´m not trying to sell anything.

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Old May 27th, 2005, 06:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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No offense, but i think that a Christian Black Metal band are halfassed Christians and halfassed Metalheads
Have you heard Veil of Remembrance, though?
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Have you heard Veil of Remembrance, though?
Not really, but if you recommend that band as a good example of a Christian band that does not feel compelled to make proselytism about their faith, it´d be worth the look. Any song in particular (that does not talk about how everybody in the world is wrong except christians) that you recommend?
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Not really, but if you recommend that band as a good example of a Christian band that does not feel compelled to make proselytism about their faith, it´d be worth the look. Any song in particular (that does not talk about how everybody in the world is wrong except christians) that you recommend?
"Intimations of Everlasting Constancy." First track.
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Old May 29th, 2005, 05:37 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Boohoo

Black metal isn't what it used to be in the early 90s and you guys can't even get over it. Stop wearing pink and purple clothes and get your head out of your ass.
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Old June 1st, 2005, 08:38 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Christian Black Metal is an oxymoron. With an emphasis on the "moron".
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Old June 1st, 2005, 08:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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You're so clever, with an emphasis on the "lever".

Get it?
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I cannot fight your faith, man. When you get faith involved into ANYTHING, it will be the best, no matter what others say. YES, I´m a fan of Eric Clapton, and The Rolling Stones, and Kenny Wayne Shepherd and above all, Stevie Ray Vaughan... and NO, i don´t think their Blues is half as good as that of Howling Wolf, Lightnin´Hopkins or even the too-pop-for-blues B.B. King.
Christian Metal is, IMHO a cheap trick to lure disoriented kids into religion. Religion and music should be apart, in order to remain pure. I kinda feel the same about Orphaned Land´s muslim lyrics, except that they don´t go in campaigns to promote thir faith. However, i repeat, this is my humble opinnion and you are welcome to heed it or not... i´m not going to make a campaign on it either, with signs and a lot of speakers trying to dissuade those who go listen to christian bands from going to their gigs. I´m not trying to sell anything.
Satanism and atheism are just as much religions as christianity. It's impossible to seperate basic belief systems from music unless you have NO lyrics at all (or you sing about something totally out of the human realm, like space or something)
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Old June 19th, 2005, 11:24 AM   #20 (permalink)
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you guys make me sad bm is not ment for christians don't you get the whole idea from bm?? BM is invented bij antichristians and bm stands for antichristianity, and antihuman, you guys are pathetic really..why don't you kill yourself and go to your stupid little 'heaven' hahahahaha
 
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Nice discussion guys...er.
Its amazing how prejudice is ok if its aimed at Christians, but not if its aimed at ethnic minorities or disabled people.
Christians, Satanists and tree-fetichists alike have the human right to listen to their chosen music, play their chosen music, and not be ridiculed by ignorant bigots.

Just because you label me "Christian" (and by that I mean the stereotypes and prejudices that many so-called black-metallers seem to have), does that mean that justifies your own narrow view of the world?
Lighten up, yourmother: God loves us all, you included. Music is meant for us all to enjoy. Have a beer and a laugh and lets forget our differences.

Bless you all
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Old June 19th, 2005, 04:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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you guys make me sad bm is not ment for christians don't you get the whole idea from bm?? BM is invented bij antichristians and bm stands for antichristianity, and antihuman, you guys are pathetic really..why don't you kill yourself and go to your stupid little 'heaven' hahahahaha
Haha that was lame... you sound like a 5 years old
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Old June 19th, 2005, 09:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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you guys make me sad bm is not ment for christians don't you get the whole idea from bm?? BM is invented bij antichristians and bm stands for antichristianity, and antihuman, you guys are pathetic really..why don't you kill yourself and go to your stupid little 'heaven' hahahahaha
Actually, contrary to popular belief, BM originally stood against adequate capitalization and punctuation. But, seriously, I find that by limiting myself to groups that have adopted certain paradigms, or avoiding ones that aren't necessarily in line with my own views, makes me miss out on a lot of good music. To each his own, I suppose. However, I'm just as apt to listen to Crimson Moonlight as I am to listen to the band in your Now Playing.
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Satanism and atheism are just as much religions as christianity. It's impossible to seperate basic belief systems from music unless you have NO lyrics at all (or you sing about something totally out of the human realm, like space or something)
just about to post that, but then i read yours. good job. they are not so much religions as they are worldviews, or basic categories for how humans view life.

pilgrim studies theology in seminary (not a halfassed christian)and he is good at what he does vocally (not a halfassed metalhead). not saying that seminary is the catchall, but it shows his dedication by going for something that is relatively hard to gain anything from monetarily. plus, if you had spent time with him, you would see he is very very dedicated to his faith and his pursuit of metal. it almost seems over the top compared to most metalheads.

i think his extol/omc child was tongue in cheek. if you get mad over that, joke's on you.
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