Old Katatonia or New Katatonia?

atreides481 · May 4th, 2004, 03:01 AM

Hey, i'm a pretty big n00b with the whole UM Forums, but just wanting to know what people preffered, old Katatonia or new Katatonia. New Katatonia (Viva Emptiness) is what got me into Katatonia but then became very facinated with the old Katatonia and vocal progression of Jonas Renkse from then to now....anyways whats the longer listeners of Katatonia prefer?

pistol_pete · May 4th, 2004, 05:08 AM

well im only listening since last fair deal, but my preference is the new stuff, my favourite album being Discouraged Ones, dont think any band will ever top that (style).

Varg- · May 4th, 2004, 06:11 AM

BOTH! I like every album with them just as much, almost..
I can't choose...

zeroMaximum · May 4th, 2004, 06:23 AM

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW new new new new new. and then some old.

norghash · May 4th, 2004, 10:09 AM

their first three releases are the best music ever created!

AngelinaBlakkheim · May 4th, 2004, 10:20 AM

Both, but I prefer old a little bit.
DoDS and BMD

thebleakhorizon · May 4th, 2004, 10:31 AM

It's not productive, in my estimation, to put one's self in a position to consider this kind of thing. Of course, I realize a certain level of playfulness with it...however, the action seems ultimately fruitless. Although each Katatonia effort carries with it a unique personality, there certainly remains a constant atmospheric current running through the entire discography. Though the members have matured and developed naturally as musicians and songwriters, and the production has been increasingly enhanced, the soul of the music and its electric ocean of penetration has never been sacrificed. Old...new...it matters not in the grand scheme of musical/emotional fulfillment. What does matter is that it is ever felt at all.

N.P. : Tiamat - "Visionaire"

Demonspell · May 4th, 2004, 08:28 PM

I agree with Bleakhorizon, this question is a meaningless exercise, and the essence of Katatonia's music has remained largely unchanged despite the aesthetic differences.

Deliverance6 · May 4th, 2004, 09:18 PM

Agreed.....
I have my favorites, depending on my mood. I am in no way opposed to the direction that they are going in though, it is appropriate enough for me to be able to appreciate the new as much as the old.

The Scourge · May 4th, 2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonspell

I agree with Bleakhorizon, this question is a meaningless exercise, and the essence of Katatonia's music has remained largely unchanged despite the aesthetic differences.

While this is true, and again, Bleakhorizon has provided another eloquent and verbose metaphysical evaluation, I don't think any of those points take away from the validity of the initial question here. I can certainly agree to a uniform, unmalleable emotional and atmospheric ethos running through the entire discograpy. But it is aesthetics that allow for the qualification of the whole ouvre. And it is because of these aesthetics that the empirical qualifying of each album really is a severely subjective task. Therefore the question at hand is valid, and a great opportunity to allow for the propagation of many opinions and thoughts by a sect of people uniformly united in the despairing bliss that is Katatonia.

CAS · May 5th, 2004, 01:26 AM

I consider both old and new Katatonia incredible music, something that has affected me a lot. The feeling that every single song creates is unique. That's why I think that I can't compare their old style with new style so I prefer both.

L0bster · May 5th, 2004, 05:01 AM

I guess I like brave murder day and all that follows, maybe a bit more into the new sound, the sound of Discourage Ones and onward.

Varg- · May 5th, 2004, 07:18 AM

Hmmmm.....

Demilich · May 5th, 2004, 07:49 AM

Honestly, minus the vocals, I see BMD as much closer to the "new" Katatonia sound than the "old." I guess I prefer the new, haven't given DoDS or Jhva Elohim Meth much of a chance yet.

Varg- · May 5th, 2004, 07:53 AM

Damn guys. I don't understand how you can give an opinion if you don't know every album (heard is not the same as know)... DoDS is a masterpiece!

DE · May 5th, 2004, 09:54 AM

I like them both

Dreadful · May 5th, 2004, 11:22 AM

I'm more of a fan of the doomish material. The newer stuff is great too, but Dance of December souls, for funerals to come, etc is just some of the most remarkable music I've heard ever. I'm currently writing and recording a doomish song since my friend and I both broke up with our lovers and the Katatonia influence obviously came out without intention. A couple people on the net were like "oh this is very katatonia/paradise lost...Oh well, Katatonia is a great band. This my first time in this section of Ultimate metal as well, pretty cool.

zeroMaximum · May 5th, 2004, 11:46 AM

i really like the latest Anastacia album

Anesthesia · May 5th, 2004, 07:43 PM

I personally love all of Katatonia's music, however Dance of December Souls just has... something... that the others don't. Maybe it is the fact that it is so raw and underproduced that gives it that little extra feeling of darkness and despair. Either way, Katatonia RULES

bmh · May 6th, 2004, 03:14 AM

Depends on what mood I'm in, so both.

Drynwhyl · May 6th, 2004, 02:50 PM

i don't think i could keep apart the feelings and the intense influence of Katatonia's pre-era and the last 3-4 albums in a way. both 'phases' are above all very personal differentiated.. i guess in the beginning their emotions had that typical youth pathos, quasi surging on the surface, the exaltation and devotion as well.. now it's drifting deep inside, as touching as before for sure.
a love both!

PHIL_KORPZE · May 6th, 2004, 03:04 PM

I have to say I like all their stuff. It's always nice to have variety depending on your mood, and all from the same band!

VEHEMENCE · May 14th, 2004, 08:08 PM

New shit is mint!

Jinn · May 16th, 2004, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atreides481

Hey, i'm a pretty big n00b with the whole UM Forums, but just wanting to know what people preffered, old Katatonia or new Katatonia. New Katatonia (Viva Emptiness) is what got me into Katatonia but then became very facinated with the old Katatonia and vocal progression of Jonas Renkse from then to now....anyways whats the longer listeners of Katatonia prefer?

I've been listening ever since Seven Dreaming Souls... I prefer older Katatonia, but their new stuff is kickass. Their Brave Yester Days release was so friggin incredible... THANK YOU KATATONIA!

Epistel · May 16th, 2004, 06:07 AM

it's almost impossible to determine which phase of the music development of Katatonia has more influence,the ideas and the way of expression change and therefore the comparison between the old and the new Katatonia is like to draw a parallel between two completely different groups.Undoubtedly the 'old' Katatonia exhibits more of the strengt and the remonstrance of the youht and now everything is more mature ..i can't define which way leads deeper..Listen to the both!

May 4th, 2004, 03:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
atreides481 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Newcaslte, Australia Posts: 17	Old Katatonia or New Katatonia? Hey, i'm a pretty big n00b with the whole UM Forums, but just wanting to know what people preffered, old Katatonia or new Katatonia. New Katatonia (Viva Emptiness) is what got me into Katatonia but then became very facinated with the old Katatonia and vocal progression of Jonas Renkse from then to now....anyways whats the longer listeners of Katatonia prefer?

May 4th, 2004, 05:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
pistol_pete Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: IRELAND Posts: 1,183	well im only listening since last fair deal, but my preference is the new stuff, my favourite album being Discouraged Ones, dont think any band will ever top that (style). __________________

May 4th, 2004, 10:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
norghash December Soul Join Date: May 2002 Location: Palace Of Frost Posts: 96	their first three releases are the best music ever created! __________________ Katatonia über Alles! http://www.northern-silence.de

May 4th, 2004, 10:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
AngelinaBlakkheim Menacing meow Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 1,474	Both, but I prefer old a little bit. DoDS and BMD __________________ ~ You float there, somewhere between pleasure and fear ~

May 4th, 2004, 10:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
thebleakhorizon aspiring curmudgeon Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New York, U.S. Posts: 35	It's not productive, in my estimation, to put one's self in a position to consider this kind of thing. Of course, I realize a certain level of playfulness with it...however, the action seems ultimately fruitless. Although each Katatonia effort carries with it a unique personality, there certainly remains a constant atmospheric current running through the entire discography. Though the members have matured and developed naturally as musicians and songwriters, and the production has been increasingly enhanced, the soul of the music and its electric ocean of penetration has never been sacrificed. Old...new...it matters not in the grand scheme of musical/emotional fulfillment. What does matter is that it is ever felt at all. N.P. : Tiamat - "Visionaire" __________________ thebleakhorizon.com

May 4th, 2004, 06:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
Varg- Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stockholm Posts: 319	BOTH! I like every album with them just as much, almost.. I can't choose...

May 4th, 2004, 06:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
zeroMaximum www.almenconi.com Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Stockholm Posts: 194	NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW new new new new new. and then some old.

May 4th, 2004, 08:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Demonspell cheating the polygraph Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: dead between the walls Posts: 15,354	I agree with Bleakhorizon, this question is a meaningless exercise, and the essence of Katatonia's music has remained largely unchanged despite the aesthetic differences. __________________ "There is a concern that the Internet could be used to commit crimes and that advanced encryption could disguise such activity. However, we do not provide the government with phone jacks outside our homes for unlimited wiretaps. Why, then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will and in real time to our communications across the Web?"" -- JOHN ASHCROFT, as a U.S. senator, from his Aug. 12, 1997 op-ed piece in the Washington Times, "Welcoming Big Brother."

May 4th, 2004, 09:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
Deliverance6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ann Arbor Michigan U.S. Posts: 2,391	Agreed..... I have my favorites, depending on my mood. I am in no way opposed to the direction that they are going in though, it is appropriate enough for me to be able to appreciate the new as much as the old. __________________ I am the one turning pale:[ I GOT WAY MORE KATATONIA SHIT THAN YOU!

May 5th, 2004, 01:26 AM	#11 (permalink)
CAS Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 50	I consider both old and new Katatonia incredible music, something that has affected me a lot. The feeling that every single song creates is unique. That's why I think that I can't compare their old style with new style so I prefer both.

May 5th, 2004, 05:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
L0bster OneTwo! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,188	I guess I like brave murder day and all that follows, maybe a bit more into the new sound, the sound of Discourage Ones and onward. __________________ " oh, when it's good it's great when it's bad it's still ok "

May 5th, 2004, 07:18 AM	#13 (permalink)
Varg- Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stockholm Posts: 319	Hmmmm.....

May 5th, 2004, 07:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
Demilich Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,347	Honestly, minus the vocals, I see BMD as much closer to the "new" Katatonia sound than the "old." I guess I prefer the new, haven't given DoDS or Jhva Elohim Meth much of a chance yet.

May 5th, 2004, 07:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
Varg- Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stockholm Posts: 319	Damn guys. I don't understand how you can give an opinion if you don't know every album (heard is not the same as know)... DoDS is a masterpiece!

May 5th, 2004, 09:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
DE vote bnp Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 15,295	I like them both

May 5th, 2004, 11:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
Dreadful When Man& Machine Collide Join Date: May 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,164	I'm more of a fan of the doomish material. The newer stuff is great too, but Dance of December souls, for funerals to come, etc is just some of the most remarkable music I've heard ever. I'm currently writing and recording a doomish song since my friend and I both broke up with our lovers and the Katatonia influence obviously came out without intention. A couple people on the net were like "oh this is very katatonia/paradise lost...Oh well, Katatonia is a great band. This my first time in this section of Ultimate metal as well, pretty cool. __________________ No erasing until a new Summoning album is released. - 12/30/2010 NEW SUMMONING SAMPLES ON AMAZON - new album "Old Mornings Dawn" out June 7. http://www.amazon.it/Old-Mornings-Da...13498&sr=301-1

May 5th, 2004, 11:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
zeroMaximum www.almenconi.com Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Stockholm Posts: 194	i really like the latest Anastacia album

May 5th, 2004, 07:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
Anesthesia Just let me die Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 41	I personally love all of Katatonia's music, however Dance of December Souls just has... something... that the others don't. Maybe it is the fact that it is so raw and underproduced that gives it that little extra feeling of darkness and despair. Either way, Katatonia RULES __________________ Did one say so cruel, 'Tis better to love than lose Ignorance is bliss, Wish not knew your kiss So many times been burned, This lesson goes unlearned Remember desire only fuels the fire....Liar! - Type O Negative "Anesthesia"From Life is Killing Me 2003http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

May 6th, 2004, 03:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
bmh Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 394	Depends on what mood I'm in, so both.

May 6th, 2004, 02:50 PM	#21 (permalink)
Drynwhyl infp Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: muc. Posts: 423	i don't think i could keep apart the feelings and the intense influence of Katatonia's pre-era and the last 3-4 albums in a way. both 'phases' are above all very personal differentiated.. i guess in the beginning their emotions had that typical youth pathos, quasi surging on the surface, the exaltation and devotion as well.. now it's drifting deep inside, as touching as before for sure. a love both! __________________ ah, the calm below that poisoned river wild

May 6th, 2004, 03:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
PHIL_KORPZE Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 16	I have to say I like all their stuff. It's always nice to have variety depending on your mood, and all from the same band! __________________ ugh...

May 14th, 2004, 08:08 PM	#23 (permalink)
VEHEMENCE Helping The World To See Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Phoenix, Arizona U.S.A. Posts: 4,143	New shit is mint! __________________ My Myspace accounts: http://www.myspace.com/vehemencepunk http://www.myspace.com/cursedinblack http://www.myspace.com/vehemence

May 16th, 2004, 06:07 AM	#25 (permalink)
Epistel expecting not to be Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: monuments of dreamless rains Posts: 74	it's almost impossible to determine which phase of the music development of Katatonia has more influence,the ideas and the way of expression change and therefore the comparison between the old and the new Katatonia is like to draw a parallel between two completely different groups.Undoubtedly the 'old' Katatonia exhibits more of the strengt and the remonstrance of the youht and now everything is more mature ..i can't define which way leads deeper..Listen to the both! __________________ A thin, nameless noise among all the others Howling in the empty dark room