Huge problem here

Cerulean · February 16th, 2005, 01:01 PM

I bought a Bloodbath shirt and an Ancient Rites poster on Ebay from Anders. I sent 50 euros to him in a registered mail.
Look what I got today...

"
hey gorik,

now check this out cuz we got a problem.
i just got yer letter, it was registered, so i signed it to get it out.
when i open it, there's no money in there.
but at a closer look, i see a small fragment of a bill in there (see photos).
the envelope had not been opened, so nobody could have stolen it... or if they did, how was it done?!?!
out of 100s of letters sent to me, i never seen this before.
dya have any explaination for this??? did u take out the money again???
since u sent it registered, maybe u can demand the money back.
the thing is i didnt get any money.

anders"

http://users.pandora.be/antimatter/CIMG1159.JPG
http://users.pandora.be/antimatter/CIMG1160.JPG

Anyone ever experienced something similar? What should I do??

jptk · February 16th, 2005, 01:11 PM

Hmmm....thats wierd. Cant trust those crazy mailmen! If its registered you should be able to get your money back

Cerulean · February 16th, 2005, 01:19 PM

Well I highly doubt that, cos how can I prove that I did put money in it?

What I don't understand is, it looks like the money has been CUT??? Cos there's still a lil piece of it left.
Some kind of ingenious mailman trick?

Lion in a Cage · February 16th, 2005, 03:04 PM

Sending money via mail is very unreliable. I suggest you use either "western union" or "paypal" to send money...

Cerulean · February 16th, 2005, 03:05 PM

Registered mails were supposed to be very safe.
I can't get a Paypal account.

jptk · February 16th, 2005, 03:23 PM

yes these mailmen are a clever folk. not sure what else you can do about it.
burn down the post office

Wanderer · February 16th, 2005, 04:23 PM

Some banks have (i don't know it's english name but turkish meaning "imaginary") special credit card for using at internet based shopping.For example you need 50$ to buy an item.You can send 50$ to your special card from your account.This special card's number always changes.So none can use your special credit card number.It is very secure.

Lion in a Cage · February 16th, 2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wanderer

Some banks have (i don't know it's english name but turkish meaning "imaginary") special credit card for using at internet based shopping.For example you need 50$ to buy an item.You can send 50$ to your special card from your account.This special card's number always changes.So none can use your special credit card number.It is very secure.

Yeah, but "Anders" is not an online store. You can't use a credit card to pay him.

gatedropper · February 16th, 2005, 05:08 PM

Wrap the money in tin foil. If they can see a strip on the x-ray they will find a way to open the thing. Tin foil will screw up the x-ray.

Wanderer · February 16th, 2005, 05:18 PM

Did i say that you can pay Anders's money by this card? I mentioned that someone could use this card at internet based shopping.

MountainDweller · February 16th, 2005, 05:39 PM

That's really fuckin' weird. Someone had to have figured out a way to make a cut so fine that it's not noticable or something. Maybe Anders should have another look at the envelope. That's sad, though.

Also, I don't think you can claim actual money in registered mail. You're usually given a receipt when you send something that way and in the small print it usually says money isn't coverable by the loss guarantee or whatever.

MadTinus · February 16th, 2005, 06:31 PM

@ Cerulean, in this case I'm sorry to say, but you're fucked, cause Anders signed for the reception of the envelope. He thereby declared he received the letter "in good order" (= with the money in it). And how could he have done otherwise, there were no visual marks on the outside of the envelope, suggesting it had been opened to take the money out.

I'm saying this, cause the same thing happened to me once (last year). I picked up a registered letter -which should contain cash- from the postoffice, signed for it and when I came home I discovered the money had been stolen. On the backside there were actually marks showing quite obviously the envelope had been opened and glued shut again. I went to the postoffice to report the loss, but they couldn't help me cause I signed for receiving the letter 'in good order'. I'd been home in the meantime, so I could just as well have taken the money out myself.. It wasn't until then that I became more conscious and careful about signing for what I receive, so now I first make sure everything really is in order, before actually signing.

Jinn · February 17th, 2005, 01:08 AM

...woah... whichever mailman ripped that money from you...

that dude's a genius....

but damn! that's fucking crazy!!!

Deliverance6 · February 17th, 2005, 11:36 AM

Hey Cerulean,
I feel bad about your situation......I have been there too.(very recently for money sent to poland).....I have learned to wrap my money folded up in paper and then tape it up (completely sealed)......then put it in a box with a cd and then write on the box that it is a CD.....

Sorry brother.....but it happens and there is probably nothing you can do now.....because it wasnt stolen, it made it where it was supposed to go....

Jinn · February 17th, 2005, 11:46 AM

hollow out a blank tape and stuff the money in there then send it on it's way?

Wanderer · February 17th, 2005, 02:45 PM

That makes some sense

insidethefall · February 18th, 2005, 12:05 AM

There are things called international money orders that you can get from your bank or post office. Never ever ever ever, under any condition, send cash in an envelope...i've heard this story a thousand times and I always feel really bad for the payer because I hate thieves.

nothinglefttofear · February 18th, 2005, 04:09 PM

I have sent registered CASH in a letter to the USA only once (6 years ago I think), and guess what... it never arrived... However I got part of them money back ( 60% ) from the insurance, but had to wait like 4 months for it...

After that experience I have always sent cash in a normal letter, not registered... and guess what... it always arrived... Strange but true, just make it look like normal and hide it in tin paper and no problems occur...

Cerulean · February 18th, 2005, 04:35 PM

Yeah, thing is, a registered mail always contains something of value, so thieves will pay more attention to them than to regular envelopes. I think.

Deliverance6 · February 18th, 2005, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerulean

Yeah, thing is, a registered mail always contains something of value, so thieves will pay more attention to them than to regular envelopes. I think.

The first time I sent cash to POLAND I did it unregistered....thinking it would be less inconspicuous......it got stolen.......then I sent it registered and it made it there......I dont know which one is better to tell you the truth......cash either way is risky buisness....

Swany · February 19th, 2005, 05:06 AM

Sending cash is always a risk... but when you have to send money for paying something, there's a better and more safe way...

The one who's got the packet [in this case Anders] can send it per cash on delivery... so he brings the packet to the postoffice and gets his 50€ ... now the post is responsible for the packet.
When the packet arrives, the receiver [p.E. Cerulean] has to pay the 50€ + postage + special fee to the postman. Before he pays, he's abled to have a look into the packet together with the postman.
This is more expensive than sending cash because of the postage & fee ... in EU-countries it's gonna be something about 12€ ... but you can be sure, that the packet will arrive... and if it got lost or stolen on it's way to the receiver, it's neither the senders nor the receivers problem.

MadTinus · February 19th, 2005, 11:12 AM

Yes, this method is called sending under "rembours", never used it, cause it's quite expensive, but it seems safe indeed.

MountainDweller · February 19th, 2005, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloodySwan

Sending cash is always a risk... but when you have to send money for paying something, there's a better and more safe way...

The one who's got the packet [in this case Anders] can send it per cash on delivery... so he brings the packet to the postoffice and gets his 50€ ... now the post is responsible for the packet.
When the packet arrives, the receiver [p.E. Cerulean] has to pay the 50€ + postage + special fee to the postman. Before he pays, he's abled to have a look into the packet together with the postman.
This is more expensive than sending cash because of the postage & fee ... in EU-countries it's gonna be something about 12€ ... but you can be sure, that the packet will arrive... and if it got lost or stolen on it's way to the receiver, it's neither the senders nor the receivers problem.

Unfortunately, Anders and Katatonia don't do C.O.D.

Novembers Paul · February 19th, 2005, 03:26 PM

Cerulean, by no means am I blaming you of this, but I know, speaking from experience, there are a lot of people out there, who pull scams like this as well, thinking that when the band gets this envelope, and it looks like they have been ripped off, to save face, or even be a nice guy and be called a "rip off" that the band will send the merch anyway. It's a tough position to be in on either side. I've been a part of scams before, and you just don't know how to look at it, because as you're saying here, it may be legit!

jptk · February 19th, 2005, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novembers Paul

Cerulean, by no means am I blaming you of this, but I know, speaking from experience, there are a lot of people out there, who pull scams like this as well, thinking that when the band gets this envelope, and it looks like they have been ripped off, to save face, or even be a nice guy and be called a "rip off" that the band will send the merch anyway. It's a tough position to be in on either side. I've been a part of scams before, and you just don't know how to look at it, because as you're saying here, it may be legit!

Why would people do that to bands/guys that they like? that sucks

February 16th, 2005, 01:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	Huge problem here I bought a Bloodbath shirt and an Ancient Rites poster on Ebay from Anders. I sent 50 euros to him in a registered mail. Look what I got today... " hey gorik, now check this out cuz we got a problem. i just got yer letter, it was registered, so i signed it to get it out. when i open it, there's no money in there. but at a closer look, i see a small fragment of a bill in there (see photos). the envelope had not been opened, so nobody could have stolen it... or if they did, how was it done?!?! out of 100s of letters sent to me, i never seen this before. dya have any explaination for this??? did u take out the money again??? since u sent it registered, maybe u can demand the money back. the thing is i didnt get any money. anders" http://users.pandora.be/antimatter/CIMG1159.JPG http://users.pandora.be/antimatter/CIMG1160.JPG Anyone ever experienced something similar? What should I do?? __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde Last edited by Cerulean : February 16th, 2005 at 01:03 PM.

February 16th, 2005, 01:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	Well I highly doubt that, cos how can I prove that I did put money in it? What I don't understand is, it looks like the money has been CUT??? Cos there's still a lil piece of it left. Some kind of ingenious mailman trick? __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde

February 16th, 2005, 03:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lion in a Cage I Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Istanbul/Turkey Posts: 791	Sending money via mail is very unreliable. I suggest you use either "western union" or "paypal" to send money... __________________ The apple tree never asks the beech how he shall grow; nor the lion, the horse, how he shall take his prey.

February 16th, 2005, 03:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	Registered mails were supposed to be very safe. I can't get a Paypal account. __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde

February 16th, 2005, 04:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wanderer Decayed Smile Join Date: May 2001 Location: where sorrow never dies,Istanbul Posts: 792	Some banks have (i don't know it's english name but turkish meaning "imaginary") special credit card for using at internet based shopping.For example you need 50$ to buy an item.You can send 50$ to your special card from your account.This special card's number always changes.So none can use your special credit card number.It is very secure. __________________ four numbers staring back at me displaying the mediocrity of my presence i am wasting my day watching them change the sun with it's blue sky outside shining down on all you happy people i am wasting my day waiting for rain need more methods to end each day to be happy by living this way

February 16th, 2005, 01:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
jptk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 587	Hmmm....thats wierd. Cant trust those crazy mailmen! If its registered you should be able to get your money back

February 16th, 2005, 03:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
jptk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 587	yes these mailmen are a clever folk. not sure what else you can do about it. burn down the post office

February 16th, 2005, 05:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
gatedropper Prince of Peace Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,684	Wrap the money in tin foil. If they can see a strip on the x-ray they will find a way to open the thing. Tin foil will screw up the x-ray.

February 16th, 2005, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Wanderer Decayed Smile Join Date: May 2001 Location: where sorrow never dies,Istanbul Posts: 792	Did i say that you can pay Anders's money by this card? I mentioned that someone could use this card at internet based shopping. __________________ four numbers staring back at me displaying the mediocrity of my presence i am wasting my day watching them change the sun with it's blue sky outside shining down on all you happy people i am wasting my day waiting for rain need more methods to end each day to be happy by living this way

February 16th, 2005, 05:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
MountainDweller Under The Dark Moon Join Date: May 2001 Location: Back in the Hellhole called Texas. Posts: 579	That's really fuckin' weird. Someone had to have figured out a way to make a cut so fine that it's not noticable or something. Maybe Anders should have another look at the envelope. That's sad, though. Also, I don't think you can claim actual money in registered mail. You're usually given a receipt when you send something that way and in the small print it usually says money isn't coverable by the loss guarantee or whatever. __________________ type signature here Last edited by MountainDweller : February 16th, 2005 at 05:41 PM.

February 16th, 2005, 06:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
MadTinus Spelling/language nazi Join Date: May 2002 Location: Utrecht, Netherlands Posts: 8,438	@ Cerulean, in this case I'm sorry to say, but you're fucked, cause Anders signed for the reception of the envelope. He thereby declared he received the letter "in good order" (= with the money in it). And how could he have done otherwise, there were no visual marks on the outside of the envelope, suggesting it had been opened to take the money out. I'm saying this, cause the same thing happened to me once (last year). I picked up a registered letter -which should contain cash- from the postoffice, signed for it and when I came home I discovered the money had been stolen. On the backside there were actually marks showing quite obviously the envelope had been opened and glued shut again. I went to the postoffice to report the loss, but they couldn't help me cause I signed for receiving the letter 'in good order'. I'd been home in the meantime, so I could just as well have taken the money out myself.. It wasn't until then that I became more conscious and careful about signing for what I receive, so now I first make sure everything really is in order, before actually signing. __________________ My music collection @ Discogs Played last week @ Last.fm:

February 17th, 2005, 01:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jinn Saint Join Date: May 2004 Location: Orlando, Florida USA Posts: 5,442	...woah... whichever mailman ripped that money from you... that dude's a genius.... but damn! that's fucking crazy!!! __________________ www.myspace.com/drynwhylband

February 17th, 2005, 11:36 AM	#14 (permalink)
Deliverance6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ann Arbor Michigan U.S. Posts: 2,391	Hey Cerulean, I feel bad about your situation......I have been there too.(very recently for money sent to poland).....I have learned to wrap my money folded up in paper and then tape it up (completely sealed)......then put it in a box with a cd and then write on the box that it is a CD..... Sorry brother.....but it happens and there is probably nothing you can do now.....because it wasnt stolen, it made it where it was supposed to go.... __________________ I am the one turning pale:[ I GOT WAY MORE KATATONIA SHIT THAN YOU!

February 17th, 2005, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jinn Saint Join Date: May 2004 Location: Orlando, Florida USA Posts: 5,442	hollow out a blank tape and stuff the money in there then send it on it's way? __________________ www.myspace.com/drynwhylband

February 17th, 2005, 02:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
Wanderer Decayed Smile Join Date: May 2001 Location: where sorrow never dies,Istanbul Posts: 792	That makes some sense __________________ four numbers staring back at me displaying the mediocrity of my presence i am wasting my day watching them change the sun with it's blue sky outside shining down on all you happy people i am wasting my day waiting for rain need more methods to end each day to be happy by living this way

February 18th, 2005, 12:05 AM	#17 (permalink)
insidethefall somewhere nowhere Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: pittsburgh, pa Posts: 1,089	There are things called international money orders that you can get from your bank or post office. Never ever ever ever, under any condition, send cash in an envelope...i've heard this story a thousand times and I always feel really bad for the payer because I hate thieves. __________________ any colours to express apart from bleak is hard

February 18th, 2005, 04:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
nothinglefttofear Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NetherWorld Posts: 21	I have sent registered CASH in a letter to the USA only once (6 years ago I think), and guess what... it never arrived... However I got part of them money back ( 60% ) from the insurance, but had to wait like 4 months for it... After that experience I have always sent cash in a normal letter, not registered... and guess what... it always arrived... Strange but true, just make it look like normal and hide it in tin paper and no problems occur...

February 18th, 2005, 04:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	Yeah, thing is, a registered mail always contains something of value, so thieves will pay more attention to them than to regular envelopes. I think. __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde

February 19th, 2005, 05:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
Swany Rider On The Bonez Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 737	Sending cash is always a risk... but when you have to send money for paying something, there's a better and more safe way... The one who's got the packet [in this case Anders] can send it per cash on delivery... so he brings the packet to the postoffice and gets his 50€ ... now the post is responsible for the packet. When the packet arrives, the receiver [p.E. Cerulean] has to pay the 50€ + postage + special fee to the postman. Before he pays, he's abled to have a look into the packet together with the postman. This is more expensive than sending cash because of the postage & fee ... in EU-countries it's gonna be something about 12€ ... but you can be sure, that the packet will arrive... and if it got lost or stolen on it's way to the receiver, it's neither the senders nor the receivers problem.

February 19th, 2005, 11:12 AM	#22 (permalink)
MadTinus Spelling/language nazi Join Date: May 2002 Location: Utrecht, Netherlands Posts: 8,438	Yes, this method is called sending under "rembours", never used it, cause it's quite expensive, but it seems safe indeed. __________________ My music collection @ Discogs Played last week @ Last.fm:

February 19th, 2005, 03:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
Novembers Paul Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 4,610	Cerulean, by no means am I blaming you of this, but I know, speaking from experience, there are a lot of people out there, who pull scams like this as well, thinking that when the band gets this envelope, and it looks like they have been ripped off, to save face, or even be a nice guy and be called a "rip off" that the band will send the merch anyway. It's a tough position to be in on either side. I've been a part of scams before, and you just don't know how to look at it, because as you're saying here, it may be legit! __________________ PAUL KUHR • Twitter • Facebook • MySpace NOVEMBERS DOOM • www.novembersdoom.com • Twitter • MySpace • Facebook • YouTube THESE ARE THEY • www.thesearethey.us • MySpace • Facebook • YouTube • Reverbnation