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Old July 20th, 2006, 05:01 AM   #51 (permalink)
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the band should consider playing 'A Premonition' live. i'm sure the song would kill!
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Old July 20th, 2006, 07:52 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I must admit that I was little dissapointed to VE when I listened to it first time.
But now, when the album is almost used up, I have fell in love to it. There's a certain brilliance, which doensn't open up, when I listened to it first time.
For example Omerta and Evidence are now few of my all time favorites from Katatonia. :>
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Old July 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I love every Kata album, even VE.
Since the first time I listened to it I realized that there was something different, but it's not bad. I just can't hate any Katatonia album.
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Old July 20th, 2006, 08:45 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes.

It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.
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Old July 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM   #55 (permalink)
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VE has better guitar tone than TGCD imo, and the vocals are very clear too, they sound very in the ''front' to me...not complaining abot TGCD and i agree it is a very well-produced album....
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Old July 21st, 2006, 02:13 AM   #56 (permalink)
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VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay, it has way more quality that the rest, and in terms of lyrics its the best too, the best rythms and the most heavy one to date.....TGCD its no their best....its 3 or even 4 in my top 5 from kata.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 03:17 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes.

It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.
I pretty much fully agree with you.
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VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay,
Even the band themselves don't see it that way .
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Old July 21st, 2006, 03:23 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Katatonia made every album great but I have to admit VE is my least fav from them, perhaps VE lack of the elements I love very much from katatonia's and I don't like the production of this album

IMHO, my perfect albums from katatonia are BMD,DO and LFDGD
the rest are great! like 95/100 but not 100/100
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Old July 21st, 2006, 03:24 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Katatonia made every album great but I have to admit VE is my least fav from them, perhaps VE lack of the elements I love very much from katatonia's and I don't like the production of this album

IMHO, my perfect albums from katatonia are BMD,DO and LFDGD
the rest are great! like 95/100 but not 100/100
I agree with you as well!

Damn, I'm in a very agreeful mood today it seems .
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Old July 21st, 2006, 03:29 AM   #60 (permalink)
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I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes.

It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.
oh I posted my thought then saw ur post. I have to say I 100% agree with you! esspecially "they took everything that wa wrong iwth VE and corrected in TGCD" I just think VE's problem is the same with Anathema - A fine day to exit ( also my least fav album from anathema and they fixed everything in A natural disaster which a perfect album)

I just feel like, they are making an experiment in VE and A fine day to exit and they knew the real trick after that in the next album.

about the VE's production, I've asked many friend and done some searches, the guitars sound in VE sounds not good because they didn't use the hardware effects, the guitars effect in VE were done by digitech guitar software plugins.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 03:47 AM   #61 (permalink)
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...I just think VE's problem is the same with Anathema - A fine day to exit ( also my least fav album from anathema and they fixed everything in A natural disaster which a perfect album)
Now there I have to disagree with you, for me A Natural Disaster is just another step down the ladder.. My least favourite Anathema album for sure.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 03:55 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Now there I have to disagree with you, for me A Natural Disaster is just another step down the ladder.. My least favourite Anathema album for sure.

oh too bad you don't like that album I personally think that is a great album
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Old July 21st, 2006, 04:12 AM   #63 (permalink)
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I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too.
see, that's exactly what i think of LFDGD.

VE on the other side is almost perfect in every aspect. the only songs which are a bit flawed are Sleeper, Wealth and One Year From Now. all the other ones are masterpieces. TGCD is brilliant too, but it doesn't reach the unmatched quality of VE, imo.

well, tastes differ, that's normal, but it's really shocking for me, that so many people dislike this great album.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 07:32 AM   #64 (permalink)
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VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay, it has way more quality that the rest, and in terms of lyrics its the best too, the best rythms and the most heavy one to date.....TGCD its no their best....its 3 or even 4 in my top 5 from kata.
I dislike how you state your opinion as if it's the absolute truth... To each his own...
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Old July 21st, 2006, 07:47 AM   #65 (permalink)
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I like Viva Emptiness all right, Ghost of the Sun and Evidence are fantastic, but I think it's a bit too dark, cold and apocalyptic, and lacks the emotion of LFDGD and (some songs) on TGCD. Kinda like.. LFDGD was warm sepia, and VE is gray. I think the artwork represents the albums quite well.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 10:55 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Now there I have to disagree with you, for me A Natural Disaster is just another step down the ladder.. My least favourite Anathema album for sure.
Yeah, Anathema just aren't the band I used to love. They had a string of classics: The Silent Enigma, Eternity, Alternative 4, and Judgement. Sadly they've been going downhill every since. They're just not the same band anymore unfortunately.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 11:29 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Yeah, Anathema just aren't the band I used to love. They had a string of classics: The Silent Enigma, Eternity, Alternative 4, and Judgement. Sadly they've been going downhill every since. They're just not the same band anymore unfortunately.
I really like A Fine Day To Exit from time to time, but A Natural Disaster simply fails to hit me entirely.. Surely A4 and Judgement were Anathema's finest moments.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 11:31 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Balance and Closer are top class songs...
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Old July 21st, 2006, 11:48 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Balance and Closer are top class songs...
I dislike how you state your opinion as if it's the absolute truth... To each his own...

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In terms of structure and songwriting, smartass
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Old July 21st, 2006, 11:57 AM   #71 (permalink)
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In terms of structure and songwriting, smartass
Seriously, that's exactly where I think the last 2 Anathema albums lack, on the albums before that there were songs with a clear head and tail, but on the last 2 albums there's no structure in the songs, it's mere soundscapes that come fading in and at one random point simply fade out again... It's too 'vague', I prefer more clear structure.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 12:03 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Hmm yeah I perfectly understand what you mean... But it's exactly this 'soundscape' feeling that I like. Which makes it a personal opinion after all

Anyway, I only like a few songs of those albums though. I don't consider them masterpeaces like Alt4, Eternity, Pentecost, Silent Enigma and even Serenades.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 06:59 PM   #73 (permalink)
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No love for judgement? that one is a perfect album!
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Old July 21st, 2006, 08:15 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I dislike everyone else's opinions for they're not all the same as mine... fuck that. just listen to what you like and thats that!!

I'm too beginning to hate this kind of threads...
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Old July 21st, 2006, 11:11 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I dislike everyone else's opinions for they're not all the same as mine... fuck that. just listen to what you like and thats that!!

I'm too beginning to hate this kind of threads...
Wow, calm down mate.

It's a thread for discussion and opnions.
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