Possible to hate Viva Emptiness, and like everything else? - Page 3

Hypnos · July 20th, 2006, 05:01 AM

the band should consider playing 'A Premonition' live. i'm sure the song would kill!

raato · July 20th, 2006, 07:52 AM

I must admit that I was little dissapointed to VE when I listened to it first time.
But now, when the album is almost used up, I have fell in love to it. There's a certain brilliance, which doensn't open up, when I listened to it first time.
For example Omerta and Evidence are now few of my all time favorites from Katatonia. :>

RatU a.k.a Dainon · July 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM

I love every Kata album, even VE.
Since the first time I listened to it I realized that there was something different, but it's not bad. I just can't hate any Katatonia album.
Cheers!

KittyKatatonia · July 20th, 2006, 08:45 PM

I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes.

It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.

i aint play this · July 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM

VE has better guitar tone than TGCD imo, and the vocals are very clear too, they sound very in the ''front' to me...not complaining abot TGCD and i agree it is a very well-produced album....

Discouraged+One · July 21st, 2006, 02:13 AM

VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay, it has way more quality that the rest, and in terms of lyrics its the best too, the best rythms and the most heavy one to date.....TGCD its no their best....its 3 or even 4 in my top 5 from kata.

MadTinus · July 21st, 2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyKatatonia

I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes.

It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.

I pretty much fully agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Discouraged+One

VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay,

Even the band themselves don't see it that way

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Bereavement · July 21st, 2006, 03:23 AM

Katatonia made every album great but I have to admit VE is my least fav from them, perhaps VE lack of the elements I love very much from katatonia's and I don't like the production of this album

IMHO, my perfect albums from katatonia are BMD,DO and LFDGD

the rest are great! like 95/100 but not 100/100

MadTinus · July 21st, 2006, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bereavement

Katatonia made every album great but I have to admit VE is my least fav from them, perhaps VE lack of the elements I love very much from katatonia's and I don't like the production of this album

IMHO, my perfect albums from katatonia are BMD,DO and LFDGD

the rest are great! like 95/100 but not 100/100

I agree with you as well!

Damn, I'm in a very agreeful mood today it seems

.

Bereavement · July 21st, 2006, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyKatatonia

I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes.

It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.

oh I posted my thought then saw ur post. I have to say I 100% agree with you! esspecially "they took everything that wa wrong iwth VE and corrected in TGCD" I just think VE's problem is the same with Anathema - A fine day to exit ( also my least fav album from anathema and they fixed everything in A natural disaster which a perfect album)

I just feel like, they are making an experiment in VE and A fine day to exit and they knew the real trick after that in the next album.

about the VE's production, I've asked many friend and done some searches, the guitars sound in VE sounds not good because they didn't use the hardware effects, the guitars effect in VE were done by digitech guitar software plugins.

MadTinus · July 21st, 2006, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bereavement

...I just think VE's problem is the same with Anathema - A fine day to exit ( also my least fav album from anathema and they fixed everything in A natural disaster which a perfect album)

Now there I have to disagree with you, for me A Natural Disaster is just another step down the ladder.. My least favourite Anathema album for sure.

Bereavement · July 21st, 2006, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MadTinus

Now there I have to disagree with you, for me A Natural Disaster is just another step down the ladder.. My least favourite Anathema album for sure.

oh too bad you don't like that album

I personally think that is a great album

Hypnos · July 21st, 2006, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyKatatonia

I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too.

see, that's exactly what i think of LFDGD.

VE on the other side is almost perfect in every aspect. the only songs which are a bit flawed are Sleeper, Wealth and One Year From Now. all the other ones are masterpieces. TGCD is brilliant too, but it doesn't reach the unmatched quality of VE, imo.

well, tastes differ, that's normal, but it's really shocking for me, that so many people dislike this great album.

Cerulean · July 21st, 2006, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Discouraged+One

VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay, it has way more quality that the rest, and in terms of lyrics its the best too, the best rythms and the most heavy one to date.....TGCD its no their best....its 3 or even 4 in my top 5 from kata.

I dislike how you state your opinion as if it's the absolute truth... To each his own...

madu · July 21st, 2006, 07:47 AM

I like Viva Emptiness all right, Ghost of the Sun and Evidence are fantastic, but I think it's a bit too dark, cold and apocalyptic, and lacks the emotion of LFDGD and (some songs) on TGCD. Kinda like.. LFDGD was warm sepia, and VE is gray. I think the artwork represents the albums quite well.

KittyKatatonia · July 21st, 2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MadTinus

Now there I have to disagree with you, for me A Natural Disaster is just another step down the ladder.. My least favourite Anathema album for sure.

Yeah, Anathema just aren't the band I used to love. They had a string of classics: The Silent Enigma, Eternity, Alternative 4, and Judgement. Sadly they've been going downhill every since. They're just not the same band anymore unfortunately.

MadTinus · July 21st, 2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KittyKatatonia

Yeah, Anathema just aren't the band I used to love. They had a string of classics: The Silent Enigma, Eternity, Alternative 4, and Judgement. Sadly they've been going downhill every since. They're just not the same band anymore unfortunately.

I really like A Fine Day To Exit from time to time, but A Natural Disaster simply fails to hit me entirely.. Surely A4 and Judgement were Anathema's finest moments.

Cerulean · July 21st, 2006, 11:31 AM

Balance and Closer are top class songs...

MadTinus · July 21st, 2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerulean

Balance and Closer are top class songs...

I dislike how you state your opinion as if it's the absolute truth... To each his own...

Cerulean · July 21st, 2006, 11:52 AM

In terms of structure and songwriting, smartass

MadTinus · July 21st, 2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerulean

In terms of structure and songwriting, smartass

Seriously, that's exactly where I think the last 2 Anathema albums lack, on the albums before that there were songs with a clear head and tail, but on the last 2 albums there's no structure in the songs, it's mere soundscapes that come fading in and at one random point simply fade out again... It's too 'vague', I prefer more clear structure.

Cerulean · July 21st, 2006, 12:03 PM

Hmm yeah I perfectly understand what you mean... But it's exactly this 'soundscape' feeling that I like. Which makes it a personal opinion after all

Anyway, I only like a few songs of those albums though. I don't consider them masterpeaces like Alt4, Eternity, Pentecost, Silent Enigma and even Serenades.

i aint play this · July 21st, 2006, 06:59 PM

No love for judgement? that one is a perfect album!

hugot · July 21st, 2006, 08:15 PM

I dislike everyone else's opinions for they're not all the same as mine... fuck that. just listen to what you like and thats that!!

I'm too beginning to hate this kind of threads...

RatU a.k.a Dainon · July 21st, 2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hugot

I dislike everyone else's opinions for they're not all the same as mine... fuck that. just listen to what you like and thats that!!

I'm too beginning to hate this kind of threads...

Wow, calm down mate.

It's a thread for discussion and opnions.

July 21st, 2006, 11:31 AM	#68 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	Balance and Closer are top class songs... __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde

July 21st, 2006, 11:52 AM	#70 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	In terms of structure and songwriting, smartass __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde

July 21st, 2006, 12:03 PM	#72 (permalink)
Cerulean Not very cerulean eh Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Affligem, Belgium Posts: 6,118	Hmm yeah I perfectly understand what you mean... But it's exactly this 'soundscape' feeling that I like. Which makes it a personal opinion after all Anyway, I only like a few songs of those albums though. I don't consider them masterpeaces like Alt4, Eternity, Pentecost, Silent Enigma and even Serenades. __________________ myspace.com/detoorn myspace.com/kludde

July 21st, 2006, 08:15 PM	#74 (permalink)
hugot ¿QUÉ? Join Date: May 2006 Location: méxico city Posts: 468	I dislike everyone else's opinions for they're not all the same as mine... fuck that. just listen to what you like and thats that!! I'm too beginning to hate this kind of threads... __________________ H.

July 20th, 2006, 05:01 AM	#51 (permalink)
Hypnos steck ihn nei! Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,270	the band should consider playing 'A Premonition' live. i'm sure the song would kill!

July 20th, 2006, 07:52 AM	#52 (permalink)
raato Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 35	I must admit that I was little dissapointed to VE when I listened to it first time. But now, when the album is almost used up, I have fell in love to it. There's a certain brilliance, which doensn't open up, when I listened to it first time. For example Omerta and Evidence are now few of my all time favorites from Katatonia. :>

July 20th, 2006, 03:30 PM	#53 (permalink)
RatU a.k.a Dainon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Londrina, Brazil. Posts: 249	I love every Kata album, even VE. Since the first time I listened to it I realized that there was something different, but it's not bad. I just can't hate any Katatonia album. Cheers!

July 20th, 2006, 08:45 PM	#54 (permalink)
KittyKatatonia Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA Posts: 393	I love everything Katatonia has ever done, and even I think that Viva Emptiness is by far Katatonia's worst album. It's got some good songs, the best being Omerta, but as a whole it's just so lacking in terms of quality. It sounds rushed actually. The majority of the songs just aren't very strong, the lyrics are sometimes out of place even to the point of distracting, and the production is pretty awful too. The snare drum has that annoying "ping" sound that I can't stand, the guitars sound sloppy, the vocals are buried, and the whole thing is just noisy. The whole production is very un-Katatonia-ish, which turns me off to it. It's grown on me somewhat over the years and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it will always be their one (mostly) failed effort in my eyes. It's funny that they followed it up with what I consider their greatest album, The Great Cold Distance. It truly is a classic, and an album I will rank up there with my top 20 albums of all time. What a difference a few years made! They took everything that was wrong with Viva Emptiness and corrected it. I've also heard it was done at the same studio too, which amazes me because it's so much better this time around. On The Great Cold Distance, the production is PERFECT, with all instruments being correctly mixed, the drums sound awesome, the vocals are at the perfect level, etc.

July 20th, 2006, 08:56 PM	#55 (permalink)
i aint play this Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brazil Posts: 5,046	VE has better guitar tone than TGCD imo, and the vocals are very clear too, they sound very in the ''front' to me...not complaining abot TGCD and i agree it is a very well-produced album....

July 21st, 2006, 02:13 AM	#56 (permalink)
Discouraged+One Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Guadalajara, Mexico Posts: 276	VIVA its their best album yet, sad people dont see it that eay, it has way more quality that the rest, and in terms of lyrics its the best too, the best rythms and the most heavy one to date.....TGCD its no their best....its 3 or even 4 in my top 5 from kata.

July 21st, 2006, 03:23 AM	#58 (permalink)
Bereavement In the vein of Dark Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 341	Katatonia made every album great but I have to admit VE is my least fav from them, perhaps VE lack of the elements I love very much from katatonia's and I don't like the production of this album IMHO, my perfect albums from katatonia are BMD,DO and LFDGD the rest are great! like 95/100 but not 100/100

July 21st, 2006, 07:47 AM	#65 (permalink)
madu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend Posts: 506	I like Viva Emptiness all right, Ghost of the Sun and Evidence are fantastic, but I think it's a bit too dark, cold and apocalyptic, and lacks the emotion of LFDGD and (some songs) on TGCD. Kinda like.. LFDGD was warm sepia, and VE is gray. I think the artwork represents the albums quite well.

July 21st, 2006, 06:59 PM	#73 (permalink)
i aint play this Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brazil Posts: 5,046	No love for judgement? that one is a perfect album!