"Criminals" teaser

Mal · February 20th, 2003, 12:34 PM

Moonshield · February 20th, 2003, 12:43 PM

I think I preferred the 'Evidence' clip actually, but this does sound pretty good. It does seem a bit different though.

I don't think I'll download anything else now, that's it. Next stop - the full album.

Cerulean · February 20th, 2003, 12:44 PM

Old news

Lunatic_Fringe · February 20th, 2003, 07:36 PM

The whole song feels much better....

yourdeadgroom · February 20th, 2003, 07:43 PM

I quite like it, though 45 seconds is too short to really say

Alucard · February 20th, 2003, 09:27 PM

I personally like this sample more than Evidence. I didn't really like Evidence when I first heard it, but it's growing on me. Criminals, on the other hand, I liked right away. I really like the guitar effects that Anders uses on both songs. I thought the guitar effects sounded great on LFDGD and I'm glad they are used nicely on this album as well. The drums sound great too, as does the overall production. The only thing I'm little concerned with is the vocals. As other have pointed out they sound a little more mainstream. It doesn't quite sound like the same Jonas I know from the previous albums. But I'm not going to make any real judgements until I hear Viva Emptiness in its entirety.

ProgMetalFan · February 20th, 2003, 09:47 PM

Sounds good... like it better than "Evidence"

Wanderer · February 20th, 2003, 10:24 PM

Sound more METAL than evidence.....

Schism · February 21st, 2003, 12:34 AM

I am really loving this stuff, why oh why only 45 secs

Need it now!!!!!!!!

yourdeadgroom · February 21st, 2003, 12:49 AM

I think the vocals sound really good, and I like the heaviness.

Damn waiting sucks

ColdDarkNord · February 21st, 2003, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alucard
I really like the guitar effects that Anders uses on both songs.

Anders's point is a flanger for now? :spin:

the-lull · February 21st, 2003, 03:03 AM

Still this nu metal feeling , but all that I can say is that this track is very very very agressive Katatonia.
I was, like most of you a bit surprised at first by the whole atmosphere of the 2 samples, but I reallly love it.
What is surprising is that Anders disharmonic lead lines are almost absent in these samples. I really like the Tool harmonies in Jonas' vocals also...

I understand that some of you can be disappointed by this new approach, especially if you're a huge fan of the Brave Murder Day era (like I am!!!), but it has been the case for each release since Dicouraged Ones. Katatonia has always tried to improve his musical approach by incorporating their influences in their sound. They've lost some fans by doing it, got a lot of new ones on the other way. I personnaly feel that this album will be very odd at first, but it will be another masterpiece with time, probably their best one once again...

to cold dark nord: I think the effect on the verse is a tremolo, and that what you call flanger may be a delay with reverb on it...I'm not really an effect specialist anyway...

ChromeLife · February 21st, 2003, 01:42 PM

This stuff actually reminds me more of DO.. just sort of an updated version. Less technical than LFDGD... and a little more angry... wonderfulness

Hondo · February 22nd, 2003, 04:01 AM

Now that I have twice as good a feel of the album (still only 90 seconds' worth of course), I'm convinced. I'll be buying it as soon as humanly possible. Seems more metal than LFDGD. For those who say it sounds mainstream or nu metal or whatever, I do hear a little bit of it in various ways, but those elements aren't what I hate about all those bands. It's that they're fucking boring and corporate and all sound the same. Katatonia is still all here. I like that they changed their style somewhat instead of making Last Fair Deal 2 or copying something older.

DoReMi · February 22nd, 2003, 09:10 AM

I'm new to the band, and I think both samples are great. Hondo, I agree... I pick up on something slightly "nu-metal" in the mix, but quickly dismiss it... People are so quick to label something as nu-metal, and I have no wish to be included in such a group... Can't wait for the new album... LFDGD rocks too...

september · February 23rd, 2003, 07:00 AM

Sounds great.

ColdDarkNord · February 24th, 2003, 07:52 AM

Nu metal = nice production. Dan made a nice production, its why all think that that sound like nu stuff.

Wanderer · February 24th, 2003, 05:43 PM

there is begining to be no diffrence between katatonia and other bands you can hear a evidence or a criminals (i listened only 45 sec this means i criticise only one melody)
but you can not find another Quiet World,Deadhouse,Teargas,
Murder,Inside the fall etc.

Pajo · February 25th, 2003, 06:29 PM

Well I think that his vocals have developed very well. He kind-of sounds like maynard james keenan but with more heart. 'Criminals' was more impresisve than 'evidence'.

Ormir · February 25th, 2003, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wanderer
there is begining to be no diffrence between katatonia and other bands you can hear a evidence or a criminals (i listened only 45 sec this means i criticise only one melody)
but you can not find another Quiet World,Deadhouse,Teargas,
Murder,Inside the fall etc.

Heh, I prefer Evidence to all of those songs besides Murder and Teargas already.

Schism · February 26th, 2003, 01:06 AM

I have been listening to the first four tracks off the album for a couple of days now, and although I like the production I just think it is a simplified Katatonia with more emphasis on repetition and riffs it doesn't have the mood and sense of melancholy that adore from this band, no more judgements till I hear the rest though.

Cheers

Demonspell · February 26th, 2003, 09:27 AM

I agree Schism, the additional heaviness is of course welcome, but not if the emotional resonance they've excelled in creating in the past is sacrificed...

February 20th, 2003, 12:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
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February 20th, 2003, 12:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Moonshield Revenant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: UK Posts: 472	Hmmm! I think I preferred the 'Evidence' clip actually, but this does sound pretty good. It does seem a bit different though. I don't think I'll download anything else now, that's it. Next stop - the full album.

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February 20th, 2003, 07:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
yourdeadgroom Black Stone Wielder Join Date: May 2001 Location: New Zealand Posts: 6,719	I quite like it, though 45 seconds is too short to really say __________________ <asher7>Any ideas on how to get out of a rut, to get back on track again??? <clapton13>Move to Iraq and tattoo "I hate muslims" on your forehead.

February 20th, 2003, 09:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Alucard Admatha Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Annandale, NJ, USA Posts: 238	I personally like this sample more than Evidence. I didn't really like Evidence when I first heard it, but it's growing on me. Criminals, on the other hand, I liked right away. I really like the guitar effects that Anders uses on both songs. I thought the guitar effects sounded great on LFDGD and I'm glad they are used nicely on this album as well. The drums sound great too, as does the overall production. The only thing I'm little concerned with is the vocals. As other have pointed out they sound a little more mainstream. It doesn't quite sound like the same Jonas I know from the previous albums. But I'm not going to make any real judgements until I hear Viva Emptiness in its entirety. __________________ T.V. lies... Alucard Last edited by Alucard : February 20th, 2003 at 09:31 PM.

February 20th, 2003, 07:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lunatic_Fringe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Monongahela, PA Posts: 146	The whole song feels much better....

February 20th, 2003, 09:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
ProgMetalFan In the attic Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PITTSBURGH Posts: 4,634	Sounds good... like it better than "Evidence"

February 20th, 2003, 10:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Wanderer Decayed Smile Join Date: May 2001 Location: where sorrow never dies,Istanbul Posts: 792	Sound more METAL than evidence..... __________________ four numbers staring back at me displaying the mediocrity of my presence i am wasting my day watching them change the sun with it's blue sky outside shining down on all you happy people i am wasting my day waiting for rain need more methods to end each day to be happy by living this way

February 21st, 2003, 12:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Schism Evacuate, Assemble here.. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mittagong, NSW Australia Posts: 1,110	I am really loving this stuff, why oh why only 45 secs Need it now!!!!!!!!

February 21st, 2003, 12:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
yourdeadgroom Black Stone Wielder Join Date: May 2001 Location: New Zealand Posts: 6,719	I think the vocals sound really good, and I like the heaviness. Damn waiting sucks __________________ <asher7>Any ideas on how to get out of a rut, to get back on track again??? <clapton13>Move to Iraq and tattoo "I hate muslims" on your forehead.

February 21st, 2003, 03:03 AM	#12 (permalink)
the-lull discouraged one Join Date: May 2001 Location: France Posts: 331	Still this nu metal feeling , but all that I can say is that this track is very very very agressive Katatonia. I was, like most of you a bit surprised at first by the whole atmosphere of the 2 samples, but I reallly love it. What is surprising is that Anders disharmonic lead lines are almost absent in these samples. I really like the Tool harmonies in Jonas' vocals also... I understand that some of you can be disappointed by this new approach, especially if you're a huge fan of the Brave Murder Day era (like I am!!!), but it has been the case for each release since Dicouraged Ones. Katatonia has always tried to improve his musical approach by incorporating their influences in their sound. They've lost some fans by doing it, got a lot of new ones on the other way. I personnaly feel that this album will be very odd at first, but it will be another masterpiece with time, probably their best one once again... to cold dark nord: I think the effect on the verse is a tremolo, and that what you call flanger may be a delay with reverb on it...I'm not really an effect specialist anyway... __________________ -we are wasting our best years trying to become what we'll never be- http://www.thelull.fr.fm

February 21st, 2003, 01:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
ChromeLife askew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 1,846	This stuff actually reminds me more of DO.. just sort of an updated version. Less technical than LFDGD... and a little more angry... wonderfulness __________________ FalseTodd: And your face leaves a wide berth for ugly. ·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸¸.·'´)¸.·'´) "´¨`·.¸¸.PRINCESS.¸¸.·¨`" (¸.· '´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) ....!!

February 22nd, 2003, 04:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
Hondo ·.¸¸.teh.¸¸.· Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,128	Now that I have twice as good a feel of the album (still only 90 seconds' worth of course), I'm convinced. I'll be buying it as soon as humanly possible. Seems more metal than LFDGD. For those who say it sounds mainstream or nu metal or whatever, I do hear a little bit of it in various ways, but those elements aren't what I hate about all those bands. It's that they're fucking boring and corporate and all sound the same. Katatonia is still all here. I like that they changed their style somewhat instead of making Last Fair Deal 2 or copying something older.

February 22nd, 2003, 09:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
DoReMi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brussels/ Belgium Posts: 538	I'm new to the band, and I think both samples are great. Hondo, I agree... I pick up on something slightly "nu-metal" in the mix, but quickly dismiss it... People are so quick to label something as nu-metal, and I have no wish to be included in such a group... Can't wait for the new album... LFDGD rocks too... __________________ Nothing to see here...

February 23rd, 2003, 07:00 AM	#16 (permalink)
september Angstridden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 7	Sounds great.

February 24th, 2003, 07:52 AM	#17 (permalink)
ColdDarkNord www.vicrecords.com Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kralupy nad Vltavou, Czech Posts: 3,116	Nu metal = nice production. Dan made a nice production, its why all think that that sound like nu stuff. __________________ ___ "Ať si bylo, jak si bylo, přece jaksi bylo. Ještě nikdy nebylo, aby jaksi nebylo."(с)Jaroslav Hašek

February 24th, 2003, 05:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
Wanderer Decayed Smile Join Date: May 2001 Location: where sorrow never dies,Istanbul Posts: 792	there is begining to be no diffrence between katatonia and other bands you can hear a evidence or a criminals (i listened only 45 sec this means i criticise only one melody) but you can not find another Quiet World,Deadhouse,Teargas, Murder,Inside the fall etc. __________________ four numbers staring back at me displaying the mediocrity of my presence i am wasting my day watching them change the sun with it's blue sky outside shining down on all you happy people i am wasting my day waiting for rain need more methods to end each day to be happy by living this way

February 25th, 2003, 06:29 PM	#19 (permalink)
Pajo Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	Well I think that his vocals have developed very well. He kind-of sounds like maynard james keenan but with more heart. 'Criminals' was more impresisve than 'evidence'.

February 26th, 2003, 01:06 AM	#21 (permalink)
Schism Evacuate, Assemble here.. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mittagong, NSW Australia Posts: 1,110	I have been listening to the first four tracks off the album for a couple of days now, and although I like the production I just think it is a simplified Katatonia with more emphasis on repetition and riffs it doesn't have the mood and sense of melancholy that adore from this band, no more judgements till I hear the rest though. Cheers

February 26th, 2003, 09:27 AM	#22 (permalink)
Demonspell cheating the polygraph Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: dead between the walls Posts: 15,354	I agree Schism, the additional heaviness is of course welcome, but not if the emotional resonance they've excelled in creating in the past is sacrificed... __________________ "There is a concern that the Internet could be used to commit crimes and that advanced encryption could disguise such activity. However, we do not provide the government with phone jacks outside our homes for unlimited wiretaps. Why, then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will and in real time to our communications across the Web?"" -- JOHN ASHCROFT, as a U.S. senator, from his Aug. 12, 1997 op-ed piece in the Washington Times, "Welcoming Big Brother."