A Metal History lesson

Stu · September 5th, 2003, 06:41 PM

Hey Guys -

Over the last few weeks I have discovered a few bands that I have totally forgotten about and no further listen, I have realised what a huge impact they have had on the metal scene and the recent Euro power metal explosion.

If you haven't heard these bands I highly reccomend getting a hold of these releases....

Vicious Rumours - Welcome to the ball.

US Power thrash with a Halford/Dio (Style) vocalist, awesome shredding and great production for it's time.

Racer X - Street lethal -

PAUL GILBERT!... when he had shit to prove, shred for days, awesome drumming from Scott travis and the awesome and totally underrated Vocals from Jeff Martin. Great songs too

These are only two but I am sure there is more from the late 80's that were eaten up by grunge...
Damn you Cobain!

Stu

Ralphe · September 5th, 2003, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

Hey Guys -

Racer X - Street lethal -

PAUL GILBERT!... when he had shit to prove, shred for days, awesome drumming from Scott travis and the awesome and totally underrated Vocals from Jeff Martin. Great songs too

Stu

Hey, i have this on Vinyl.might have to go home and listen to it.haven't played it for ages.(havn't played any vinyl for a long time except for Mortal Sin-Mayhemic Destruction!!!!)

Haven't heard of the other band/album you mentioned but i might try and track down a copy i think

Shadow298 · September 6th, 2003, 02:43 AM

Try Celtic Frost.
Anyone remember Celtic Frost?
A premire metal band from the 80's that completely disappeared, right around the time grunge came into fashion, oddly enough.
Anyone know where I's can score the better Celtic Frost albums and more importantly, anyone know the names of the better Celtic Frost albums. For the life of I, I's can find any anywhere I's look and, for some reason, it's really shitting I off.
Oh, well.
Any help?
Peace
The Pimp NeonBlack

JACKO · September 6th, 2003, 04:46 AM

they have "Morbid Tales" by Celtic Frost at Utopia, i was just there today
its supposed to be one of their better albums
they had i think 3 other albums by CF too
i was considering buying one myself

KoichCPA · September 6th, 2003, 09:03 AM

I'm fairly sure I saw Celtic Frost albums last time I was at JB.

Shadow298 · September 7th, 2003, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JACKO

they have "Morbid Tales" by Celtic Frost at Utopia, i was just there today

Doesn't quite help, since I's live in Canberra and all. But at least I's knows somewhere in Sydney should have a couple of Morbid Tales next time I's visits.

Now. . . If only I's actually had the money to buy it.

Shadow298 · September 7th, 2003, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Koichi

I'm fairly sure I saw Celtic Frost albums last time I was at JB.

Hhmmm. . .
I's always forget to check JB.
Maybe that's because I's hates it so much.
Oh, well.
Anything to get a good Celtic Frost album (within reason that is).

Goreripper · September 7th, 2003, 05:52 AM

Celtic Frost went to the wall when they went from being a black/thrash/death band to a hair band. "Cold Lake"? What were they thinking?

JACKO · September 7th, 2003, 09:05 AM

is there earlier stuff as legendary as its supposedly made out to be?
im embarressed to say ive never even heard CF, but i guess thats because their "better"(well, i wouldnt know, i havent heard for myself) was all released before i was alive

meh

Natasha · September 8th, 2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

Vicious Rumours

Racer X

Stu

Good call, Stu!
Vicious Rumours played Wacken last year and although I didn't watch them, I've scored some of their live footage. Definitely a band I want to check out more.

and the guitarist made this awesome guitar for Wacken this year www.geocities.com/avantasiavixen/woa2003.html I wanted it!

Technical Difficulties by Racer X is definitely a favourite of mine, but I have to admit, I haven't heard all of their albums.

Funny thing about Celtic Frost, after hearing SO much about them and their cult status, I borrowed a couple of albums and they did nothing for me...although I'd be interested in reading Morbid Tales (?). it might open up my mind to their music as Nobody Gets Out of Here Alive did for me with The Doors.

Trixxi Trash · September 14th, 2003, 09:48 AM

Ahhhh sooo much great stuff in the late '80s and early '90s that came out and the bands got nowhere because they were rolled under the wheels of grunge unfortunately.

Damn you Cobain indeed

Here are some old bands I will recommend that had a killer sound and I think stood out and should have been bigger:

Spread Eagle, EZO, Treat, Saints & Sinners, Keel, Firehouse, Rhett Forrester, Lee Aaron, Slave Raider, Roxx Gang, TNT.

All these bands rock as long as you don't have anything against hair metal or melodic hard rock stuff. They all either have great chops (esp. TNT, Firehouse and Saints & Sinners), or a killer attitude and ultra-high energy, heavy sound, or awesome awesome songwriting that's REALLY catchy!

Shadow298 · September 14th, 2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Trooper

Ahhhh sooo much great stuff in the late '80s and early '90s that came out and the bands got nowhere because they were rolled under the wheels of grunge unfortunately.

Damn you Cobain indeed

Actually, most metal was killed off in the early 90's by Guns & Roses and Warrant and their fucking song Cherry Pie (which put I off metal for many years post).
Stuff like that was what made it possible for the market to come under the influence of grunge, becuase they need something harsh, hard and aggressive that also had commerical appear. Hence grunge filling the void for a time.
But look on the bright side with grunge. Whilst that stuff (some good, some bad -all depending on taste and preference) filled the void in places like North America and Australia, it also allowed under ground metal in Europe to spread, eventually giving us bands such as Emperor, Dark Throne, In Flames, Dimmu Borga, Bathor, etc.
So, therefore grunge can't be viewed as have an entirely negative effect on metal. And how many of you young metalheads turned to metal either because of an interest in early grunge or a total hatred for it?
Just think 'bout it.
Peace
The Pimp NeonBlack

Frosticle · September 14th, 2003, 10:37 PM

Who is this Bathor??? of wich you speak I think grunge did'nt take over from metal I think it filled a void when no new bands came around and bands like Darkthrone, Bathory, Deicide and cannibal corpse were to uncommercial to push into the market That bands like Motley crue and G'n'R's had fostered

Shadow298 · September 14th, 2003, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosticle

Who is this Bathor??? of wich you speak I think grunge did'nt take over from metal I think it filled a void when no new bands came around and bands like Darkthrone, Bathory, Deicide and cannibal corpse were to uncommercial to push into the market That bands like Motley crue and G'n'R's had fostered

That was meant to be BATHORY but the fucking reply screen is fucked and I's didn't notice that the Y was missing.
And yes, Poodle, that was what I's was saying. That during the Reign Of Grunge, Underground European metal was once again given a chance to expand and experiment without the taint of soft commerical metal that was coming out of the Old Country at the time (like Scorpians and so forth).
So face it, without grunge and ultra-wimpy Cock Rock, we may not have had the same brutallity in metal that we have today. Same argument can be made of Nu-metal and the ammount of metalheads came to the TRUE metal because of their initial exposure to Nu-metal and their lusting for some better and more original.

Trixxi Trash · September 14th, 2003, 11:55 PM

Personally I'd prefer metal without the brutality and with more melody, flash, excitement and rock & roll but that's just me.

And grunge had no effect on my getting into metal. I just kinda ignored the whole thing. And the thing that pisses me off about what grunge did is that it made hard rock and metal look like a joke to most people.

Most people I know who aren't into metal think anything with a big chorus, guitar solos, high pitched vocals, and fun attitude is "cheesy" whether it be hair metal, heavy metal, power metal, etc. If it isn't all monotone, underproduced, shit, boring and depressing then it must be cheesy. You can thank grunge for that. I don't think it had any positive effect at all. I think nearly EVERY metal band outside of the European scene was negatively affected ar least in some small way by grunge happening.

KellyStar · September 15th, 2003, 01:52 AM

Such fond memories of a simnpler time, just been dragging out the ol' LP's and cassettes for a look-see.

Bonfire
Tesla
Dio
Michael Schenker
Lita Ford!
White Lion
Whitesnake
WASP!!!!
Cinderella
Queensryche
Aussie boys Heaven (where IS Bradford Kelly these days)
Hericane Alice
Danger Danger (Andy Timmons one helluva player)

*this is probably getting ugly, maybe I should stop here*
(I will go on at a later date if requested to do so, be it at the peril of my self-perceived cred. However, this will require me opening iup the "cupboard of eighties" and fishing past my badged-up denim jackets and great coats to the pile of "classics" buried next to my snake skin boots with the chains on)

As for the Warrants and Poisons of the era. Why we are all probably being more honest than we would be about this topic elsewhere, there were some pretty swell licks than came from those cats, I'll give them that.

It was real hard to define metal back then too. Anyone old enough remember when Allanah Myles was being touted as heavy metal on some compliations!! Rememeber the acts that were landing on the Masters Of Metal compilations, bands like Choirboys and Loverboy.

Shit Stu, I wish you hadn't started this thread man

KellyStar · September 15th, 2003, 01:56 AM

Hey Stu, did you spot what sort of axe that is that Ira Black has modded in the photos of Nats? ESP LTD EX-351. If I 've heard correctly you might be gettin' you one fo them soon

Trixxi Trash · September 15th, 2003, 02:23 AM

Hey KellyStar you've got awesome taste! Great bands on that list! I'm wearing my Cinderella t-shirt at the moment haha!

Natasha · September 15th, 2003, 03:13 AM

I also acknowledge Kellystar's taste

And, Kellystar, Ira Black said he made it, I took it to mean, the whole guitar rather than just the decoration *shrug*

KellyStar · September 15th, 2003, 04:00 AM

Man, have I come to the right place to share my toons!

Lemesee, how's about Bang Tango, Tota Tora, Trixter, Winger, Danzig, The Cult, HORSEHEAD!, Damn Yankees, Jackyl, Type O, Quiet Riot.

Gotta go, I'll be back to finish what I started

Stu · September 15th, 2003, 06:56 AM

Well man, Andy Fucking Timmons!

Sooooo underrated - one if my fave players. The perfect blend of shred and taste.

haha, man - I talk to you every week bro - never knew you were into your metal like this - very impressive

Trixxi Trash · September 15th, 2003, 09:13 AM

Danger Danger

I love their first 2 albums!

KellyStar · September 15th, 2003, 09:52 AM

Stu, mate, living down here one tends to supress ones urge to shoot the shit re: the Eighties. Not enough of us around here to remenisce on the ol' days as there seems to be up your way.

I'm gonna have to get me a decent cassette/turntable combo if I keep thikin' oof all these old gems out. First thing I'd do is drag out the whole Twisted Sister catalogue on cassette

BTW, anyone here been following Sevendust since Jay Jay took them under his wing a few years back?

So a few more that are springing to mind include:

*Fastway (was that "Trick or Treat" the movie that the soundtrack was for? And was it Eddie "'Fast Fingers" Clarke on the geetar?)
*Overkill
*Killer Dwarfs
*RATT (R.I.P. Robbin Crosby)
*Kix
*Europe
*Night Ranger
*Kings Of The Sun (go Aussie)
*Venom
*King Diamond
*XYZ (gotta soft spot for that "After The Rain" ballad, may as well say it now I'm being open an' all)
*Bullet Boys
*Uriah Heep
*Metal Church
*Dangerous Toys
*Faster Pussycat (again, a soft spot here for the o' harmonica toon "House of Pain")
*Loudness
*D.A.D.
*Leatherwolf
*Bengal Tigers
*Saraya

God, where is this shit coming from! Wow, I'm spent, tata for now.

Lord Tim · September 15th, 2003, 10:03 AM

LEATHERWOLF!!!!!

Trixxi Trash · September 15th, 2003, 10:38 AM

Awesome list! KILLER DWARFS! BULLETBOYS! KING DIAMOND! FASTWAY! LOUDNESS!

I had Kings Of The Sun's debut but I didn't like it. Candy Harlots kicked their ass!! Five Wicked Ways is much better than Kings Of The Sun's debut I think... but the Candy Harlots demo "The Tease Tapes" is even better.

Roxus were EASILY the best of the Aussie bands though!!!

BOOOOODY HEAAAAT! I WANNA HAVE YOU RIGHT NEXT TO MEEEE.. I WANNA FEEL IT LIKE IT USED TO BEEEEEEEE...

September 5th, 2003, 06:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stu www.paindivision.com Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,011	A Metal History lesson Hey Guys - Over the last few weeks I have discovered a few bands that I have totally forgotten about and no further listen, I have realised what a huge impact they have had on the metal scene and the recent Euro power metal explosion. If you haven't heard these bands I highly reccomend getting a hold of these releases.... Vicious Rumours - Welcome to the ball. US Power thrash with a Halford/Dio (Style) vocalist, awesome shredding and great production for it's time. Racer X - Street lethal - PAUL GILBERT!... when he had shit to prove, shred for days, awesome drumming from Scott travis and the awesome and totally underrated Vocals from Jeff Martin. Great songs too These are only two but I am sure there is more from the late 80's that were eaten up by grunge... Damn you Cobain! Stu __________________ Stu proudly uses and abuses: ESP GUITARS! Randall Amplification Digitech Effects DSL Straps http://www.empiresofeden.com www.myspace.com/paindivision Recent National ESP clinic info:- http://www.cmi.com.au/random_news.html#shred www.myspace.com/stumarshall www.dslstraps.com.au The finest guitar straps in the world

September 6th, 2003, 02:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
Shadow298 Prince of Duckness Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Without the Darkness Posts: 8,658	Try Celtic Frost. Anyone remember Celtic Frost? A premire metal band from the 80's that completely disappeared, right around the time grunge came into fashion, oddly enough. Anyone know where I's can score the better Celtic Frost albums and more importantly, anyone know the names of the better Celtic Frost albums. For the life of I, I's can find any anywhere I's look and, for some reason, it's really shitting I off. Oh, well. Any help? Peace The Pimp NeonBlack __________________ If "cleanliness is next to Godliness" then pass me my pitchfolk and horns.

September 7th, 2003, 05:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Goreripper Metal as fuck Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Blue Mountains, Australia Posts: 17,584	Celtic Frost went to the wall when they went from being a black/thrash/death band to a hair band. "Cold Lake"? What were they thinking? __________________ http://www.ausmetalguide.com - The Australian Metal Guide http://soundcellar.blogspot.com - The Sound Cellar: A New Music Review Every Day! http://myspace.com/goreripper "Only when the last tree has been felled, when the last river has been poisoned and when the last fish has been caught, shall we realise that we can't eat money."

September 14th, 2003, 09:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
Trixxi Trash Ratt 'n Roll Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sin Kilda, Melbourne, AU Posts: 9,509	Ahhhh sooo much great stuff in the late '80s and early '90s that came out and the bands got nowhere because they were rolled under the wheels of grunge unfortunately. Damn you Cobain indeed Here are some old bands I will recommend that had a killer sound and I think stood out and should have been bigger: Spread Eagle, EZO, Treat, Saints & Sinners, Keel, Firehouse, Rhett Forrester, Lee Aaron, Slave Raider, Roxx Gang, TNT. All these bands rock as long as you don't have anything against hair metal or melodic hard rock stuff. They all either have great chops (esp. TNT, Firehouse and Saints & Sinners), or a killer attitude and ultra-high energy, heavy sound, or awesome awesome songwriting that's REALLY catchy! __________________ http://www.thedeadthings.com http://www.myspace.com/trixxitrash "I warned you not to go out tonight..."

September 14th, 2003, 10:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Frosticle Grimmity Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A big smoking hole in the ground called Canberra Posts: 98	Who is this Bathor??? of wich you speak I think grunge did'nt take over from metal I think it filled a void when no new bands came around and bands like Darkthrone, Bathory, Deicide and cannibal corpse were to uncommercial to push into the market That bands like Motley crue and G'n'R's had fostered __________________ There are only two types of people that were Hawaiin shirts queers and big fat party animals and Bart doesn't look like a big fat party animal. The greatest man in the world and my personal hero: Homer Simpson

September 6th, 2003, 04:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
JACKO Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 226	they have "Morbid Tales" by Celtic Frost at Utopia, i was just there today its supposed to be one of their better albums they had i think 3 other albums by CF too i was considering buying one myself

September 6th, 2003, 09:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
KoichCPA Banned Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra,Australia Posts: 14,319	I'm fairly sure I saw Celtic Frost albums last time I was at JB.

September 7th, 2003, 09:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
JACKO Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 226	is there earlier stuff as legendary as its supposedly made out to be? im embarressed to say ive never even heard CF, but i guess thats because their "better"(well, i wouldnt know, i havent heard for myself) was all released before i was alive meh

September 14th, 2003, 11:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
Trixxi Trash Ratt 'n Roll Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sin Kilda, Melbourne, AU Posts: 9,509	Personally I'd prefer metal without the brutality and with more melody, flash, excitement and rock & roll but that's just me. And grunge had no effect on my getting into metal. I just kinda ignored the whole thing. And the thing that pisses me off about what grunge did is that it made hard rock and metal look like a joke to most people. Most people I know who aren't into metal think anything with a big chorus, guitar solos, high pitched vocals, and fun attitude is "cheesy" whether it be hair metal, heavy metal, power metal, etc. If it isn't all monotone, underproduced, shit, boring and depressing then it must be cheesy. You can thank grunge for that. I don't think it had any positive effect at all. I think nearly EVERY metal band outside of the European scene was negatively affected ar least in some small way by grunge happening. __________________ http://www.thedeadthings.com http://www.myspace.com/trixxitrash "I warned you not to go out tonight..."

September 15th, 2003, 01:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
KellyStar www.bmusic.com.au Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 369	Ahh, the Eighties Such fond memories of a simnpler time, just been dragging out the ol' LP's and cassettes for a look-see. Bonfire Tesla Dio Michael Schenker Lita Ford! White Lion Whitesnake WASP!!!! Cinderella Queensryche Aussie boys Heaven (where IS Bradford Kelly these days) Hericane Alice Danger Danger (Andy Timmons one helluva player) this is probably getting ugly, maybe I should stop here (I will go on at a later date if requested to do so, be it at the peril of my self-perceived cred. However, this will require me opening iup the "cupboard of eighties" and fishing past my badged-up denim jackets and great coats to the pile of "classics" buried next to my snake skin boots with the chains on) As for the Warrants and Poisons of the era. Why we are all probably being more honest than we would be about this topic elsewhere, there were some pretty swell licks than came from those cats, I'll give them that. It was real hard to define metal back then too. Anyone old enough remember when Allanah Myles was being touted as heavy metal on some compliations!! Rememeber the acts that were landing on the Masters Of Metal compilations, bands like Choirboys and Loverboy. Shit Stu, I wish you hadn't started this thread man

September 15th, 2003, 01:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
KellyStar www.bmusic.com.au Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 369	Ira Black's axe - You spot it Stu? Hey Stu, did you spot what sort of axe that is that Ira Black has modded in the photos of Nats? ESP LTD EX-351. If I 've heard correctly you might be gettin' you one fo them soon

September 15th, 2003, 02:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
Trixxi Trash Ratt 'n Roll Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sin Kilda, Melbourne, AU Posts: 9,509	Hey KellyStar you've got awesome taste! Great bands on that list! I'm wearing my Cinderella t-shirt at the moment haha! __________________ http://www.thedeadthings.com http://www.myspace.com/trixxitrash "I warned you not to go out tonight..."

September 15th, 2003, 03:13 AM	#19 (permalink)
Natasha Kiss me, I'm Metal! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,482	I also acknowledge Kellystar's taste And, Kellystar, Ira Black said he made it, I took it to mean, the whole guitar rather than just the decoration shrug __________________ Now online Gamma Ray in Oz ................................................. updated 10 Nov 06..............................................WACKEN 2007

September 15th, 2003, 04:00 AM	#20 (permalink)
KellyStar www.bmusic.com.au Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 369	Taste Man, have I come to the right place to share my toons! Lemesee, how's about Bang Tango, Tota Tora, Trixter, Winger, Danzig, The Cult, HORSEHEAD!, Damn Yankees, Jackyl, Type O, Quiet Riot. Gotta go, I'll be back to finish what I started

September 15th, 2003, 06:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
Stu www.paindivision.com Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,011	Well man, Andy Fucking Timmons! Sooooo underrated - one if my fave players. The perfect blend of shred and taste. haha, man - I talk to you every week bro - never knew you were into your metal like this - very impressive __________________ Stu proudly uses and abuses: ESP GUITARS! Randall Amplification Digitech Effects DSL Straps http://www.empiresofeden.com www.myspace.com/paindivision Recent National ESP clinic info:- http://www.cmi.com.au/random_news.html#shred www.myspace.com/stumarshall www.dslstraps.com.au The finest guitar straps in the world

September 15th, 2003, 09:13 AM	#22 (permalink)
Trixxi Trash Ratt 'n Roll Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sin Kilda, Melbourne, AU Posts: 9,509	Danger Danger I love their first 2 albums! __________________ http://www.thedeadthings.com http://www.myspace.com/trixxitrash "I warned you not to go out tonight..."

September 15th, 2003, 09:52 AM	#23 (permalink)
KellyStar www.bmusic.com.au Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 369	Aint exactly groovy to dig 80's down here Stu, mate, living down here one tends to supress ones urge to shoot the shit re: the Eighties. Not enough of us around here to remenisce on the ol' days as there seems to be up your way. I'm gonna have to get me a decent cassette/turntable combo if I keep thikin' oof all these old gems out. First thing I'd do is drag out the whole Twisted Sister catalogue on cassette BTW, anyone here been following Sevendust since Jay Jay took them under his wing a few years back? So a few more that are springing to mind include: Fastway (was that "Trick or Treat" the movie that the soundtrack was for? And was it Eddie "'Fast Fingers" Clarke on the geetar?) Overkill Killer Dwarfs RATT (R.I.P. Robbin Crosby) Kix Europe Night Ranger Kings Of The Sun (go Aussie) Venom King Diamond XYZ (gotta soft spot for that "After The Rain" ballad, may as well say it now I'm being open an' all) Bullet Boys Uriah Heep Metal Church Dangerous Toys Faster Pussycat (again, a soft spot here for the o' harmonica toon "House of Pain") Loudness D.A.D. Leatherwolf Bengal Tigers *Saraya God, where is this shit coming from! Wow, I'm spent, tata for now.

September 15th, 2003, 10:03 AM	#24 (permalink)
Lord Tim Set In Stone Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wollongong, Australia Posts: 16,082	LEATHERWOLF!!!!! __________________ LORD: website . UM forum . MySpace NEW ALBUM "SET IN STONE" - OUT NOW IN AUS, OUT OCTOBER IN JAPAN! Got the hunger but we're wanting more Forever reaching higher Remember what we're fighting for The writing on the wall is Set In Stone

September 15th, 2003, 10:38 AM	#25 (permalink)
Trixxi Trash Ratt 'n Roll Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sin Kilda, Melbourne, AU Posts: 9,509	Awesome list! KILLER DWARFS! BULLETBOYS! KING DIAMOND! FASTWAY! LOUDNESS! I had Kings Of The Sun's debut but I didn't like it. Candy Harlots kicked their ass!! Five Wicked Ways is much better than Kings Of The Sun's debut I think... but the Candy Harlots demo "The Tease Tapes" is even better. Roxus were EASILY the best of the Aussie bands though!!! BOOOOODY HEAAAAT! I WANNA HAVE YOU RIGHT NEXT TO MEEEE.. I WANNA FEEL IT LIKE IT USED TO BEEEEEEEE... __________________ http://www.thedeadthings.com http://www.myspace.com/trixxitrash "I warned you not to go out tonight..."