Techniques / theory discussion - Page 4

Lord Tim · March 8th, 2006, 10:47 AM

This is definitely true!

Almost anyone can sing, to a degree...

StephenSLR · March 8th, 2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nam Taf

The theory is not an issue, as I can pick that back up and consult my old piano teacher for help when needed,

The theory is not an issue for many musicians, you use your ears not your eyes for music.

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Originally Posted by Nam Taf

I have more or less ruled out guitar, as far as playing metal goes, since it requires a) fast speed, and b) four fretting fingers, which impacts on me, since my little pinky finger seems to lock itself up

Many blues guitarists don't use their pinky. You can play slower Metal too.

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Originally Posted by Nam Taf

My question is thus: What kind of things, other than just sheer repetitive practice, can I do to pick up agility in my right hand?

I guess you could get yourself the 'typequick' program and learn to touch type, this will see you using all your fingers fluently - I'm sure your fine motor skills will improve plus if you chat a bit on the net it is invaluable - no need to hunt and peck and you basically never have to look at the keyboard again. It is also surprisingly easy, an hour a day will have you learning the keyboard in a week or so then it is a matter of building speed.

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Nebulous · March 8th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Awsome to see this thread get 4 pages in, and not locked yet.

Keep it up people!

Lord Tim · March 9th, 2006, 12:15 AM

I think it's because there's genuine help and advice being offered rather than a pissing contest or anyone flaming someone else because they disagree.

Great to see.

Wenda · March 9th, 2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by StephenSLR

you use your ears not your eyes for music

Not true, it depends what sort of musician you're talking about - reading sheet music is very important to some of us...

StephenSLR · March 9th, 2006, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Wenda

Not true, it depends what sort of musician you're talking about - reading sheet music is very important to some of us...

You got me there smarty!

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StephenSLR · March 9th, 2006, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Wenda

Not true, it depends what sort of musician you're talking about - reading sheet music is very important to some of us...

You got me there smarty!

In that situation you wouldn't have to know any theory, you just read what is on the page right?

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Wenda · March 9th, 2006, 05:34 AM

Depends what you call 'theory' - I'd definitely call being able to understand all the various parts of a piece of sheet music theory... what's different about reading a bass clef as opposed to a treble or alto clef? If it said 'allegro ma non troppo', what does that mean? Or 'poco a poco accelerando'? What do these < > ^ . symbols denote when they're paired with a note? What's an accidental? Knowing this stuff is all theory - not the same as modal theory etc, but it's still theoretical knowledge you need if you're playing an instrument that relies on sheet music.

Troy\m/ · March 9th, 2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wenda

Depends what you call 'theory' - I'd definitely call being able to understand all the various parts of a piece of sheet music theory... what's different about reading a bass clef as opposed to a treble or alto clef? If it said 'allegro ma non troppo', what does that mean? Or 'poco a poco accelerando'? What do these < > ^ . symbols denote when they're paired with a note? What's an accidental? Knowing this stuff is all theory - not the same as modal theory etc, but it's still theoretical knowledge you need if you're playing an instrument that relies on sheet music.

+1. My thoughts exactly. w00t for classical music.

Keeper of the Seven Cheese · March 9th, 2006, 06:53 AM

EDIT: This post is in relation to this thread: Questions for LT

Ok I will try and give a rough description of the way to sing rough properly and I am by all means not great at this.

This is the way similar to what is taught in Melissa Cross' Zen of Screaming.

First of all you will need to learn how to do the power push which I previously mentioned. This will get your diaphragm into it for support which is what you need to not tear your throat to shreds. This push is achieved by pushing down with your ass like you would if you went to the toilet. You must also make sure your stomach is out (for asthetic purposes loose any beer gut

) as this assists with the use of the diaphragm. Sometimes the diaphragm can raise up behind the ribcage due to bad posture so I reccomend loosening it, a good way for doing this is to use the heal of your palm all along the ribs and push and slide down to bring the diaphragm into its natural position (solar plexis)

Ok what people must understand is that most growlers who are untrained create the harsh sound in their throat (pharynx) which can be very abrasive and detrimental to your vocal health as it is pretty much ripping up soft tissue, straining the cords and just being rough. What you need to do is shift this sound to what is called your soft pallette. If you yawn you will feel this part of your mouth rise its the top bit at the back of your roof of your mouth which is soft. This is the area you want to focus the harshness too. Now this is quite hard to do and there are a few ways to work on this.

To get the sound:

The sound you will try and get is created by mixing a gargle (practice gargling water and then try without the water) and Vocal Fry. Have you ever woken up in the morning and gone ahhhhh (really croaky) it's that bit right at the bottom of your range where you can hear it really crackly. You want to combine this sound and a gargle and target this at the soft pallette.

An exercising for building this is similar to what Jim Gillette teaches on his video for developing high screams. To develop a clean one you must get an "EEEE" sound in falsetto starting quiet and building up the volume till you get a very resonant FALSETTO tone make sure you don't transcend into full voice. To get a rough sound, work on getting an "AHHH" sound really quietly and getting louder whilst remaining in falsetto and as it gets louder try and add the gargle and fry feeling to the soft pallette. I think it takes alot of work.

Make sure you are very hydrated with water and you get plenty of rest. And really try and warm up. I know some guys don't but it just will affect longevity in most cases. Screams dehydrate you alot no matter whether they are clean or rough and the vocal cords and throat are one of the last places to get rehydration after drinking water.

Of course their are exceptions to the rules of screamers. One such example of a really gravelly sounding guy is Brian Johnson (ACDC), he screams from the pharynx something fierce yet he can still do it.

So remember:
Stay refreshed
Use the power push
Develop your rough tone to the soft pallette
Kick some ass
Stay Metal \m/

Hope this helps a bit

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Wenda Lady LORD Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a windowless void Posts: 1,917	Depends what you call 'theory' - I'd definitely call being able to understand all the various parts of a piece of sheet music theory... what's different about reading a bass clef as opposed to a treble or alto clef? If it said 'allegro ma non troppo', what does that mean? Or 'poco a poco accelerando'? What do these < > ^ . symbols denote when they're paired with a note? What's an accidental? Knowing this stuff is all theory - not the same as modal theory etc, but it's still theoretical knowledge you need if you're playing an instrument that relies on sheet music. __________________ -- Karyn Karyn's MySpace ... Karyn's blog And the Book says, He made us all to be just like Him... so if we're dumb, then God is dumb. And maybe, even a little ugly on the side. -- Frank Zappa, Dumb All Over

March 9th, 2006, 06:53 AM	#85 (permalink)
Keeper of the Seven Cheese Douglas The Dairy Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 5,233	EDIT: This post is in relation to this thread: Questions for LT Ok I will try and give a rough description of the way to sing rough properly and I am by all means not great at this. This is the way similar to what is taught in Melissa Cross' Zen of Screaming. First of all you will need to learn how to do the power push which I previously mentioned. This will get your diaphragm into it for support which is what you need to not tear your throat to shreds. This push is achieved by pushing down with your ass like you would if you went to the toilet. You must also make sure your stomach is out (for asthetic purposes loose any beer gut ) as this assists with the use of the diaphragm. Sometimes the diaphragm can raise up behind the ribcage due to bad posture so I reccomend loosening it, a good way for doing this is to use the heal of your palm all along the ribs and push and slide down to bring the diaphragm into its natural position (solar plexis) Ok what people must understand is that most growlers who are untrained create the harsh sound in their throat (pharynx) which can be very abrasive and detrimental to your vocal health as it is pretty much ripping up soft tissue, straining the cords and just being rough. What you need to do is shift this sound to what is called your soft pallette. If you yawn you will feel this part of your mouth rise its the top bit at the back of your roof of your mouth which is soft. This is the area you want to focus the harshness too. Now this is quite hard to do and there are a few ways to work on this. To get the sound: The sound you will try and get is created by mixing a gargle (practice gargling water and then try without the water) and Vocal Fry. Have you ever woken up in the morning and gone ahhhhh (really croaky) it's that bit right at the bottom of your range where you can hear it really crackly. You want to combine this sound and a gargle and target this at the soft pallette. An exercising for building this is similar to what Jim Gillette teaches on his video for developing high screams. To develop a clean one you must get an "EEEE" sound in falsetto starting quiet and building up the volume till you get a very resonant FALSETTO tone make sure you don't transcend into full voice. To get a rough sound, work on getting an "AHHH" sound really quietly and getting louder whilst remaining in falsetto and as it gets louder try and add the gargle and fry feeling to the soft pallette. I think it takes alot of work. Make sure you are very hydrated with water and you get plenty of rest. And really try and warm up. I know some guys don't but it just will affect longevity in most cases. Screams dehydrate you alot no matter whether they are clean or rough and the vocal cords and throat are one of the last places to get rehydration after drinking water. Of course their are exceptions to the rules of screamers. One such example of a really gravelly sounding guy is Brian Johnson (ACDC), he screams from the pharynx something fierce yet he can still do it. So remember: Stay refreshed Use the power push Develop your rough tone to the soft pallette Kick some ass Stay Metal \m/ Hope this helps a bit Last edited by Lord Tim : March 9th, 2006 at 07:24 AM.