Computer questions - Page 65

Celestial-Todd · September 4th, 2008, 04:05 AM

Hmmm... that makes me think, I've never seen anyone bother to overclock a mac either. Probably due to the very "closed" nature of it's hardware/software

What exactly where you planning on using the 8-core (I'm assuming a Mac Pro) machine for? I did some calculations before, you could build 4 quad-core machines, each running 8gb of ram for the same price, if not cheaper!

cro4eva · September 4th, 2008, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Celestial-Todd

Hmmm... that makes me think, I've never seen anyone bother to overclock a mac either. Probably due to the very "closed" nature of it's hardware/software

What exactly where you planning on using the 8-core (I'm assuming a Mac Pro) machine for? I did some calculations before, you could build 4 quad-core machines, each running 8gb of ram for the same price, if not cheaper!

It is mainly for Orchestration with samples. I know I can get a PC heaps cheaper for the same specs, but I don't want to go back to them.

I am going to go get the iMac now, its a 24" with 3.06 GHz dual core, 4gb ram, 500 gb HD and the Geforce card with 512 MB (which I don't really need) It is $3065, which is expensive for those specs but much cheaper than the Mac Pro, I will save up for that later.

Was just asking about the difference in the Quad cores becuase I could get a MAc Pro standard with no screen for $3600, and then build it up over time, but it doesn't seem worth it.

bsercombe · September 4th, 2008, 07:24 AM

Yeppers- buy the best machine you can afford but back from the bleeding edge so you're not paying a useless premium for the latest hardware. Generally, don't bother to upgrade bits'n' pieces unless they break- you're better off saving those dollars for the next machine. Overclocking is fun, but I think that in general unless you already have the gear for advanced cooling you don't want to push the machine much- and the gear for cooling can cost as much as the more expensive (PC) model anyway (though not 2 grand I'm sure!!)

pipsqeek · September 4th, 2008, 08:29 PM

I personally wouldn't bother overclocking a mac. The closed nature has nothing to do with it, and that's an old school fact that went away with the dodo many years ago. Mac's have had generic hardware in them for the last 15 years, from HDD's, RAM, Optical drives. The only real issues were motherboards and CPU's because Foxconn wouldn't exactly sell you an Apple motherboard and Motorola wouldn't make their CPU's available off the shelf for consumers. But that didn't stop the overclocking community. Mac's have been overclocked for a while.

Will you notice the difference with 400MHz faster CPU? Probably not. You'll encode a DVD about 1 minute faster. Save the $2K on something else. More RAM maybe. Or for another computer when this one needs upgrading.

The iMac is a very capable machine anyway. I do a lot of intense work on my machines. I have 9 Desktops at home, 2 servers and 4 laptops. My 17" MackBook Pro has replaced four desktop machines, and it's a 2.33GHz Dual Core. Everything the 4 desktops did is now in a Virtual machine on the MBP. Where did the 4 desktops go that got replaced? Donated to charity.

The iMac form factor is very sexy too.

TROOPER MICK · September 11th, 2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER MICK

my pc has died a nasty virus got through norton and killed it all i get is a black screen when i turn it on can anyone help with how to retrieve files (a shit load of family photos) PLEASE HELP AS THE WIFE IS GONNA KILL ME

ok guys i found the recovery disc that came with the pc and re installed xp ive managed to get all the photos and some of my music off it but i cant access my c:>drive it appears to have vanished. also down in the right hand corner next to the clock i have this message VIRUS ALERT!!! but i have run norton 3 times and it doesnt find any viruses and i get the message cdrive not found. any ideas that may help or should i just dump the pc

thanks in advance for any help

bsercombe · September 11th, 2008, 07:10 AM

That is a serious piece of spyware. Try spybot search and destroy (free) which should identify what it is but may not remove it. Then search the net for solutions to that particular brand of spyware. You could also try combofix because you've just rebuilt the system so it don't matter much if you have to reinstall again.

Lord Tim · September 11th, 2008, 09:39 AM

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/spybotsd/index.html <-- yep, get this.

That virus alert is actually the virus itself, believe it or not. It's tricking you into buying the "full version of the product" that the virus alert is supposedly from.

I'd also junk Norton and get a real virus scanner like AVG, Avast or one of the other ones you can find on the web. Norton is USELESS and a complete system resource hog.

Spikes Red · September 12th, 2008, 12:00 AM

I run AVG and Spybot SD, but neither would remove a nasty little porn link, that attached itself to my system last week. Kept telling me to dl anti-spyware from a link, obviously, I didn't use it.
It wouldn't let me delete it, saying it was being used by other running programs. Ended up having to search for every little file it had attached itself to, and deleting them manually. Nasty little fucker.

My possibly dumbarse question is: I have criminally slow dial-down, (live in a rural area can't do much about it) I am using IE, sometimes it freezes, FF isn't much better, what is Google Chrome like? And would it run with dial-up? Would it be better than the others, or should I wait until it has been around awhile?
Thanks.

Lord Tim · September 12th, 2008, 01:44 AM

Nah, it'd not gonna do much better for your connection speed at all. If your computer is a little slow then it'll likely help because it uses less resources than the other browsers but it won't help your dialup speed (or give the illusion of helping it) very much at all.

Having said that, Chrome is pretty damn good so it's worth giving it a go - you may prefer it and your system just might prefer to run that as compared to the other browsers.

Spikes Red · September 12th, 2008, 01:53 AM

My pc runs well enough, its a dual core with 1gb ram, not brilliant, but does the job.
I might have to give it a go, anything is worth a try.
Might have to go to a friends to dl it though!!!

Thanks for that.

Rick · September 12th, 2008, 04:29 AM

So you wouldn't have the experience of tabs? They are heaven. Well you would, but with Dialup it would be pointless.

September 4th, 2008, 04:05 AM	#1601 (permalink)
Celestial-Todd The Incredible Bulk Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Western Sydney Posts: 10,340	Hmmm... that makes me think, I've never seen anyone bother to overclock a mac either. Probably due to the very "closed" nature of it's hardware/software What exactly where you planning on using the 8-core (I'm assuming a Mac Pro) machine for? I did some calculations before, you could build 4 quad-core machines, each running 8gb of ram for the same price, if not cheaper! __________________ My LiveJournal http://www.myspace.com/livewyreshow Listen to Livewyre, Monday Nights 6pm to 8pm SWR FM 99.9 (in Sydney) or listen online at http://www.swrfm.org/

September 4th, 2008, 07:24 AM	#1603 (permalink)
bsercombe Senile Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,210	Yeppers- buy the best machine you can afford but back from the bleeding edge so you're not paying a useless premium for the latest hardware. Generally, don't bother to upgrade bits'n' pieces unless they break- you're better off saving those dollars for the next machine. Overclocking is fun, but I think that in general unless you already have the gear for advanced cooling you don't want to push the machine much- and the gear for cooling can cost as much as the more expensive (PC) model anyway (though not 2 grand I'm sure!!) __________________ Beg for your life as you're torn from your ivory tower...

September 4th, 2008, 08:29 PM	#1604 (permalink)
pipsqeek Metal Snob Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Behind you Posts: 1,899	I personally wouldn't bother overclocking a mac. The closed nature has nothing to do with it, and that's an old school fact that went away with the dodo many years ago. Mac's have had generic hardware in them for the last 15 years, from HDD's, RAM, Optical drives. The only real issues were motherboards and CPU's because Foxconn wouldn't exactly sell you an Apple motherboard and Motorola wouldn't make their CPU's available off the shelf for consumers. But that didn't stop the overclocking community. Mac's have been overclocked for a while. Will you notice the difference with 400MHz faster CPU? Probably not. You'll encode a DVD about 1 minute faster. Save the $2K on something else. More RAM maybe. Or for another computer when this one needs upgrading. The iMac is a very capable machine anyway. I do a lot of intense work on my machines. I have 9 Desktops at home, 2 servers and 4 laptops. My 17" MackBook Pro has replaced four desktop machines, and it's a 2.33GHz Dual Core. Everything the 4 desktops did is now in a Virtual machine on the MBP. Where did the 4 desktops go that got replaced? Donated to charity. The iMac form factor is very sexy too. __________________ Global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s - http://www.venganza.org/

September 11th, 2008, 07:10 AM	#1606 (permalink)
bsercombe Senile Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,210	That is a serious piece of spyware. Try spybot search and destroy (free) which should identify what it is but may not remove it. Then search the net for solutions to that particular brand of spyware. You could also try combofix because you've just rebuilt the system so it don't matter much if you have to reinstall again. __________________ Beg for your life as you're torn from your ivory tower...

September 11th, 2008, 09:39 AM	#1607 (permalink)
Lord Tim Proud New ESP Endorsee Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wollongong, Australia Posts: 14,682	http://www.safer-networking.org/en/spybotsd/index.html <-- yep, get this. That virus alert is actually the virus itself, believe it or not. It's tricking you into buying the "full version of the product" that the virus alert is supposedly from. I'd also junk Norton and get a real virus scanner like AVG, Avast or one of the other ones you can find on the web. Norton is USELESS and a complete system resource hog. __________________ LORD: website . UM forum . MySpace NEW ALBUM "ASCENDENCE" - OUT NOW IN AUS & JAPAN! Got the hunger but we're wanting more Forever reaching higher Remember what we're fighting for The writing on the wall is Set In Stone

September 12th, 2008, 12:00 AM	#1608 (permalink)
Spikes Red Lost...somewhere Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hell Down Under Posts: 175	I run AVG and Spybot SD, but neither would remove a nasty little porn link, that attached itself to my system last week. Kept telling me to dl anti-spyware from a link, obviously, I didn't use it. It wouldn't let me delete it, saying it was being used by other running programs. Ended up having to search for every little file it had attached itself to, and deleting them manually. Nasty little fucker. My possibly dumbarse question is: I have criminally slow dial-down, (live in a rural area can't do much about it) I am using IE, sometimes it freezes, FF isn't much better, what is Google Chrome like? And would it run with dial-up? Would it be better than the others, or should I wait until it has been around awhile? Thanks.

September 12th, 2008, 01:44 AM	#1609 (permalink)
Lord Tim Proud New ESP Endorsee Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wollongong, Australia Posts: 14,682	Nah, it'd not gonna do much better for your connection speed at all. If your computer is a little slow then it'll likely help because it uses less resources than the other browsers but it won't help your dialup speed (or give the illusion of helping it) very much at all. Having said that, Chrome is pretty damn good so it's worth giving it a go - you may prefer it and your system just might prefer to run that as compared to the other browsers. __________________ LORD: website . UM forum . MySpace NEW ALBUM "ASCENDENCE" - OUT NOW IN AUS & JAPAN! Got the hunger but we're wanting more Forever reaching higher Remember what we're fighting for The writing on the wall is Set In Stone

September 12th, 2008, 01:53 AM	#1610 (permalink)
Spikes Red Lost...somewhere Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hell Down Under Posts: 175	My pc runs well enough, its a dual core with 1gb ram, not brilliant, but does the job. I might have to give it a go, anything is worth a try. Might have to go to a friends to dl it though!!! Thanks for that.

September 12th, 2008, 04:29 AM	#1611 (permalink)
Rick Beaver Is God. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wagga, Australia............ Posts: 4,684	So you wouldn't have the experience of tabs? They are heaven. Well you would, but with Dialup it would be pointless. __________________ "Drugs aren't just done by bad guys and sleaze-bags; it's a universal disease..." - River Pheonix - rip "Using no way; As way." - Bruce Lee - rip "Your gonna die, someone'll kill ya, someone'll kill you with a knife. Make sure you abs.. are ah freakin ripped; you got some good guns, you wanna look good for when you get stabbed by a knife... Sorry that's how it works." - Carl. Last edited by Rick : September 12th, 2008 at 04:32 AM.