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Old October 17th, 2004, 08:56 PM   #326 (permalink)
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Does anyone else think Mark is unfairly biased against Hayley? He has never said anything good about her, and the bullshit "What kind of music do you want to record" line last night was a crock, the albums already fucking done. I dont know how he does it, but I manage to dislike Mark Holden more and more every week.
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Old October 17th, 2004, 09:16 PM   #327 (permalink)
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The album isn't already done spawn. They have songs, but until they find the winner, they don't know which ones they're going to use. Guy's album was done quickly because he can sing just about anything, plus he's also an arranger and a songwriter so he would have gone in with Holden and gone, "Oh, these songs are the ones I'll do". Hayley won't be able to do that. You're suggesting that the album's recorded, just waiting for a vocal track, but that's not the case. If Cosima or Shannon had won last year, the album they recorded would have been different from the one Guy made. The songs are done, probably about 50 or them or more, but the album isn't yet.

In any case, as much as you might dislike Holden as a judge, I think he's the only one of them who has any sense of reality when it comes to this contest. I think he thinks Hayley isn't star material, and if he thinks that, fair enough I say. Dicko didn't like Daniel and Marcia doesn't like Chanel.
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Old October 17th, 2004, 09:22 PM   #328 (permalink)
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The album is done, or do you think they picked the songs, had Guy learn them, played all the instruments, mixed and mastered it all in 6 days? They would have probably done the instrumental tracks for about 20 songs, then when the winners picked, they choose the ones best suited to their voice, or pro tools the key of the instrumental to a better suited one for the performer.

As if any of the people left in AI will have ANY trouble at all singing whatever pop songs they put in front of them. The only one who might struggle would be Chanel. Holden is a moron, plain and simple. A biased one at that, he doesnt like Courtney either and it wouldnt matter how brilliant Courtney or Hayley were, he would say he doesnt "feel" it. Which means he couldnt come up with anything bad to say about their performance, so he picks something intangible.
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Old October 17th, 2004, 09:42 PM   #329 (permalink)
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http://www.crikey.com.au/columnists/...0/12-0010.html

An interesting, if long, article...
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Old October 17th, 2004, 10:52 PM   #330 (permalink)
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The album is done, or do you think they picked the songs, had Guy learn them, played all the instruments, mixed and mastered it all in 6 days?
Yep. How hard could it be? Not that hard at all. These are pop songs, not Dream Theater. The guys they have working on these things can crank out songs and albums in no time. You're probably right about everyone who's left being able to sing whatever's put in front of them, but you're also right about Chanel being a problem. She hasn't really done anything with a mainstream arrangement to date. I'm thinking that unless Courtney wins, this AI winner's album will take a bit longer than six days to do. Anyway, as the article you posted says, hardly any of these wannabes will be still in the public eye in two years. Contests like this are run all the time and the only winning contestants that I can see who have any significant success beyond the contest themselves are a handful of Triple J 'Unearthed' winners like Grinspoon, Killing Heidi and Missy Higgins, silverchair, who were discovered through a contest on SBS, and the Screaming Jets, who won a Triple J comp in the 80s. I'm sure there's a few others that other posters could probably add to the list, but I find it pretty significant that the bands and singers who got somewhere through a radio station contest seem to do much better for longer than the ones like Bardot, Selwyn, Scandal-us, etc. who got their 15 minutes through TV. Then again, even radio winners aren't guaranteed. Triple J has 'unearthed' hundreds of bands now and most disappear almost immediately. Does anyone remember Stealth, Soul Crusher, Liquid, Gravel Samwedge or that band from Kalgoorlie that sounded exactly like You Am I? You may be right spawn. The album may already be done. But it doesn't matter.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 12:46 AM   #331 (permalink)
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Actually, JJJs strike rate with that Unearthed thing was pretty damn good, there may be some forgettable crap from it, but silverchair, The Screaming Jets and Grinspoon all from the one competition is awesome

Even Chanel would do fine probably, with pro tools these days you dont even need to sing in key anymore and they can still fix it! WE CAN ALL BE POPSTARS!
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Old October 18th, 2004, 12:56 AM   #332 (permalink)
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Ere's a hypothetical for ya's!!!! (David Coverdale mode off)

If you actually had a decent voice and had an ok image or whatever, and were offered a recording contract to make a pop album of pre-written material... would you accept it, or would you rather stay true to your metal roots, even if that meant that you will be playing in your bedroom to your cat and 2 birds for the rest of your life.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 01:05 AM   #333 (permalink)
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I would take it! Look at Pink her 1st album was mainly urban/r&b/pop.Now she has had the public at her feet she has gone to her true self. Which people would have seen at her concerts a more rock/hard edged pop.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 01:13 AM   #334 (permalink)
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I will always view Pink as being the one who sang Better get the party started (Or whatever it was called). I wonder if she has actually gained new fans because of the new direction she has taken, or if it is the same fans that were with her when she released the above song, and have just accepted her new direction. I think if you released your first album of Mark Holden penned pop songs, gathered a fan base, and then followed up 'Just as I am' with a metal album... You would neither gain new metal fans, or keep your existing 'pop' fans

Fuck... I had a point burried deep within that dribble.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 01:28 AM   #335 (permalink)
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Id do it, after one album I would then have millions of dollars and could do whatever I wanted! Fuck staying true to metal!
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Old October 18th, 2004, 01:37 AM   #336 (permalink)
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Yep. Thats pretty much my thoughts as well.

Millions of dollars, and sexy women
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Old October 18th, 2004, 01:49 AM   #337 (permalink)
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But the women only want you for your money, leaving you hollow inside, trapped in a cycle of loveless, shallow fornication, with no fulfillment, before you rapidly descend into a drinking problem as the women fleece you for every cent you have, yet when the money is gone, you will ask yourself "Where is the love?" and you will know that there is none, and eventually drink so much you will choke on your own vomit in your mansion. Alone, and remembered by nobody.

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Old October 18th, 2004, 05:29 AM   #338 (permalink)
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Well the bottom three were right, which is good. I bloody wish for Hayley's departure though, she sucks! And Casey deserved to go after last week. Marty was the weakest singer though, and was bound to go sometime.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 05:38 AM   #339 (permalink)
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Does anyone know what the song was they were playing over Marty's video package. It was him singing it obviously, I just don't remember what it was. Soft song. I liked it.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 05:46 AM   #340 (permalink)
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It was that song by Keane, or whatever their name is. He sang it on the Wildcard show.

I can't stand the bloke, but he won me over with his performance tonight. He ROCKED. Everyone seems to be much better when they've been booted off and sing one last time. I almost wish he wasn't going now, but I'm sure I'll get over that pretty quick.




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Old October 18th, 2004, 05:48 AM   #341 (permalink)
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Ta, I should be able to find it now.

Yeah most people do better when they have been booted. Daniel in particular I thought was great the night he went.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 06:03 AM   #342 (permalink)
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Probably because the pressure of the competition has been lifted, they know they can't get voted off anyway!
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Old October 18th, 2004, 09:19 AM   #343 (permalink)
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Actually, JJJs strike rate with that Unearthed thing was pretty damn good, there may be some forgettable crap from it, but silverchair, The Screaming Jets and Grinspoon all from the one competition is awesome
Actually it was three different competitions, and silverchair won a comp. on the Nomad show on SBS. The 'Unearthed' strike rate has been reasonably higher than that of most others like it, but for every Grinspoon they launch, there's ten bands that disappear without trace.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 02:06 PM   #344 (permalink)
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silverchair won a JJJ competition, they were put into a studio to record the ep and had the video for Tomorrow put on Nomad on sbs, that was the prize.

I thought The Screaming Jets and Grinspoon came from the same competition?

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Grinspoon was unearthed, TSJ was a battle of the bands it seems, same shit different name.

THE SCREAMING JETS!
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"Better" is one of the best debut singles ever.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 06:26 PM   #347 (permalink)
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The song is called Somewhere Only We Know by Keane
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Cheers Goosey.

Yes, Better is a great song.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 10:45 PM   #349 (permalink)
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and Dan ruined it in the opening show
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He sure did blow.
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