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anacrucix · July 2nd, 2009, 03:44 AM

That guy has too much technique for words!

thoughts?

anacrucix · July 2nd, 2009, 12:02 PM

i guess i should probably provide linkage haha

myspace

Marwen · July 2nd, 2009, 01:55 PM

Good stuff indeed. I like the slower and the cleaner parts, but I'm not keen on the crazy sweeping stuff and such. Kinda too "messy" for my likings.

Kenneth R. · July 3rd, 2009, 08:03 PM

same here

Meedleyx10 · July 4th, 2009, 08:32 PM

Doesn't really do anything for me. My drummer was going nuts about the cd a while back and I checked it out, but again...just didn't do it for me.

razoredge · July 5th, 2009, 09:31 AM

great abilities... no soul

hexwind · July 6th, 2009, 05:14 AM

What's the point of using techniques and speed of light into playing without putting feelings??

Krondor · July 7th, 2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexwind

What's the point of using techniques and speed of light into playing without putting feelings??

Who are you to say he doesn't have feeling in his playing? You can tell he doesn't put soul into his playing JUST because it's fast? I'm sick of people saying "fast can't have soul" and stuff.. please... if I play 1 note per second it's full of feeling?

The clip sounded horrible btw

CantoX · July 7th, 2009, 02:57 PM

Krondor, its because somehow, its been developed into our brains that a 70bpm, pentatnoic solo with lots of big bends is more emotional than going 240bpm in a phyrigian solo. lol

We had a whole thread about this in the symphony x forums.. I remember... search for it.

Yeah.. this band doesn't do anything for me.

Wander · July 7th, 2009, 03:17 PM

Technically cool, at parts musically cool as well. At other parts, not so much.

razoredge · July 7th, 2009, 05:05 PM

I think whats developed in some of our brains is what sounds like it comes from within and what sounds like its well rehearsed brain gratification... bpm... get serious

Kenneth R. · July 7th, 2009, 06:54 PM

Simply put: think before you act. Put that into this frame of reference, and it becomes obvious why most people think ultrafast = ultraclinical. While "speed" itself is not that big of a factor over an average range, there approaches a limit to which it becomes perceived that the action is instantaneous rather than deliberate. Consider pre-meditated murder vs otherwise. Consider meditation in a general sense.

Speed demons among you: Do not make the idiotic mistake of assuming I condemn fast music. Instead understand the mental forces supporting this common complaint.

anacrucix · July 16th, 2009, 07:55 AM

i would say any of his soloing has any less feeling than say slash's solo on november rain

failure_of_threads · July 18th, 2009, 06:23 PM

i got the cd

its pretty cool, but at some points i thought i was listening to cynic

hexwind · August 4th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krondor

Who are you to say he doesn't have feeling in his playing? You can tell he doesn't put soul into his playing JUST because it's fast? I'm sick of people saying "fast can't have soul" and stuff.. please... if I play 1 note per second it's full of feeling?

The clip sounded horrible btw

I'm Hexwind !

But apparently you got me wrong, what i was saying is, what's the point of that fast playing without making get the feelings of playing, dunno how to explain it properly but ....

Marwen · August 5th, 2009, 08:12 AM

I think Ken put it just the way I look at it, so +1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenneth R.

Simply put: think before you act. Put that into this frame of reference, and it becomes obvious why most people think ultrafast = ultraclinical. While "speed" itself is not that big of a factor over an average range, there approaches a limit to which it becomes perceived that the action is instantaneous rather than deliberate. Consider pre-meditated murder vs otherwise. Consider meditation in a general sense.

Speed demons among you: Do not make the idiotic mistake of assuming I condemn fast music. Instead understand the mental forces supporting this common complaint.

antonis · August 29th, 2009, 09:33 AM

i don't find it technical at all
he's sloppy and messy and i don't like his touch and vibrato (YES VIBRATO IS A TECHNIQUE), it sounds a little out of tune (not wide and fast, just out of tune)

-2pts because he's black (LOL JK)

Postulate · September 21st, 2009, 12:17 AM

I don't like it. I really don't like it. :/

Also, fast music can be emotional. There are some blinding solos in Images in Words that come to mind that are packed with feeling. Just sayin'.

CantoX · September 28th, 2009, 01:30 AM

Please.. Dream Theater.. Emotion?! Somehow those two words just don't go along together in a sentence.

Postulate · September 29th, 2009, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantoX

Please.. Dream Theater.. Emotion?! Somehow those two words just don't go along together in a sentence.

I have three responses to that:

1) When Dream and Day Unite
2) Images and Words
3) Awake

CantoX · October 2nd, 2009, 01:21 AM

You're probably right, but I'll never find out.

mark b · October 2nd, 2009, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Postulate

I have three responses to that:

1) When Dream and Day Unite
2) Images and Words
3) Awake

Thats the big 3, Total feeling.

Postulate · October 2nd, 2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CantoX

You're probably right, but I'll never find out.

You're breaking my heart. ):

CantoX · October 2nd, 2009, 11:48 PM

Just to make you happy I went on youtube to check these songs out. AND HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THIS VIDEO:

I WAS LIKE, HOLY SHIT! THE VOCALS ARE BERABLE. Who is that dude singing with them? Hes awesome. But then labrie came in at the 7th octave and ruined the shit. Honestly the deal breaker for me is the vocals with dream theater. Oh yeah and the whole going into a 10 minute long jam in the middle of the song that doesn't add any value to the song, is pretentious, and just showcases each member wanking on each of their respective instruments.

Postulate · October 4th, 2009, 01:24 PM

Anyway, that's their original singer Charlie Dominici - they did a brief reunion thing with him, I think.

July 2nd, 2009, 03:44 AM	#1 (permalink)
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July 2nd, 2009, 12:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
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July 3rd, 2009, 08:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kenneth R. Autumnstone Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hallways of Always Posts: 16,336	same here __________________ The greatest story leaves you before a door to the dark. felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.

July 5th, 2009, 09:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
razoredge Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,029	great abilities... no soul __________________ into this wild abyss, the womb of nature and perhaps her grave, of neither sea, nor shore, nor air, nor fire... but all these in their pregnant causes mixed confusedly, and which thus must ever fight, unless the almighty maker then ordain his dark materials to create more worlds, into this wild abyss the wary fiend stood on the brink of hell and looked a while, pondering his voyage

July 6th, 2009, 05:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
hexwind Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Psychedelic Planet Posts: 3,665	What's the point of using techniques and speed of light into playing without putting feelings?? __________________ I am just a spectator An advocate documenting the loss Fluttering with conceit This doesn't concern me yet Still far from the knell Opeth Forum Pabulum

July 2nd, 2009, 01:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Marwen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Beyond the Event Horizon Posts: 515	Good stuff indeed. I like the slower and the cleaner parts, but I'm not keen on the crazy sweeping stuff and such. Kinda too "messy" for my likings.

July 4th, 2009, 08:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Meedleyx10 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: I'm omnipresent Posts: 2,518	Doesn't really do anything for me. My drummer was going nuts about the cd a while back and I checked it out, but again...just didn't do it for me.

July 7th, 2009, 02:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
CantoX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuwait Posts: 748	Krondor, its because somehow, its been developed into our brains that a 70bpm, pentatnoic solo with lots of big bends is more emotional than going 240bpm in a phyrigian solo. lol We had a whole thread about this in the symphony x forums.. I remember... search for it. Yeah.. this band doesn't do anything for me. __________________ www.myspace.com/yahguitar www.yahsticks.com

July 7th, 2009, 03:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
Wander 10+2=6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Finland Posts: 1,584	Technically cool, at parts musically cool as well. At other parts, not so much. __________________ Across the sea, through sands of time

July 7th, 2009, 05:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
razoredge Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,029	I think whats developed in some of our brains is what sounds like it comes from within and what sounds like its well rehearsed brain gratification... bpm... get serious __________________ into this wild abyss, the womb of nature and perhaps her grave, of neither sea, nor shore, nor air, nor fire... but all these in their pregnant causes mixed confusedly, and which thus must ever fight, unless the almighty maker then ordain his dark materials to create more worlds, into this wild abyss the wary fiend stood on the brink of hell and looked a while, pondering his voyage

July 7th, 2009, 06:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kenneth R. Autumnstone Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hallways of Always Posts: 16,336	Simply put: think before you act. Put that into this frame of reference, and it becomes obvious why most people think ultrafast = ultraclinical. While "speed" itself is not that big of a factor over an average range, there approaches a limit to which it becomes perceived that the action is instantaneous rather than deliberate. Consider pre-meditated murder vs otherwise. Consider meditation in a general sense. Speed demons among you: Do not make the idiotic mistake of assuming I condemn fast music. Instead understand the mental forces supporting this common complaint. __________________ The greatest story leaves you before a door to the dark. felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.

July 16th, 2009, 07:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
anacrucix aka Shredcaptain Matt Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 560	i would say any of his soloing has any less feeling than say slash's solo on november rain __________________ Click the banner to hear our new cd on myspace now!

August 29th, 2009, 09:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
antonis junior member :D Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 39	i don't find it technical at all he's sloppy and messy and i don't like his touch and vibrato (YES VIBRATO IS A TECHNIQUE), it sounds a little out of tune (not wide and fast, just out of tune) -2pts because he's black (LOL JK)

September 21st, 2009, 12:17 AM	#18 (permalink)
Postulate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 446	I don't like it. I really don't like it. :/ Also, fast music can be emotional. There are some blinding solos in Images in Words that come to mind that are packed with feeling. Just sayin'.

September 28th, 2009, 01:30 AM	#19 (permalink)
CantoX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuwait Posts: 748	Please.. Dream Theater.. Emotion?! Somehow those two words just don't go along together in a sentence. __________________ www.myspace.com/yahguitar www.yahsticks.com

October 2nd, 2009, 01:21 AM	#21 (permalink)
CantoX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuwait Posts: 748	You're probably right, but I'll never find out. __________________ www.myspace.com/yahguitar www.yahsticks.com

October 2nd, 2009, 11:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
CantoX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuwait Posts: 748	Just to make you happy I went on youtube to check these songs out. AND HOLY SHIT LOOK AT THIS VIDEO: I WAS LIKE, HOLY SHIT! THE VOCALS ARE BERABLE. Who is that dude singing with them? Hes awesome. But then labrie came in at the 7th octave and ruined the shit. Honestly the deal breaker for me is the vocals with dream theater. Oh yeah and the whole going into a 10 minute long jam in the middle of the song that doesn't add any value to the song, is pretentious, and just showcases each member wanking on each of their respective instruments. __________________ www.myspace.com/yahguitar www.yahsticks.com Last edited by CantoX : October 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 PM.

October 4th, 2009, 01:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
Postulate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 446	Anyway, that's their original singer Charlie Dominici - they did a brief reunion thing with him, I think.