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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Just heard about it today.

Jason, I've heard the rumors as well. If it is what I think it is, Nightwish will be looking for a new lead singer soon.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Rumours and speculations will spread, but until Anette decides to make her private things public, (don't think so...) those'll be all we ever hear and your guess is as good as mine or anyone else's.

at Belo Horizonte. Looks like the lyrics have become too personal for her to sing?

and about it:
"... our vocalist was not, really not to doing this kind of heavy s**t right now ... so I'm very sorry for that, and for you and for her ... because she's got some very intense trouble right now and we can't really help it... "
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:42 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I agree... No one knows 100%.
Based on rumors I heard, I don't think it means that she necessarily will be booted. I guess we probably all heard various things.....
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Although I don't think it will happen, I REALLY hope she is not booted. Just give it sometime and hopefully a statement will be made. Hope Anette gets better

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Old November 11th, 2008, 09:50 PM   #30 (permalink)
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The pics from Monday's show in Belo Horizonte, Brazil. Courtesy of Nightwish's Brazilian fan club

http://www.nightwishbrasil.com/galer....php?album=216
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Old November 15th, 2008, 12:06 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Can anyone make out what the crowd is chanting after she leaves?
I like them both.
I'm not going to lie, I prefer Tarja, and I was very excited when I found out she's singing NW songs on her solo tour.
But to be honest, I view old and new Nightwish as different bands, both of which I would consider my favourite.
I think that moving onto Anette's vocal style was the wisest thing to do, I think I would've really disliked a new singer with the same style as Tarja purely out of principal.
I like it when Anette sings some old NW songs, like Dark Chest of Wonders, but others I really wish she wouldn't do, like Ever Dream (although I know alot of people disagree with that...) and Nemo.

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Old November 15th, 2008, 04:02 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I've seen several clips about her leaving the stage on Youtube and other websites. The fans start chanting A-net-te, A-net-te, A-net-te...

Also, there definitely can be seen huge cloud of chemical smoke (CO2 smoke is cold, it floats on the floor) blown to the stage behind and above her from right side of the view just when she starts singing the last verses, but it's just maybe the last straw to the burden, whatever it was. Since then she has performed two shows without any visible problems any more. Must have been a bad day witha combination of issues, it happens.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 08:55 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I didn't find any topic to introduce myself, so here it is.

Hi, this is my first post here. I used to visit the very old OSA and sometimes post there (I even used to chat a lot with a member on msn about different NW-related conspirational theories ), but that has been for quite some years now. Luckily I've rediscovered this board again. I'll start off with some ranting.

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NIGHTWISH Singer ANETTE OLZON Explains Decision To Hire Personal Manager

Ech. People are so ignorant in the comments.

"There is also the fact that King Foo has worked with the NIGHTWISH guys for ten years and is therefore more at their service."

The history repeats itself part is not interesting because Anette does hire a manager, but because of the fact that she needs one, otherwise King Foo doesn't care. What's this differerncing inside the band, that just sounds ridiculous. Seems that Ewo and the guys still haven't learned that unless they're gonna go "only Marco" they will need to give their singer proper food, sleep, etc, unless she'll go mute and/or perform badly. Anette's constant breakdowns and sicknesses are proving me that Tarja's requests were really not because of being a diva, but because she knows herself and how singing works.

I see this whole clothing thing as a cover story for many other fights. Clothes can't be this big issue, and Anette has stated earlier that even quitting was an option for her. No singer can be on the road with 4 drunken Finns who party all night AND able to sing the next day. However metal and cool it is, it's impossible! How on Earth did they think that Miss No Eperience can beat off a pro classical singer when it comes to saving your voice on tour? I feel that the only thing they wanted is a whatever medicore beginner with a nice personality who will sign whatever contracts they want, do as much concerts they want, no matter if that means losing performance quality.

I feel sorry for Anette and kinda hate King Foo now. And if I would be her, I'd hit a vocal coach to get some extra support fo these big tours. She obviously doesn't have such a strong voice.

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^Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, that she needs a vocal coach of some kind so she can keep up with the demanding touring schedule of Nightwish.
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I'd totally agree with the vocal coach idea.

And about Anette... her voice isn't unique at all, it sounds like lots of other singers. But it *is* a very sweet, calming voice, and it's growing on me. I doubt any problems will make her quit Nightwish, and from what I see the rest of the tour is good to go.
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I definitely agree there; Anette is not the most unique singer in the world, but her voice grew on me like a fungus.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 10:17 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I hope with their next album they will do a couple soft songs where she can just sing softly and sweetly; I enjoy her when she goes louder and pushes a bit, but I LOVE her soft sweet sound that we got to hear in "The Heart I Once Had". That is her greatest strength, I believe. A sweet, innocent, lovely voice in those softer parts!
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Absolutely; that was the one thing I missed on DPP, were the lack of "classic" Nightwish ballads. Yeah, "Eva" and "Meadows" were/are great songs, but it's apparent that because the songs were written before a singer was chosen, that Tuomas appeared to keep it heavy (because no matter what kind of voice she might have had, songs like "7 Days" or "Bye Bye Beautiful" could be pulled off by nearly anyone). So now that he knows Anette's voice and her range, I hope that we will hear more ballads featuring the more emotional side of her voice.
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I think THIOH perhaps gives the best show of what Annette can muster. Oddly my favorite song on the CD for her voice and have not seen any indication it was performed on tour.

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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #40 (permalink)
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I think some people are being a bit unfair.

1) Anette had never toured beyond Sweden before joining Nightwish. Now she's on the road for 2 years, circling the globe multiple times. Let's see how any musician would hold up, especially an operatic style singer.

2) Her meltdown in Brazil was rumored to be because she is getting a divorce and may lose custody of her kid because she's on the road so much.

3) As C notes, DPP was written before she was hired. In fact, much of it was done before they hired her, which was a mistake because they didn't know the range of the new singer before composing the songs. She had to fit herself to the songs, instead of the other way around.

4) If anyone needs to get some shit out of their system it's Tuomas. Even Van Halen didn't put two fuck-you songs to an ex singer on subsequent albums after Roth and Hagar were fired. His letter to Tarja was full of regret, but 'Bye Bye Beautiful' and 'Master Passion Greed' were just plain obnoxious, especially for a guy who's so obsessed with childhood innocence. Maybe he needs another trip to Disneyland.

A LOT is being asked of this woman, more than Tim Owens and Blayze Bailey had to put up with. Quite frankly I'm impressed she hasn't gone totally nuclear yet.
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1) Anette had never toured beyond Sweden before joining Nightwish. Now she's on the road for 2 years, circling the globe multiple times. Let's see how any musician would hold up, especially an operatic style singer.
Absolutely, this is one of the differences of opinion between Nightwish and Tarja that was stated in the open letter; they wanted to do more shows, she didn't (because she probably couldn't).

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2) Her meltdown in Brazil was rumored to be because she is getting a divorce and may lose custody of her kid because she's on the road so much.
Well, whatever the reasons are, it's like I said over at Nightwish forum, everyone has their breaking points, everyone has their moments where they can't take another moment of bullsh*t. Whatever it may have been, Anette obviously had a moment like that.

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3) As C notes, DPP was written before she was hired. In fact, much of it was done before they hired her, which was a mistake because they didn't know the range of the new singer before composing the songs. She had to fit herself to the songs, instead of the other way around.
True, but I was reading an interview with Tuomas around the time Anette was announced, and he said that all along the other people who sent in demo tapes were "competing" against Anette, so I wonder if some of the songs written during that period did not have her in mind even a little bit, if this statement is true.

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4) If anyone needs to get some shit out of their system it's Tuomas. Even Van Halen didn't put two fuck-you songs to an ex singer on subsequent albums after Roth and Hagar were fired. His letter to Tarja was full of regret, but 'Bye Bye Beautiful' and 'Master Passion Greed' were just plain obnoxious, especially for a guy who's so obsessed with childhood innocence. Maybe he needs another trip to Disneyland.
Well, one difference between Tuomas and, say, EVH as songwriters, is that Van Halen has never prided themselves on being a band who writes lyrics about deep emotions. Honestly, I think if EVH had written a song or two saying "f*ck you Sammy and Dave, you're jerks", he might be a lot better off than he is nowadays, which is erasing past members off of old album covers, calling one singer back after he tires of the other, etc.

Not that I'm trying to defend Tuomas by any means, since they are not my lyrics, but he has said many times that his lyrics are like "pages from his diary", so naturally he is going to be more vocal about his inner feelings in his lyrics than a songwriter who wants to focus more on writing songs about drinking and screwing chicks (not that Tuomas does not have lyrics that point at those subjects from time to time). Now, if the next album still had lyrics referring to Tarja and Marcelo or that incident, then I would really have to wonder what the hell was wrong with him. But seeing as how that incident was going on and was still fresh at the time he was writing it, it didn't surprise me that those kind of lyrics ended up being on the album.

A side note, this reminds me of the argument we had at the old OSA board back before Anette was even named as singer, all the people who swore up and down that Tuomas was so "above" writing about the split between Nightwish and Tarja...I sometimes wonder what those people especially thought of the lyrics of "Master Passion Greed" or "Bye Bye Beautiful".

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Oh yeah, in fact, I'm sure it's a lot of the same people who cried to give those guys a chance who are the hardest on Anette. But we all know that a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's a woman. Much as I hate to use the sexist card, it's a fact of life, there are still many sexist people in the world, even among those who are tolerant of a female voice in metal.
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Absolutely, this is one of the differences of opinion between Nightwish and Tarja that was stated in the open letter; they wanted to do more shows, she didn't (because she probably couldn't).
And Tarja didn't help by literally sabotaging tours. I only flipped through 'Once Upon a Nightwish,' but it looks like they were all set up to do a US tour after the success of 'Once' and she and her husband scuttled it. That was the last straw.

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True, but I was reading an interview with Tuomas around the time Anette was announced, and he said that all along the other people who sent in demo tapes were "competing" against Anette, so I wonder if some of the songs written during that period did not have her in mind even a little bit, if this statement is true.
I'd kill to know who the serious contenders were. The more I listen to Floor Jansen the more I wonder how she could handle NW songs. Tuomas will never say, so it more or less depends on the singer to come forward. I know the final decision came down to Anette or one other girl. I'd love to know who it was.

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Now, if the next album still had lyrics referring to Tarja and Marcelo or that incident, then I would really have to wonder what the hell was wrong with him.
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Oh yeah, in fact, I'm sure it's a lot of the same people who cried to give those guys a chance who are the hardest on Anette. But we all know that a lot of it has to do with the fact that she's a woman. Much as I hate to use the sexist card, it's a fact of life, there are still many sexist people in the world, even among those who are tolerant of a female voice in metal.
Ah come on, don't go playing the gender card.
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And Tarja didn't help by literally sabotaging tours. I only flipped through 'Once Upon a Nightwish,' but it looks like they were all set up to do a US tour after the success of 'Once' and she and her husband scuttled it. That was the last straw.
Yeah, pretty much. And I think that's why a lot of fans have this sort of bitterness towards her, even now, because for all the kicking and screaming she did about not wanting to come to the U.S. because of the small venues, what is she doing now? Touring the U.S., at the very same venues she didn't want to deal with when she was in Nightwish.

I just finished reading that book a couple weeks ago, and as far as Tarja snubbing her American audience goes, there was nothing in there that surprised me.

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I'd kill to know who the serious contenders were. The more I listen to Floor Jansen the more I wonder how she could handle NW songs. Tuomas will never say, so it more or less depends on the singer to come forward. I know the final decision came down to Anette or one other girl. I'd love to know who it was.
Well, I doubt Tuomas would ever say simply out of respect to who he didn't pick. I mean, could you imagine the blow to that girl's ego? (Well, unless it was someone already well-known, like Floor or Vibeke or someone like that.)

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Oh no, I'm not a feminist by any means. And I certainly don't think it's the only reason that people are being unfair to Anette. I do think it's a reason for some folks, but not everyone. And certainly not a large percentage.
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Hi there! New to this forum but not to the band. Is there any word on whether Anette will "be back" or not?

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I didn't know she went anywhere.

Seriously though, I don't think Anette was ever fired or left the band. Those were just rumors going around. Funny, the gig in Brazil happened nearly 6 months ago and people are still circulating these rumors around.

Check out our newly-launched website to read up on the current Nightwish news (link is the second banner in my sig). The only "news" in there that is not factual or confirmed by the band's official site is our little April Fool's joke from a few days ago.

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I'd kill to know who the serious contenders were. The more I listen to Floor Jansen the more I wonder how she could handle NW songs. Tuomas will never say, so it more or less depends on the singer to come forward. I know the final decision came down to Anette or one other girl. I'd love to know who it was.
I don't think any other big metal singers applied or were a contender out of respect for Tarja (I can't help but feel it would be pretty embarrassing for her if their new singer was preferred by the majority).
At least that's how my naive everyone is bffs mentality works.
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I realize I'm probably not adding anything new to this thread, however, Anette and Tarja are two different people with different vocal styles and, ultimately, they're both masters of their own craft; I think comparing one to the other is silly and, ultimately, leads to a lot of wasted energy that could be used towards other more useful (and better) things!

For me personally, I think Dark Passion Play is the best Nightwish record yet although, admittedly, that is more-so because of the compositions, melodies, instrumentation, lyrics, etc. - however! - Anette absolutely plays a large part in that likeness, too!
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