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[SouthernTrendkill]

Originally Posted by Unfaithfully Metalhead

Then we should call Motorhead Rock music instead since they use the words "rock" alot and have alot of "rock" elements as well... like pentatonic scale usage, the word "rock" etc... AC/DC is a fine line between metal and rock and to me they are metal... perhaps for you guys you can call it hard rock with metal leanings or elements... but i grew up in their heyday and EVERY single AC/DC fan was a metal fan and not a hard rock fan per say or very few were and ALL in those days considered them metal.. not extreme metal but just metal... they sang metal anthems imo is what i call it...

Yeah, I consider Motorhead rock as well.

[Satanstoenail]

Originally Posted by SouthernTrendkill

Yeah, I consider Motorhead rock as well.

Same here. Motorhead were considered Thrash Metal for years, until the genres became more clearly defined. Just because AC/DC were considered metal back in the 70s doesn't mean that it's still applicable today, and I was there as well, so please don't pull the "you are young so you don't understand" card on me. People also called Kiss metal back then, does that still apply?

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Originally Posted by Satanstoenail

Same here. Motorhead were considered Thrash Metal for years, until the genres became more clearly defined. Just because AC/DC were considered metal back in the 70s doesn't mean that it's still applicable today, and I was there as well, so please don't pull the "you are young so you don't understand" card on me. People also called Kiss metal back then, does that still apply?

I wouldn't call it defined... I would call it evolved... all music evolves or else it becomes very boring and dies out... But that doesn't make the original bands not metal to begin with... So sorry but i don't buy the ole Metal (or whatever genre) has outgrown their originators, innovators, forefathers (whatever you want to call them) so they are not metal (or whatever genre)anymore because the present form of the genre is heavier or different etc.

Obviously the "young card" was not aimed at ole folgies like you and me... but you have to admit that unless you live that era and how things were they cannot say for a fact how things were... like me... i cannot say anything about the 60's other then what i hear or see on footage or any other era...

And not many people (none of my metalhead friends did back then nor now) described KISS as metal back then imo other then the media because of KISS's image, especially Gene Simmons costume. To me they were always what their music suggested, Glam (perhaps hard) rock...

With AC/DC it wasn't just the media that called them Metal but all their fans at the time did... Every Maiden/Priest/Sabbath metal fan that i knew in those days were also AC/DC fans and never considered themselves hard rock fans and did consider them Metal... they had the image and their music imo were heavy enough... Heavy Riffs, Heavy solos (do not have to be a speed freak on lead guitar to be considered metal, Tony Iommi falls in this category as well about his leads), Heavy Image and themes etc... They were not like any other hard rock band (Led Zep, Foreigner,Aerosmith etc.)... Did they have blues influences? yes but so did Iommi as well as Jazz which he admits... Did they have rock influences? yes so did other "metal" bands of the era and they admit it as well... Metal is a genre of many different influences... that is what makes it unique imo to other genre's... it needs to evolve but we shouldn't forget the first wave nor reclassify them because without them Metal perhaps wouldn't be here today....

P.S. All this applies to Motorhead as well... they are Thrash to me with rock overtones... AC/DC is at the very least a Metal band with rock/blues overtones or a Hard Rock band with metal overtones (think the song Hell's Bell's and other songs)... What AC/DC, Alice Cooper, Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister etc. were all Metal bands but imo what their songs are classified Metal "Anthems"... just REGULAR metal bands... people need to stop comparing bands to Extreme Metal only... Someday years from now your favorite "metal" bands of today won't be considered "metal" by future generations and you'll be having this same debate with them... remember my words if you do...

Btw Satantoe, thanks for at least admitting AC/DC were considered metal in those days... regardless of your opinion about them now...

[razoredge]

OO... shodnail was there ! bahahahaha

seriously, I dont recall Kiss being called metal because I dont recall the term that early on. Possibly not in the early days of AC/DC either but around that time. Still thats around here, I have no idea what they were calling things in England or the urban areas at that time.

My feelings on this subject is just because music changed, metal in this example does not make bands that were metal bands no longer metal bands. Metal was more than just about the music, it was an attitude and perhaps a lifestyle of the youth in the early days. In essence hardrock became metal and you didnt even hear the term "hardrock" for quite a while. Today we have alot of youngsters that knowitall because it comes natural... trying to say the old metal bands were not really metal. I have even heard this regarding bands such as Maiden and Queensryche. Granted Queensryche moved away from full blown metal as they matured but they still started as a metal band and maintained elements of metal in their music. Point being people need to stop trying to rewrite history and deal with THE FACTS... and that is at one time metal bands still knew how to rock. Hardrock evolved into metal and many bands applied elements from "blues" and elements of "metal" and they.... rocked, but somewhere in there it became called metal because it fit the whole atmosphere of the thing. Abrasive distorted guitars, smashing crashing cymbols, pounding drums and raw vocals.... wow... sounds like hardrock

AC/DC, VanHalen, Scorpions, Kiss(yikes and fading) were all instrumental of the changing sound in the late 70's. They were the new guard as bands like Zep, Purple, Heep were comming to an end, falling apart, in limbo, or having identity crisis. These new bands were the sound of the times, the sound of the youth at that time and they started using the term "metal" regularly.

Its all rock anyhow, 3-5 people with guitars, basses, drums, maybe a keyboard and a screamer and they rock, either you love it or you dont

[XSASweet]

haha, sorry for going on topic :P

[SouthernTrendkill]

I know old dudes who consider Queen heavy metal. Say what you will but I'll never be able to honestly consider that stuff metal. I just think it has a completely different dynamic.

And when there comes a day when Pantera and Burzum and Disgorge can no longer be called metal... that'll be the happiest day of my life. A metal genre that has evolved beyond that must be a pretty amazing thing. I'm never going to be arguing with anybody "Hey, Pantera still counts, you weren't THERE, man." It's the exact same way with rock music. Some people choose to throw Jerry Lee Lewis and Bill Haley in with Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith, but most people make a distinction between what is called "Rockabilly" or "Rock N Roll" and what is called "Rock" or "Rock music". Just because those early innovators invented the term and inspired the future style, that doesn't change the fact that there is a serious divergence between the original "rock" sound and what "rock" later became; which is what it is considered to be today.

peace & love, ya'll.

[ramses]

I think those bands will always be metel. Remember.....about every 15-20 years, musical genres/styles get recycled. Just think of the fact that many gothic,death metal, and Black metal bands are very influenced by 80's new wave and Goth, and how they incorporate and infuse it into their songs. We've already had Death Metal go retro twice in the last 20 years, some of the newer DM bands take it, and do a 90-degree turn with it. And the first(1950's) rock bands....some country bands, have taken that sound, and then of course so have those "rockabilly" bands.

[Satanstoenail]

Good post Trendkill.

Unfaithfully & gayzoredge (see what I did there hur hur hurr): You guys are basically living in the past. Metal has evolved yes, and the music AC/DC play is what became known as Hard Rock, it's as simple as that. The music Black Sabbath made back then is what metal evolved from. Yes Sabbath had their blues parts as well, but it was the dark riffs that influenced generations of metalheads. AC/DC play blues based rock music, there is no dark heavy riffing there at all. The only example brought up so far of a dark AC/DC tune is Hell's Bells, and it's hardly comparable to Symptom of the Universe, War Pigs, or Into the Void. It's still very much a rock tune.

And as far as people not considering Bathory Black Metal in the future, it's possible I guess, but unlikely. Black Metal is now well and truly defined as a genre, and Bathory are hailed as one of the originators, much like Sabbath.

[SiMuLaCrUm]

Pink Floyd-Meddle. One of my favourite album arts. Supposedly it is an ear underwater...

[Einherjar86]

Amazing album. My favorite Floyd record.